Post by: Swannie on April 17, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
Swannie
Post by: GUEY on April 17, 2015, 09:45:32 AM
Being honest though, I find it easier taking a couple of the disposable cartridge stoves.
Post by: Bird on April 17, 2015, 10:06:19 AM
There are better options.
Post by: paceman on April 17, 2015, 10:17:06 AM
Hi Guys, I did a quick search and seen a couple of posts on these. So for the swaggers that have one are they any good? Rays has them on special at the moment
Swannie
do you really need the duel fuel?
i would be more likely to get the cheaper coleman instastart and then stock up on a few coleman disposable fuel canisters, if you need a separate fuel option...
Post by: D4D on April 17, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
Post by: UIZ733 on April 17, 2015, 10:27:30 AM
Post by: D4D on April 17, 2015, 10:30:41 AM
Post by: UIZ733 on April 17, 2015, 10:37:43 AM
I just checked the Rays price and that is a ripper deal, can't go wrong with that.Agreed. That is an excellent price.
Post by: GUEY on April 17, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
I have one and it is awesome, it gets very hot and is not as susceptible to wind as the butane/gas stoves. It is also more reliable from a heat perspective in the cold. The butane bottles will freeze and be inefficient. Cold spag bol in the High Country in winter is not a good look. That said you do need to carry fuel around, I use a 1L Sigg/Primus fuel bottle with the Coleman fuel. It is also bigger than the equivalent gas/butane stove. I might get mine out this weekend and give it a clean/check.
Have suffered with the butane getting cold up here in Sunny warm Qld, so I could imagine Vic high country would be fun in Winter ???.
We loved ours when we first started camping as a couple as we had the dual fuel lantern also. Didn't have to worry about carting gas around etc. Plus having the fuel handy (shellite at the time) we never had any dramas getting a fire going even with wet timber ;D
We purchase that 22 years ago and I have only ever had one seal perish, so has been very maintenance free. As Bird said though, there are better options on the market these days.
Post by: paceman on April 17, 2015, 10:42:17 AM
I have one and it is awesome, it gets very hot and is not as susceptible to wind as the butane/propane stoves. It is also more reliable from a heat perspective in the cold. The propane/butane bottles will freeze and be inefficient. Cold spag bol in the High Country in winter is not a good look. That said you do need to carry fuel around, I use a 1L Sigg/Primus fuel bottle with the Coleman fuel. It is also bigger than the equivalent gas/butane stove. I might get mine out this weekend and give it a clean/check.
how long would 1L of fuel last, when using one of these? a few days of camping? a week?
not requiring a gas bottle is intriguing. i was mistakenly under the impression that these were a gas and fuel combination, not coleman fuel and unleaded fuel...
Post by: GUEY on April 17, 2015, 10:44:49 AM
how long would 1L of fuel last, when using one of these? a few days of camping? a week?
not requiring a gas bottle is intriguing. i was mistakenly under the impression that these were a gas and fuel combination, not coleman fuel and unleaded fuel...
Shellite/Coleman fuel or unleaded. Can't remember tank size but it used to last 3 - 4 days using for breakfast and dinner with a kettle boil thrown in here and there. Just used to take an extra liter to fill up when necessary.
Post by: Swannie on April 17, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Swannie
Post by: D4D on April 17, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
how long would 1L of fuel last, when using one of these? a few days of camping? a week?
I haven't used mine for a while, from memory you'd easily get a weekend of using it for breakfast and dinner out of the included fuel tank. Really depends on how many burners you have running, how hot you have it and how long you run it for.
not requiring a gas bottle is intriguing. i was mistakenly under the impression that these were a gas and fuel combination, not coleman fuel and unleaded fuel...
If you carry a chainsaw then you're already carrying spare unleaded so nothing extra to carry.
Post by: D4D on April 17, 2015, 10:49:28 AM
Plus I love buying more camping stuff :)
That's the exact reason I bought an Oztent the other week :)
Post by: paceman on April 17, 2015, 10:59:40 AM
I haven't used mine for a while, from memory you'd easily get a weekend of using it for breakfast and dinner out of the included fuel tank. Really depends on how many burners you have running, how hot you have it and how long you run it for.
If you carry a chainsaw then you're already carrying spare unleaded so nothing extra to carry.
i don't carry a chainsaw as yet, but that also is a good point...
