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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: firefox on April 10, 2015, 05:56:00 PM
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So interesting exercise, how many people weigh and know the real weight of your car.
My new vehicle was basically finished today, so filled with fuel and everything on board in touring trim and with everyone on board went and weighed it.
Was 100kg over my expectation.
With my GVM upgrade which I am glad we did the lovells 3800kg with my towball weight I'm smack on the limit.
Now I know the amount of people that have more 4wd stuff on their vehicles then mine. I.e heavy rear bar. I reckon they just ignore there real weight.
So how many actually really weigh their vehicles loaded with people on board..?
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I've never weighed mine but I've added it all up on a spreadsheet based on real world weights.(yes I've weighed my families bags) Still got 150kg to spare. :)
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It's interesting I used a spreadsheet to start with and then weighed.
I was out by 100kg and I was going excessive on the spreadsheet. I get the feeling the so called kerb weight really isn't real.
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Yeah I've got to get a weighbridge ticket for my trailer. Might see if they'll do my rig at the same time
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I am with D4D :cup:
Add the weight of extra fruit like Batteries, bullbar, winch, brush bars, roof rack, steel Rear bar and wheel carriers and fill both fuel tanks. Mmmmmm. All that adds an extra 50 kgs.
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I am with D4D :cup:
Add the weight of extra fruit like Batteries, bullbar, winch, brush bars, roof rack, steel Rear bar and wheel carriers and fill both fuel tanks. Mmmmmm. All that adds an extra 50 kgs.
Im using his calculator :D
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Yep me too. Lol
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I've done all that and have a 300kg scale set to make sure. With the Hilux I can only tow 2250 kg and have about 4700kg Max tow so I got to be carefull.
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Yes I do. 80 series with a kerb weight of 2100kg, on the weighbridge with full fuel and me in it was 2680kg (loaded with most of the stuff I take camping, but not the fridge. Add on 150kg ball weight and an AVM of 2960kg only gives 130 kg for extras. Wife at 70 and loaded fridge at 50, means we do not pack much more in the car.
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I think I posted my weights on here somewhere.........agree most wouldn't have a clue what they weigh, a weight bridge is the only way to know exactly what's going on. Alway good to do axle weights as well. From memory I was slightly over on front axle in touring mode.
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This was mine a while ago.........have a POS hi-lux now, pretty sure the trailer weighs in around 1200-1300kg now. Should have put the new combo on the bridge this week when I was in full touring mode.
3700 Defender and camper trailer
2740 Defender by itself
2800 Defender with trailer connected but off bridge
1000 Camper trailer by itself
1240 Front axle weight defender
1480 Rear axle weight defender
940 Camper trailer axle weight when connect to defender
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This was mine a while ago.........have a POS hi-lux now, pretty sure the trailer weighs in around 1200-1300kg now. Should have put the new combo on the bridge this week when I was in full touring mode.
3700 Defender and camper trailer
2740 Defender by itself
2800 Defender with trailer connected but off bridge
1000 Camper trailer by itself
1240 Front axle weight defender
1480 Rear axle weight defender
940 Camper trailer axle weight when connect to defender
Another weigh in..........Just me in the car, the only things to pack is three kids and cloths so maybe another 200kg
4.06 car and trailer
2.92 car + tow ball weight
1.14 trailer..........apparently you needs brakes over 750kg
2.80 car, expected to be 3.0-3.1 tomorrow (GVM is 3.2)
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i know roughly what my vehicle weighs with me in it, the weighbridge at the local dump tells me that when i leave there...just need to take off the weight of the empty small box trailer on the back is all. It weighs a atleast a 100kg less after the accessories i've removed from it of late, those ARB roofracks and the awning i had on it aren't light for a start.
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Forget your 200 series with gvm upgrades or upmarket Landrovers, all useless for long/extended trips, I get concerned with my 105 series not even fully loaded, given all these V8's being diesel or petrol when towing use up around the 15-20 Litres mark better off looking at the light trucks like the Iveco Daily 4x4 which has real fuel usage of 17 Litres over 50,000ks with off road the majority of usage and comes with diff locks 1.7t payload increasable to 2.4t seat 6 and be comfortable to drive
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.......better off looking at the light trucks like the Iveco Daily 4x4 which has real fuel usage of 17 Litres over 50,000ks with off road the majority of usage and comes with diff locks 1.7t payload increasable to 2.4t seat 6 and be comfortable to drive
They do look pretty good, but they wouldn't be very practical as a daily ( ;D), though.
Most of us need something more suited to dual roles......
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I went nuts and seriously considered a daily 4x4 Iveco with travel truck.
Even took one for a drive to play around.
The problem with them is the need to go and get a loaf of bread. You can't fit into shops etc. some caravan parks frown upon them also.
I think they would be an awesome vehicle if you were going out to a special destination, otherwise they can't really be used as a full touring vehicle. Especially with kids.
But I do like them. But was just not going to work unfortunately.
