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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: prodigyrf on March 17, 2015, 08:51:51 AM
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Posted on the butane stove thread but here too for reference-
http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001 (http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001)
Here's what you need to see on your butane cans-
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Campmaster-Butane-Cartridge-220g-4-Pack.aspx?pid=213539#Recommendations (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Campmaster-Butane-Cartridge-220g-4-Pack.aspx?pid=213539#Recommendations)
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Trust private enterprise while the public circus bedwetters and taxeaters are still pissing around on social media like schoolgirls with the vapours eh? :cheers:
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Mate, CRV butane canisters have been around for ages. Would be surprised if you can still buy non-CRV cans. But thanks for posting anyway
KB
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Gotta say KB I hadn't noticed the CRV message before (or understood what's behind it) and it's not obvious to consumers butane cartridges are all the same-
http://www.bunnings.com.au/gasmate-butane-cartridges-4-pack_p3171476 (http://www.bunnings.com.au/gasmate-butane-cartridges-4-pack_p3171476)
With a 12V jug for the tug on the road and Jayco on LPG camping, I gave my cooker away to the lad and his missus so haven't purchased any for a couple of years.
What sort of butane cans have users got out there?
If they're not obviously marked CRV safety, for the price I'd be ditching them for the risk of the kids or someone ignorant using the cooker incorrectly. That Korean manufacturer video is telling us all something worthwhile and butane gas sellers too. My take is if NSW Fair Trading knew all butane cartridges entering the country were definitely CRV safety then they wouldn't have knee-jerked with the cooker stop sale.
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What sort of butane cans have users got out there?
If they're not obviously marked CRV safety, for the price I'd be ditching them for the risk of the kids or someone ignorant using the cooker incorrectly.
Where or how does one dispose of the non CRV cans?
Thanks,
S.
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;D ;D with a bloody big bang if you dare too, they do make great mini Nuclear style mushroom fire balls and knock the hell out of hollow stumps, ohh and the tins fly realy realy high trailing fire, just becareful of people fishing about 200m away as burning tincans falling from the sky and landing beside them tend to get get them excited just a little .. ... But then again that would be irressponsable type of behaviour.
So would putting them in a ramp covered driveway pipe and firing them them as a flame tailed rocket projectile 150 m down the street just after dark, Again totaly irresponsible and dangerous ..But jeez it was fun as a kid ... Disclosure : this may or may not have happened on a regular basis in the surrounds of Mullumbimby many many many years ago ;D ;D
Notice that the cookers are still in BCF's latest catalogue for sale that we got yesterday ..
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After a bit of searching I found out what CRV actually is. (I think)
Basically the rim has a blue tinge and there are small holes around the rim as below.
My Aldi one from a few years ago doesn't have it and the companion ones I have also don't.
EN417 relates to the top valve and nothing to do with CRV
Also a good article here
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772 (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772)
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Gotta say KB I hadn't noticed the CRV message before (or understood what's behind it) and it's not obvious to consumers butane cartridges are all the same-
Disagree. All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such. No confusion for the consumer.
My take is if NSW Fair Trading knew all butane cartridges entering the country were definitely CRV safety then they wouldn't have knee-jerked with the cooker stop sale.
Again disagree. If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters. They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.
“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.
KB
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Disagree. All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such. No confusion for the consumer.
not sure if gasmate are CRV or not, but if you look at the pic below, not real easy to distinguish CRV status at first glance...
(https://2ecffd01e1ab3e9383f0-07db7b9624bbdf022e3b5395236d5cf8.ssl.cf4.rackcdn.com/Product-800x800/e24dfd80-2878-4057-9f01-ca5fed44d40e.jpg)
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CRV butane canisters are clearly marked as such. Not difficult to see ;D
KB
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not sure if gasmate are CRV or not, but if you look at the pic below, not real easy to distinguish CRV status at first glance...
