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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: jetcrew on November 17, 2014, 02:30:53 PM
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As the tittle reads I am Helping dad with a new car purchase, like a lot of people this will be his first new car in his life, and I,m excited to be helping him with this.
So the budget is 30K and it needs to be able to tow 2.0t min ( will only tow 1.5T ) but I want a decent margin esp with a dual cab.
So we started at the D22 as a few mates have them and they seem ok But can only get $29K drive away with nothing included
The Trition GLX is $29,990 drive away and has a 5yr warranty + roadside + capped price over the D22 3 year.
There is no hiding I had a crap experience with a ML triton and I am trying not to let that sway my guidance on his part.
Was hoping some one else has been through same same comparing these 2 and give some advice on what swayed them in either direction.
Thanks
jet ;D ;D
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Love my Dmax mate. Highly recommend having a test drive.
http://www.isuzuute.com.au/isuzu-deals/current-offers.aspx (http://www.isuzuute.com.au/isuzu-deals/current-offers.aspx)
KB
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Triton slightly more power (manual) and towing capacity I think. Longer Warranty should give piece of mind and time to get any niggles sorted. Mine tows the heavy A.S in my mind just fine. Only lacking very low rpm grunt which would be the same in any brand/small diesel Once on boost no problem. Im sure you'll get a few more bells and whistles in triton too. Are Navara timing chains and cluthes still giving issues?
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Triton slightly more power (manual) and towing capacity I think. Longer Warranty should give piece of mind and time to get any niggles sorted. Mine tows the heavy A.S in my mind just fine. Only lacking very low rpm grunt which would be the same in any brand/small diesel Once on boost no problem. Im sure you'll get a few more bells and whistles in triton too. Are Navara timing chains and cluthes still giving issues?
yeah the longer warranty and capped price servicing are placing in front to me at this point..we are test driving both on Wednesday
In the sub 30k mark there is not a great deal to choose from... which is a good thing me thinks.
Jet ;D
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Isn't there a new triton not too far away? Might be some keen deals on the older ones.
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How are his knees. Both those Utes have a low seat height that pains my stuffed ones to buggerry.
Just a thought. Would he consider late model from auctions. Lots of choice and good value.
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I know it's slightly more in price, and rear wheel drive only, but may be worth considering?
D Max High Rider.
http://www.carsales.com.au/nearnew/details/Isuzu-D-Max-2013/AGC-AD-16859227/?Cr=16&sdmvc=1 (http://www.carsales.com.au/nearnew/details/Isuzu-D-Max-2013/AGC-AD-16859227/?Cr=16&sdmvc=1)
I have said previously, my best mate has a manual GLXR triton, as well as his son and daughter Having one each also. The sons has been caned off road and still going strong with over 80k. The daughters looks in showroom condition and probably hasn't been over 3000rpm in 45000k. All are just over two years old.
His has just had the gearbox replaced under warranty at about 35000k, synchro gone on downshift from fourth to third. They use it for towing a 6.5 m boat. Ive always told him his daughter is easier on vehicles than him!!!
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Triton slightly more power (manual) and towing capacity I think. Longer Warranty should give piece of mind and time to get any niggles sorted. Mine tows the heavy A.S in my mind just fine. Only lacking very low rpm grunt which would be the same in any brand/small diesel Once on boost no problem. Im sure you'll get a few more bells and whistles in triton too. Are Navara timing chains and cluthes still giving issues?
The issue with clutches is in the D40's with the DMFW, the D22 doesn't have a DMFW, so no clutch more clutch issues than any other manual. I've never had any timing chains issues (I've owned 3 x D22's)
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I've owned three new D22's & they have been great value for money, but if I could get a new 4x4 Triton for the same price, I'd buy it! You're getting more car for your dollar IMO if the prices are equal.
That said, I'm still seeing D22's being advertised at $27,990 drive away with an alloy bar & a tow bar. That's pretty hard to beat!
Pro's with a D22 - they're mega reliable, there are heaps of accessories available & they are quite a capable 4WD.
Cons - they are very slow off the mark until the turbo spools up, very basic (no modern gadgets to speak of), an old design & the suspension is a tad stiff lol! (& not a lot you can do about the front end, as it has torsion bars)
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Of those two, Triton. ;D
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sorry not much help
too many issues with the triton and navara
dmax
ranger/bt50
territory
maybe amrok
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Maybe consider a Mahindra Pik-up ;)
Has nice high seating position -- price it right -- Diff lock included -- goes all right -- cheap to modify -- Dual air con.
:cheers:
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Maybe consider a Mahindra Pik-up ;)
Has nice high seating position -- price it right -- Diff lock included -- goes all right -- cheap to modify -- Dual air con.
:cheers:
Good advice!
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/#/60257/all-new-mitsubishi-triton-revealed-in-australia-from-mid-2015
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we own a d22, out of only those two buy the triton lol
If you are open to other suggestions possibly look at the Mahindra, or even the new foton tunland?
the Tunland has a cummins motor, German-built Getrag five-speed manual transmission, Dana axles, Borg Warner transfer case, and Bosch electrical components.