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Yes I do. 80 series with a kerb weight of 2100kg, on the weighbridge with full fuel and me in it was 2680kg (loaded with most of the stuff I take camping, but not the fridge. Add on 150kg ball weight and an AVM of 2960kg only gives 130 kg for extras. Wife at 70 and loaded fridge at 50, means we do not pack much more in the car.
We do the same with our 80 series. The local landscaping yard allows me to weigh the truck on their weigh bridge prior to our trip. Our kerb weight with the 80 kitted out(steel bar, steel roof rack, rear wheel carrier, side and rear awnings, rear draws and fuel) is 2600kg.
I'm always loaded up smack on 3T and thats with constant 400kg 2"suspension in the rear, with that rated suspension the 80 sits, handles and rides better loaded up than empty even when 4wding.
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Only ever weighed it at the local tip and deduct trailer weight.
However. I am sure I once heard her say "do I look fat in this rear bar?"
But I had been drinking.
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Only ever weighed it at the local tip and deduct trailer weight.
However. I am sure I once heard her say "do I look fat in this rear bar?"
But I had been drinking.
did you reply with no, that rear bar makes you look Hot! You better of! ;D
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did you reply with no, that rear bar makes you look Hot! You better of! ;D
You know I always sweet talk her...
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I went nuts and seriously considered a daily 4x4 Iveco with travel truck.
Even took one for a drive to play around.
The problem with them is the need to go and get a loaf of bread. You can't fit into shops etc. some caravan parks frown upon them also.
I think they would be an awesome vehicle if you were going out to a special destination, otherwise they can't really be used as a full touring vehicle. Especially with kids.
But I do like them. But was just not going to work unfortunately.
We use our Canter 4x4 as a daily driver at times. It fits into a standard car park at the shopping centre. The doors open out over the bonnet or boot of the cars in the park next door and there is enough room for them to get into their car. So don't really see that an Iveco 4x4 would be a lot different. As for comfort in driving it has a better ride than my HZJ 75 Landcruiser Trayback.
Dan.
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Im using his calculator :D
When you're finished with it, send it my way please ;D
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I know I am way over so I have never worried about it. Don't want the shock of the actual weight. :cheers:
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Only ever weighed it at the local tip and deduct trailer weight.
However. I am sure I once heard her say "do I look fat in this rear bar?"
But I had been drinking.
i started reading this and thought you're making this up, but then i read the last sentence and realised nah you're telling the truth ;D
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i started reading this and thought you're making this up, but then i read the last sentence and realised nah you're telling the truth ;D
Yup sad but true. :)
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I weighed mine prior to our last major desert trip and it was almost 200 kg under GVM. I always keep it that way on remote Outback trips. Cars are not designed to carry their maximum load for sustained periods in those conditions.
The story in the April edition of 4x4 Australia, and in the editorial, on overloading and damaging cars in the Outback is well worth reading, particularly for anyone driving a cab/chassis ute with a trailer.
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Yep I did, came in at 3000kg, the results are discussed here.
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=29524.50 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=29524.50)
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I weighed the Prado last week on a weigh bridge.
Fully loaded, ready for a trip, I was about 300kg OVER weight on the cars GVM when including the trailer tow ball weight.
My Camper trailer was also 50kg OVER its Weight.
Not sure what to remove from the car... Perhaps the family?
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Worries me that many people are over the limits and know about it, or are pretty sure they are over, but hide their head in the sand and do not get their trailers and cars weighed. The limits that are put on vehicles are there for a reason. SAFETY. I'm not real concerned about insurance claims, but I do value my wife and grandchildren who may be in my car. I also value any other road users. For this reason I keep a very close check on my weights for safety reasons. The local landscaping yard is very good for just dropping in to do a quick check (don't do it at peak times though). If anyone is seriously over you should consider the safety aspect. Leave some of the stuff at home. If you must take all the extras, upgrade your vehicle so that you are safe.
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It's a real pity GVM upgrades are not available for more vehicles. I was toying with an FJ cruiser (yes they may be unattractive to some) but it only gives you a small payload. GVM upgrades of the FJ are unavailable in Queensland as far as I know (Prado's too from what I've been able to read online, though I'm happy to be corrected). It's too expensive for companies to comply for a lower volume vehicle. They mostly concentrate on cruisers and utes (higher volume to justify their outlay). The thing is I can get a suspension upgrade for the FJ used in other states (WA) for a GVM upgrade, so at least I know the vehicle could handle the extra load, it just wouldn't be legal in Qld which make me uneasy, even though knocked backed insurance claims of exceeded GVM seem to be rare. From what I have read, the companies will pursue the issue if overloading contributed to the incident. I'd love to get an upgrade on a new vehicle so it complies in all states. I know I could buy a vehicle that would comply, they're just not what I'm after as I'm downsizing with only two people (occasional 3), a camper and a small garage. It looks like a GX Prado with the higher payload though its a little bigger than I what I was after.