Again, trying to discredit what I am saying. Don't get your motivation? Becoming a habit of yours paceman >:(
Obviously the random photo you chose from the internet is NOT a CRV canister as it is NOT marked as such. See my above response.
KB
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Again, trying to discredit what I am saying. Don't get your motivation? Becoming a habit of yours paceman >:(
Obviously the random photo you chose from the internet is NOT a CRV canister as it is NOT marked as such. See my above response.
KB
can't see how my post was a personal attack. perhaps i should have chosen my words a bit more clearly.
i was just pointing out that the gasmate canister is not marked, but is quite popular and if you ask sales assistants, they will often tell you that it is a crv canister (personal experience, after the recent butane cooker issues).
also, not all crv-approved canisters are marked on the front of the canister. they can have a marking on the rear of the canister, which is not easily seen and can be missed if you do not know what to look for.
and i would hardly call it a random photo. i picked it for a specific reason, as the gasmate canisters are sold in bunnings and other popular stores.
maybe some people here on the forum did not know that gasmate canisters are not crv approved? not sure, but the extra info wouldn't hurt, would it?
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Disagree. All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such. No confusion for the consumer.
Again disagree. If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters. They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.
“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.
KB
KB Thanks for saying this, I typed something similar but did not post it.
You are Correct, the recall has nothing to do with the gas canister ,the canisters can still be sold and used on other complying appliances be it CRV or any other type, propane or butane.
The FT notice is all to do with the actually safety design of the cooker and nothing more or less.
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well, this is the first i have heard of CRV.
Never ever seen a can marked with it,but will keep an eye out. i have only used the gasmate from bunnings and the campmaster in KB's 2nd pic. never seen the other one.
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well, this is the first i have heard of CRV.
Honda CRV, bit like a Nissan Xtrail only crunchier
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Disagree. All CRV canisters that I have seen are clearly marked as such. No confusion for the consumer.
Again disagree. If you had read the NSW recall of portable butane cookers, the issue has nothing to do with the butane canisters, and whether or not they are CRV canisters. They recall is due to a fault with the cookers' shut off valves.
“Testing, undertaken at the request of NSW Fair Trading and other State gas regulators, has found a fault with the cookers’ shut-off valves, posing a risk that the devices may overheat and could explode.
KB
Yeah well that might be NSW view but here's the SA view-
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety (https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety)
And note- "No single burner butane gas stoves are currently approved for sale." just a few double ones and-
"If you already own a portable butane gas stove with an integrated cylinder:
Make sure the portable butane gas stove is Australian safety certified. If it is not safety certified, consider disposing of it.
Always use the stove according to the manufacturer's instructions.
The stoves are designed to be used for very short periods. Do not operate the stove for longer than the manufacturer recommends.
Portable gas stoves should never be used indoors.
Always allow for adequate air flow around the stove.
Many stoves are packaged with the trivet upside down. Only use the stove when the trivet is up the right way, like in image 1.
Make sure all connections are tight and that there are no gas leaks. Using a soapy water solution, spray the connection point. If bubbles appear, there is a leak. Tighten if necessary and then retest. If bubbles still appear, do no use the stove.
Never use the stove in a way that causes the canister to overheat – for example, do no use them on very hot days or to heat up heat beads.
Do not use pans or pots larger than 200mm (unless specified as safe by the manufacturer) – when the pot is too big, it concentrates the heat down toward the gas canister, which may cause it to overheat and explode.
If the portable butane gas stove doesn't seem to be operating or lighting correctly, do not use it. Don't tamper with the appliance or its controls."
There's the big pots again and some mention of ensuring there are no gas leaks but no mention of CRV safety cans and if any of you failed to watch that Daeyruk Can Co video comparing what happens with non and CRV butane cans here it is and make up your own mind. Personally I'd be happy using any existing stove with a CRV can and using common sense re large pans overhanging the cylinder receptacle and obviously being aware the can is inserted properly and sealing-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV4LMjzgyu8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV4LMjzgyu8)
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I've never heard of CRV cans before.