Post by: plusnq on April 17, 2015, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: BUNDY on April 17, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
Thought i would share my experiences with this cooker with you i bought my first one of these back in 1994 after a 3 month trip and having to clean out jets and gauses in my twin burner gas stove ( contaminated gas)
I still have the two burner and 99% of the time use unleaded fuel the occasional tank of shelite to burn carbon build up i have never had anything brake on it they are well made and can take a beating as said by others when using both burners u loose a slight bit of performance but will still work and do the job in my opinion it boils and cooks quicker than gas is simple to set up and use( you dont need to pump it every time you use it like most do).
As i do most off my cooking on the camp fire and single burner cannister ones while on the tracks this is more used around camp and when it decides to rain half way through cooking a meal.
About 4 years ago i bought another one as it was an offer i could not refuse they normally sell from 250 to 300 so that price at rays is a steal as for how long the 1 litre will last i have never really taken any notice normally just fill b4 i go away if its a longer trip just fill as needed even at a sevo with funnel provided or bottle of shellite.....
Anyway enough ranting from me hope this gives you and others some use full info..
Cheers :cheers:
BUNDY
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 17, 2015, 11:53:50 AM
If you carry a chainsaw then you're already carrying spare unleaded so nothing extra to carry.
Does the 2 stroke still burn as well or is the oil a problem?
GG
Post by: D4D on April 17, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
Does the 2 stroke still burn as well or is the oil a problem?
I store my spare fuel unmixed so no oil issue. I'd imagine oil would be a problem.
Post by: dazzler on April 17, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
These things are HOT!
Ours lives in the expanda for non weber days.....
Though backing up what Bird says I think there are better options. This is mine;
http://www.raysoutdoors.com.au/online-store/products/Coleman-Eventemp-3-Burner-Gas-Stove-with-Griddle.aspx?pid=363210#Recommendations (http://www.raysoutdoors.com.au/online-store/products/Coleman-Eventemp-3-Burner-Gas-Stove-with-Griddle.aspx?pid=363210#Recommendations)
Post by: Humphreythebear on April 17, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
They are great , have recently only run mine on shellite and its a lot hotter and cleaner - minimal sooting on the pots etc . Have just replaced the pump on mine .....cost $12.00 .
So for something that cost me $200in 1987 , I reckon I,ve got my moneys worth ! !
Post by: cyberess on April 17, 2015, 11:05:26 PM
I thought I better to include the image off the Colman website, as people who see me using the stove often have never seen one :)
(http://r1.coleman.com/ProductImages/Full/414-700_500.jpg)
I have ever only used unleaded petrol in mine
Good points:
- Run on Petrol and you can get petrl anywhere.
- I like the wind guard setup
- packs away nicely
- Does not seem to use much fuel, the tank seems to last
- No gas bottle
- seems to be quite easy to control the heat from very high to a low burn
- No auto ignition -- need a match or a gas lighter
- When first lighting the stove it needs to heat up, and if you start to cook to quick you will have black soot on you kettle or saucepan
- Smells like a petrol stove
- Needs a pump up before you start.
I like the stove but some might think it's a bit primitive ..
:cheers:
Post by: GeoffA on April 18, 2015, 07:42:21 AM
I'm sure they're a great cooker, but they're very bulky. Storage may or may not be an issue for you, but I'd reckon they'd need to have the fuel drained to be stored/carried in any position other than base down.
We use an earlier version of this one, but with a 2kg gas bottle:
http://www.raysoutdoors.com.au/online-store/products/Coleman-Triton-2-Burner-Instastart-Gas-Stove.aspx?pid=363209#Recommendations (http://www.raysoutdoors.com.au/online-store/products/Coleman-Triton-2-Burner-Instastart-Gas-Stove.aspx?pid=363209#Recommendations)
The hotplate from the U-bute 2 burner propane stove fits like a bought one.