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Yeah I've got to get a weighbridge ticket for my trailer. Might see if they'll do my rig at the same time
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Weighed mine today and I am touring legally with the trailer on, the GVM upgrade was well worth it for the the 2 hungie
GG
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Leave some of the stuff at home. If you must take all the extras, upgrade your vehicle so that you are safe.
Well said Hewy. If everyone took that advice, a lot of people would be still alive, countless others would not have had a ruined holiday and a badly depleted bank account and the Outback workshops would be out of business.
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Weighed mine today and I am touring legally with the trailer on, the GVM upgrade was well worth it for the the 2 hungie
GG
Was the upgrade from new before registration or is it limited to your own state (post rego) for legal reasons?
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Was the upgrade from new before registration or is it limited to your own state (post rego) for legal reasons?
Upgrade prior, all state legal
GG
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My post rego is qld certified, but accepted nationwide.
The only negative is between pre and post is that when I sell it can only apply in qld, unless I get it certified again for the state.
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My post rego is qld certified, but accepted nationwide.
The only negative is between pre and post is that when I sell it can only apply in qld, unless I get it certified again for the state.
Really!. Everything I've read so far has said its only compliant in the state of installation post first rego. Where was it done, I'd be very interested in getting a similar set up?
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I had problems as ARB cannot do certifications. In the end toyota didn't want to do the pre upgrade either. This was with 4 different dealerships. Due to the new Japan free trade agreement.
Anyhow I spent a lot of time talking with Lovells, ARB, Qld Transport and so on.
I can confirm I did a 3800 GVM upgrade POST rego, has a federal compliance plate. But is only registered in QLD the state the vehicle is registered. I went into qld transport and handed over the paperwork. I also received paperwork from qld transport and lovells I can keep in the car with the plate on the vehicle. This states clearly the vehicle gym is now 3800. The paperwork and qld transport material clearly states if I was weighed in another state that the vehicle as long as it is still registered in qld it applies across the country.
Now if I want to sell the car or transfer the rego to another state, my GVM upgrade does not apply. This doesn't mean the car can't be taken to another state, I was also told by lovells that really the process would be to get it rechecked and certified for a different state.
Also confirmed this directly with qld transport and also insurance. The only impact to pre and post rego was if the vehicle is transferred or sold interstate the GVM upgrade is not accepted by the new state unless I have the relevant paperwork for that state, it does not mean just because I am driving through say WA and the car is registered in QLD that the upgrade does not apply. Only if I transfer the rego to another state do I need to change something.
Hope that makes sense.
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I had problems as ARB cannot do certifications. In the end toyota didn't want to do the pre upgrade either. This was with 4 different dealerships. Due to the new Japan free trade agreement.
Anyhow I spent a lot of time talking with Lovells, ARB, Qld Transport and so on.
I can confirm I did a 3800 GVM upgrade POST rego, has a federal compliance plate. But is only registered in QLD the state the vehicle is registered. I went into qld transport and handed over the paperwork. I also received paperwork from qld transport and lovells I can keep in the car with the plate on the vehicle. This states clearly the vehicle gym is now 3800. The paperwork and qld transport material clearly states if I was weighed in another state that the vehicle as long as it is still registered in qld it applies across the country.
Now if I want to sell the car or transfer the rego to another state, my GVM upgrade does not apply. This doesn't mean the car can't be taken to another state, I was also told by lovells that really the process would be to get it rechecked and certified for a different state.
Also confirmed this directly with qld transport and also insurance. The only impact to pre and post rego was if the vehicle is transferred or sold interstate the GVM upgrade is not accepted by the new state unless I have the relevant paperwork for that state, it does not mean just because I am driving through say WA and the car is registered in QLD that the upgrade does not apply. Only if I transfer the rego to another state do I need to change something.
Hope that makes sense.
That makes a lot of sense. Excellent information, much appreciated.
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Hi Matt
Can you describe what was modified to achieve gvm upgrade? Is it just stiffer suspension?
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Hi Matt
Can you describe what was modified to achieve gvm upgrade? Is it just stiffer suspension?
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That is a question for firefox. I'm looking at getting it done.
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In my vehicle the following.
http://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php (http://www.lovellsauto.com.au/product12d.php)
Tom at offroad4wd arranged it all for me. There are different kits and setups.
And ways to do it, but the above link gives you the basics.
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Firefox, my limited understanding of these upgrades is they (ie Lovells) upgrade the GVM to be the sum of the axle ratings. Can't go any higher because the axles would be overloaded.
Have you weighed the car when loaded up to maximum (upgraded) GVM? Were the axle weights within their ratings?
I weighed a dual cab '79 series with upgraded GVM once. It was within it's upgraded GVM but the rear axle was 1/2t over it's rating and the front axle was 1/2t under. The owner could not get his payload far enough in front of the rear axle to make use of the front axle's capacity. The car had a good solid tray and canopy, boat and trailer on rack and about 250kg on the towbar.
I would be worried that other "upgraded" vehicles may be in the same boat. Not being able to distribute the payload appropriately to make use of the extra capacity.
Happy to proven wrong :cheers:
Peter H