Maybe because I bought a six pack of the old cans about 5 years ago and haven't used them all yet. I don't use them on the stoves myself, only on blow torches.
With regard cans being clearly marked or not I think is beside the point. I don't think the message about the safety aspect of the CRV cans is getting out there to the consumer, or more to the point, the danger aspect of the old cans when used incorrectly.
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Honda CRV, bit like a Nissan Xtrail only crunchier
Ah yeah. Of coarse. I knew I had heard of it somewhere
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I know that this was a cut and paste but even the official information is confusing
"If you already own a portable butane gas stove with an integrated cylinder
I wouldn't call these ,integrated"
Make sure the portable butane gas stove is Australian safety certified. If it is not safety certified, consider disposing of it.
What is the Australian standard. AS.......or an adopted overseas standard?
Isn't this the issue at the moment that the certification has been suspended?
Make sure all connections are tight and that there are no gas leaks. Using a soapy water solution, spray the connection point. If bubbles appear, there is a leak. Tighten if necessary and then retest.
Tighten what?
(Edited to tidy it up and didn't realise I posted it before dropping the kids off)
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or more to the point, the danger aspect of the old cans when used incorrectly.
KB Thanks for saying this, I typed something similar but did not post it.
You are Correct, the recall has nothing to do with the gas canister ,the canisters can still be sold and used on other complying appliances be it CRV or any other type, propane or butane.
The FT notice is all to do with the actually safety design of the cooker and nothing more or less.
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For those that have never heard of CRV butane canisters, here is a thread from November 2013 and is where I first became aware of the safety of using these cans. Suggest some of you need to get out more ;D
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772 (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772)
KB
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My comment is purely in relation to the issue regarding CRV cans. I haven't been following the NSW Fair Trading thread regarding the lunch box stoves because I don't own one. And I don't own a Pajero either.
I am interested in this thread purely from the aspect of the different butane cans, of which I was blissfully unaware there were different, safe and unsafe versions. I has certainly made me aware of what to look out for.
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It is interesting how SA have changed their message from the first one issued on 12/3/15 stating all was good to the one currently listed on 16/3/15, must of had a tap on shoulder!!
http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety (http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/water-energy-and-environment/electrical-gas-and-plumbing-safety-and-technical-regulation/electricity-and-gas-safety-for-consumers/gas-safety/portable-gas-cooker-safety)
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For those that have never heard of CRV butane canisters, here is a thread from November 2013 and is where I first became aware of the safety of using these cans. Suggest some of you need to get out more ;D
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772 (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772)
KB
and this thread is serving that same purpose again, for those of us who weren't sure in the first place.
if the consumer doesn't know that there is a difference between crv and non-crv (and the sales assitant doesn't know either), how are they supposed to make an informed choice in the first place? stumble on a thread by 'getting out more', as you so nicely put it?
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My comment is purely in relation to the issue regarding CRV cans. I haven't been following the NSW Fair Trading thread regarding the lunch box stoves because I don't own one. And I don't own a Pajero either.
I am interested in this thread purely from the aspect of the different butane cans, of which I was blissfully unaware there were different, safe and unsafe versions. I has certainly made me aware of what to look out for.
Glad I could help Marschy ;D. My day is now complete ;D
Oh, and I don't own a Pajero either, nor subscribe to their forum but I read about the forum link on two other forums I subscribe to.
KB
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Glad I could help Marschy ;D. My day is now complete ;D
Oh, and I don't own a Pajero either, nor subscribe to their forum but I read about the forum link on two other forums I subscribe to.
KB
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Pretty sure the thread was started by Prodigyrf, very strange, i tink you make too many assumptions.
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and this thread is serving that same purpose again, for those of us who weren't sure in the first place.
if the consumer doesn't know that there is a difference between crv and non-crv (and the sales assitant doesn't know either), how are they supposed to make an informed choice in the first place? stumble on a thread by 'getting out more', as you so nicely put it?