Could be worth a look, we had one come through work and it had decent exhaust on it. Sounded much tougher than a hilux, Im picking that the cummins motor is a cracker. Apparently its designed to last a min of 500000kms?
Cheers
Evo
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If Foton get their dealer support network and marketing strategy up to speed they will be a big player in the off road market. They tried once and came up short becoz of pricing twelve months or so ago, if it works this time look out!
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Back on topic, of the two options put forward the Triton is the better choice for the described purpose. More torque for towing, better warranty and generally more car for the money. Front suspension and motor are new generation compared to the honest old D 22. Both are pretty keenly priced in the ACT area, I've seen them mentioned around the 29,000 mark considering cash back. Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers,
Disco teddy.
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Of them two Id Get the triton, it s a newer design and they go pretty good, good warranty, get the factory diff lock. Just don't load it up too much and it will go sweet.
The D22 aren't bad and are very basic. Our work ones my biggest gripe is the inside is quite small and cramped ( rollbars inside don't help) But they do go pretty good offroad.
Both have plenty of aftermarket accessories available I think the triton is bigger and a lot of people don't like the styling
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Go the D22...best looking dual cab on the market I reckon. May be "older" but why change something that don't need fixing :)
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New triton details and pics released today. Doesn't look too bad. Might be some good run out deals on the current model soon.
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Guy at work has a d22 for about 6 yrs now and has never had any dramas with it.
Not sure if it correct, but I reckon I have seen more photos of tritons with a bent chassis than navara's.
Out of the two I would personally buy the Nissan. Much better looking IMHO and will be better resale having the Nissan badge.
Usually when a car company is offering the longest warrantee period, it is to overcome some public concerns about reliability. Not sure if there is any known common issues with the Triton?
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turning circle is a little better in the triton.
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New triton details and pics released today. Doesn't look too bad. Might be some good run out deals on the current model soon.
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those benefits of the mitsubishi warranty will be forgotten when you are having troubles with it. i know multiple triton owners that have the thing at mitsubishi every 15,000kms .. i know plenty of d22 owners. they just keep driving their trucks.
personally, i wouldn't buy either with my money. the triton due to the above, and the nissan because i think it is outdated - probably adds to it's reliability. not sure what else to recommend though..
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those benefits of the mitsubishi warranty will be forgotten when you are having troubles with it. i know multiple triton owners that have the thing at mitsubishi every 15,000kms ..
The dicky idle and loss of power due to carbon build up? God that must have cost them some $$
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I like the look of the new ones. Has a prado look at the front. I must have a good triton as so far so good. No surging, power loss etc. Sure it's not as comfy or powerful as the Mrs. Prado Grande but bang for buck they are hard to beat. Suspension is crap though and you need to put spacers under the seats to make them half decent.
I looked at all the big name dual cabs a few months back when I purchased mine and what it came down to was warranty and the fact that it had the most room in the back for the kids.....and $$$ of course. The Mazdas are growing on me too. They look pretty schmick with all the ARB gear.
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The dicky idle and loss of power due to carbon build up? God that must have cost them some $$
yes, and one of them has had a heap of other issues.. can't recall what they were there has been so many..
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I have both 2013 nissan for work base model and 2013 triton glxr for the missus and weekend getaways. Both have similar milage around the 50k mark. To be honest both are very good i prefer driving the trition, but it has all the creature comforts whereas the nissan is very basic. Both never given any problems. The triton is easier to park as it is not as wide. But imho they are both good
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If you can get both for same price the triton will win with, traction control (which appears to work well), esp, more airbags and a better 4 star safety rating. The chances of survial or avoiding a accident in the triton will be increased hugely. Also triton has a great back seat the narvara has the worst and the smallest cabin. But if your father is a smoker go the narvara as it has an ash tray still lol. I have seen tritons in the $26990 range but may be a 2013. your test drive will tell you which way to go.
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But if your father is a smoker go the narvara as it has an ash tray still lol.
Smokers must be different over your way, over here they don't like to dirty or stink up their own new cars so toss the butts out the window :police:
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Have a Nov 2011 build D22 Navara from new, 115k's on the clock with no warranty claims.
Had a SsangYong Musso 4WD Ute before the D22, loved the Musso to death literally, so purchase of a new ute was not planned, so price was a very big factor.
The Manhindra was priced right, had all the comfort features and cruise control as standard, good headroom and rear seat leg room, only issue I had was the availability of assessories such as snorkle and Canopy, so went with the D22 and agreed it is somewhat crampt in cabin space unlike the Musso and Mahindra and other Dual Cap Ute's, especially if you have people sitting in the back like my 6" son on long trips.
I can't fault the D22. Its been a solid little ute and the only comfort feture I had added has been cruise control for those long trips, which for me are usually over 600klm in a day, which before the cruise control I was finding my right leg cramping up.