Rays price for the dual fuel job looks very nice. :cup:
:cheers:
Geoff
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 07:47:39 AM
Swannie
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 08:01:48 AM
Just as well I did as it looks like the o-ring has perished in the fuel valve as it is leaking a bit under pressure. Just as well I can get parts and it is not a throw away item :)
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/cdfs.jpg)
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 08:15:36 AM
The only thing I would suggest for travelling or storage is let the pressure out of the tank.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/4518862b5f29bd26434e69dce1c23428.jpg)
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 08:15:46 AM
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 08:16:38 AM
Swannie
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 08:19:01 AM
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 08:19:41 AM
Hasn't been used for ages, all I did was wipe the dust and cobwebs off, gave it some fuel, followed the lighting instructions and away it went :cup:
Just as well I did as it looks like the o-ring has perished in the fuel valve as it is leaking a bit under pressure. Just as well I can get parts and it is not a throw away item :)
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/cdfs.jpg)
Try tightening it up a little. Mine did the same and all good now.
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
Just one more question,mare you guys running unleaded, shelllite or the Coleman fuel in them?I only used to run shellite (cheaper) but no one around home seems to sell it anymore.
So I ended up using the Coleman fuel. Was more for the lantern as it gave it a much brighter light.
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
Swannie, I run Coleman fuel. I've had the tin of fuel as long as I have had the stove, 15+ years. The tin is almost empty.
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
I noticed yours is a 424 model,meet the one rays is selling is a 414, I wonder what the difference is?
I think the burners are a different power output.
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
Thanks Guey, what am I tightening up? I may have had too much pressure in the tank.
Swannie, I run Coleman fuel. I've had the tin of fuel as long as I have had the stove, 15+ years. The tin is almost empty.
The two with the red arrows. Just nip them up slightly.
Their is a seal inside where I marked the yellow arrow but you should get extra tightening out of it.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/f41ea659bed70245700685c6cebc03b3.jpg)
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 08:46:15 AM
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 08:56:38 AM
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
(http://blkmav.com/myswag/cdfs1.jpg)
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 04:06:12 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/3bc84c30b0d2478d3201a5c93731cb0d.jpg)
You will see the seal inside. It is like a long graphite seal.
Once this is off you can undo and slide the needle out. You need to unscrew it by turning it to the left ( like turning it on ).
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/66a33a97df67ecd0c85842d3b3c726b5.jpg)
Close up of the needle base. This also has a brass washer on it.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/868847bc7d6dc18883d4eb77bb189ba9.jpg)
Front pic of where the needle seats. This is where part of the seal gets gummed up.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/17/69847fb32663e75514db58c69b366b09.jpg)
Clean it up, reassemble nipping it up tight and bob should be your sister with no more leaks :)
Note: when you put the front sealing nut back on and tighten, have the on/off knob half to three quarters open as the sealing nut will want to tighten the needle as it goes.
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
Swannie
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
Post by: edz on April 18, 2015, 04:56:26 PM
cheers .
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 05:11:57 PM
... and any fitment for screw in legs ?
Nope but they fit fine on those cheapo strove stands.
Post by: cyberess on April 18, 2015, 05:17:07 PM
Hey Geoff, plenty of room in Frankie :). But you make a good point re the fuel and storage/traveling with it for the blokes that have one do you drain it before traveling?
Swannie
Nope -- I actually fill the tank of the cooker before I travel ;D I actually use the tank of the cooker for the fuel storage -- lasted all Easter -- Still quite full, maybe I didn't cook enough.
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Guey can I ask how far apart the three burners would be ... Would it fit a 300mm frying pan and two meduim large saucepans on at the same time ? and any fitment for screw in legs ?.The 3 burner is 720mm oa.
cheers .
From left side to centre of left burner is 120mm. Then 235mm centre to centre of the other burners.
Not sure if you can still buy them anymore.
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 05:42:42 PM
Where did you get the Coleman Fuel from? I need another tin but can't find it anywhere...
I have asked today around and they say it's not made anymore and to use shelllite?
Swannie
Post by: Tim - Stratford on April 18, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
... you make a good point re the fuel and storage/traveling with it for the blokes that have one do you drain it before traveling?
I haven't had a problem with leaking fuel whilst travelling. Upright, sideways, end on - no worries. I did have a similar problem to Jamie with leakage under pressure - Rays etc have a heap of spare parts and it was fixed up in no time. Great in the Alpine environs when those 'dangerous' cookers become safe....as they won't light/go... ;D
I don't use unleaded unless I have to - just run shellite with a cap full of metho mixed in as an anti water agent.
Tim
Post by: GUEY on April 18, 2015, 05:48:52 PM
I have asked today around and they say it's not made anymore and to use shelllite?