Mate, it wasn't directed at you personally, or anybody personally. Setlle down.
Like most things in life, nobody is going to write you a personal letter informing you of every new innovation or improvement that is developed to keep you safe. You have to make personal choices and part of making those personal choices is being informed. It is up to you, and nobody else, to stay imformed informed. Have a nice day
KB
Edit for spelling
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Pretty sure the thread was started by Prodigyrf, very strange, i tink you make too many assumptions.
There you go again, making it personal. Get over it mate ;D
KB
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I've never heard of CRV cans before.
Maybe because I bought a six pack of the old cans about 5 years ago and haven't used them all yet. I don't use them on the stoves myself, only on blow torches.
With regard cans being clearly marked or not I think is beside the point. I don't think the message about the safety aspect of the CRV cans is getting out there to the consumer, or more to the point, the danger aspect of the old cans when used incorrectly.
Bingo! That would be true for many of us because you'll note that Daeyruk Youtube video was only posted up on 15th July 2013, presumably because their new patented invention was ready to roll off the production line then and naturally they want consumers to buy their cans. Piddling Oz recreational market be damned(only 4 million cookers), they were chasing the vast Asian day to day cooker market, where stove explosion incidents are more notorious, simply due to the sheer volume of useage. Hence they make the Korean news and no doubt many Asian news services while here in sleepy hollow it's all snooze stuff and consequently our Standards people are asleep at the wheel. The laugh is they only wake up to the potetial problem and knee-jerk via a couple of schoolgirl tales plus a woman from NZ on the Choice Facebook page and blame the cookers. Meanwhile, unlike LPG bottles with pressure relief valves, non-CRV cans are still pouring into the country, when private enterprise has solved another possible safety issue at negligible cost to the consumer, but no-one can buy a cooker to use them.
It aint the cookers guys. Its the potential of gas cans without pressure relief valves to go bang in a big way if they're heated beyond their limit and even more so should you further confine them in a tin box. That's just the physics of expanding gases and Daeyruk hammer the point with that model single room and the windows blowing out and the roof jumping up.
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For those that have never heard of CRV butane canisters, here is a thread from November 2013 and is where I first became aware of the safety of using these cans. Suggest some of you need to get out more ;D
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772 (http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=35772)
KB
Pretty sure the place I have seen butane cans, BCF, big w, Bunnings I have only seen the non crv ones. Must be more money in the non crv ones and they hide the other ones out of eye level. I also don't requent the pag forum, and I reckon I get out plenty. Camping that is! ;D :cheers:
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Obviously Yes Minister types don't get out much or drive Pajeros ;D
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I see they ( the stoves ) are still available for sale in Qld. Are we tougher or expendable? Or a bit slower to react to banning sale of stoves? Haha.
Regards
Angus.
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I see they ( the stoves ) are still available for sale in Qld. Are we tougher or expendable? Or a bit slower to react to banning sale of stoves? Haha.
Regards
Angus.
have you seen some for sale in mackay? last i checked, most places (rays, bcf, bunnings) had taken them off the shelves...
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Got a Rays and another brochure I can't remember 2 days ago and they had single burners for sale.....maybe the ones not on the banned list are still OK to sell ??
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I live in Brisbane and got a BCF catalogue in the mail on Monday and they were will selling these cookers and canisters. Also when I was at our local camping shop on the weekend and they were also selling these cookers plus the little aluminium wind breaks. So agree we are either tougher or expendable. ???
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Either that or someone has decided to let natural selection run its course, or the message hasnt got through yet because of the time difference ;D
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Que in Duelling Banjos!
I'm pretty sure I saw some at BCF on Monday. Mind you I wasn't looking for them.
May have to double check on Sunday.
Regards
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Is this ok to use ?
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If it doesn't say CRV then you would have to assume not the best to use.
:cheers: avo
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Was in anaconda today heaps of stoves on the shelf and canisters which did not state crv
Swannie