Could be a state thing? I can get Coleman fuel from the camping stores but can't seem to find shellite anymore.
Tentworld is showing as unavailable on their website now, but they had it on the shelf today.
Swannie
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 05:51:43 PM
Swannie
Post by: jwb on April 18, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
I really want to use the Coleman fuel, hmmmmm.
Swannie
Cough - Swagmail - Cough!
Post by: Swannie on April 18, 2015, 05:59:08 PM
Cough - Swagmail - Cough!
Mate,nib travel around a bit, but don't think I can get it on a plane
Swannie
Post by: D4D on April 18, 2015, 06:13:55 PM
I have asked today around and they say it's not made anymore and to use shelllite?
It is still listed on the Coleman AU web site...
http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/product/coleman-fuel-378l/1362763 (http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/product/coleman-fuel-378l/1362763)
Post by: edz on April 18, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
The 3 burner is 720mm oa.Thank you muchly for that ..
From left side to centre of left burner is 120mm. Then 235mm centre to centre of the other burners.
Not sure if you can still buy them anymore.
Post by: ahumbert on April 19, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
I can confirm it is still available though hard to find. They were selling cans of it for $25 at the Sydney Caravan and Camping show this week. Can't remember which one of the stores had it.
The difference between the 424 model and the 414 model is that the 424 model is physically much smaller than the 414 model which is an advantage if space is at a premium. I suspect however that the 424 model is currently not available in Australia as it is not listed on the Coleman web site.
Regards
Allan
Post by: Bird on May 03, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
We suggest that if you are storing your appliance for more than two weeks, pour as much fuel as possible from the tank back into the fuel can. Emptying most of the fuel from the tank through the filler hole is usually sufficient . This will help reduce the build-up of lacquer. In order to totally empty the fuel tank, you will need to run the lantern or stove until the tank is empty and burned dry. Then, pump up the tank and store under pressure. This will help to keep the fuel lines clear
Post by: Tim - Stratford on May 17, 2015, 11:06:21 PM
Coleman Dual Fuel Stove - 2 Burner
Was: $279.00 each
Now: $100.00 ends 20/05/15
Sarah
Post by: Swannie on May 18, 2015, 07:04:29 AM
http://m.raysoutdoors.com.au/Product/Coleman-Dual-Fuel-Stove-2-Burner/300410?menuFrom=1022307 (http://m.raysoutdoors.com.au/Product/Coleman-Dual-Fuel-Stove-2-Burner/300410?menuFrom=1022307)
Coleman Dual Fuel Stove - 2 Burner
Was: $279.00 each
Now: $100.00 ends 20/05/15
Sarah
Damn that's cheap!
I got mine for $160 and that was the lowest I'd ever seen it
Swannie
Post by: dales133 on May 18, 2015, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: Swannie on May 18, 2015, 09:24:48 AM
Swannie
Post by: D4D on May 18, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Post by: cyberess on May 18, 2015, 09:59:28 AM
Post by: dales133 on May 18, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Post by: Swannie on May 18, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Just joined the ranks of the petrol sniffers
:cup:
Post by: dales133 on May 18, 2015, 04:27:47 PM
Post by: Swannie on May 18, 2015, 04:46:11 PM
swannie
Post by: GUEY on May 18, 2015, 05:06:15 PM
I rang rays and told them in no uncertain terms was not happy paying $164 bucks 3 weeks ago and now they have them at $100. Rays said "no worries" drop in and we will refund the difference ;DAwesome!!! Can't complain about that.
swannie
Now you can buy the lantern also :)
Post by: dales133 on May 18, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
I rang rays and told them in no uncertain terms was not happy paying $164 bucks 3 weeks ago and now they have them at $100. Rays said "no worries" drop in and we will refund the difference ;D
swannie
Post by: quazz on May 18, 2015, 05:17:42 PM
My wife sometimes finds them a bit harder to get started than a traditional gas stove but loves cooking on them when going. Coleman fuel stored in the front toolbox and we have not gone through 1 tin as yet.
Post by: dales133 on May 20, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
They just emailed me and offered me the Northstar lantern ...I'm just confirming it's for the same price as it retails for 200 slides
Post by: Swannie on May 20, 2015, 03:12:33 PM
Swannie