Main assessories I have added:
Bullbar/winch.
Canopy/roof rack system.
New Audio/GPS Navigation System.
UHF CB, Amateur VHF/UHF Radio, Amateur HF/VHF/UHF Radio, Trunk Radio Scanner.
Diesel Performance Module.
Cruise control
Jayco Dove Outback Camper
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The Manhindra was priced right, had all the comfort features and cruise control as standard, good headroom and rear seat leg room, only issue I had was the availability of assessories such as snorkle and Canopy,
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I am quite surprised that you had difficulty with that accessories for the Mahindra -- When I ordered my Mahindra I just about ordered it with everything included -- snorkel, bullbar etc etc.
Congratulations your D22 sounds like a nice ute :cup: -- let hope we will see some photos/stories in the "My 4WD" section of My Swag. ;)
Cheers
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I am quite surprised that you had difficulty with that accessories for the Mahindra -- When I ordered my Mahindra I just about ordered it with everything included -- snorkel, bullbar etc etc.
Congratulations your D22 sounds like a nice ute :cup: -- let hope we will see some photos/stories in the "My 4WD" section of My Swag. ;)
Cheers
Cyberess,
In 2011 the bullbars at the time were not an issue, they were made by Freedom Off-road at St Marys NSW for Mahindra and a couple of variants were available.
The snorkle and canopy were a concern. There seemed to be no local Australian manufacturer for the canopy, it was being manufactured in Malaysia or similar and none available to inspect to see the quality.
Snorkel wise, there was no purposely made snorkel available at the time I was told. The local dealership said they had heard that a snorkle for the Toyota FJ Cruiser could be modified and used.
Now like many SsangYong owners have experienced, it could just have been the lack of product knowledge by the Mahindra salesman, an issue that was a common complaint on the SsangYong Owners Forum, either way it was a swaying factor for me.
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The snorkels for the Mahindra utes are supplied my Mahindra themselves -- as it's what they use for their mine spec utes, it should not have been a issue. For the canopy, even on the Nissan D22 consider a tray setup with a nice gull wing canopy -- it's certainly better as far as dust sealing, access and security goes. Well that's my opinion anyway ;)
Certainly sounds like your local Mahindra dealer was not interested in selling you a vehicle.
:cheers:
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I prefer the tritons, they feel better to drive than the navaras. It you're going to lift them you'll get more lift from a triton than a navara but beware that some tritons (i don't think the new ones have it anymore) have the 2 piece tailshaft which will give vibes unless you spend $500 to modify it. The TJM airtek snorkel for the tritons are the best looking snorkel on the market, they look awesome.
With a Beaudesert exhaust and chip the navara D40's are rocket ships.
cheers
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Just bought a Triton for work, compared it the Nissan but it was an easy win to the Triton based on passenger leg room and the fact that you can get a Triton in auto. The GLX+ Deisel Auto I got came standard with with wheels, sidesteps, Bluetooth and Cruise for just under $31k.
With the 5yr warranty/roadside assistance I don't reckon you go wrong.
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Triton :cheers:
My 2010 MN has just over 145k km's on the clock and sure it's had its problems but is a fantastic allrounder ;D
The little things such as carbon build up and turbo lag can be gotten around >:D
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well putting aside my prev I tried to get Dad into a triton dealership but he has his heart set on the D22.
So off to start the haggle I see them for 27K right now then I need towbar, bullbar ,canopy.
will update the results
thanks all for taking the time to reply..at 64 this will the first new car he has ever owned.
Jet ;D ;D
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well putting aside my prev I tried to get Dad into a triton dealership but he has his heart set on the D22.
So off to start the haggle I see them for 27K right now then I need towbar, bullbar ,canopy.
will update the results
thanks all for taking the time to reply..at 64 this will the first new car he has ever owned.
Jet ;D ;D
go an ex-demo, or low klm used much cheaper
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just doing research for him and I note the D23 is due for release in the coming months...hmmmmm
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I'm also retired and did this exact same exercise twelve months ago.
I drove all the contenders, except the Triton, and rather liked the D-Max, but it was beyond my budget. I was about to put my money down for the D22 when I thought that I should really have a look at the Triton. I am so pleased that I did.
I did the forum thing, and while they both have their admirers and detractors, the Triton seemed like a much better thought of option. The main gripe with the Triton seemed to be the carbon build up issue in the manifold. A lot of owners fitted catch-cans although this 'fix' has now been superseded by a plug-in module that seems to do the job.
Another issue was overheating in the early MN's, seemingly due to lack of quality control on the production line. MMA have stood by affected owners and are replacing the engines in those affected vehicles.
For me, the decision ultimately came down to comfort and driveability. IMHO, the Triton was head and shoulders above the D22. For starters I thought that the D22 was one of the most uncomfortable vehicles I had ever sat in.
I finished up getting a Triton GLX+ model, and twelve months and twelve thousand K's on, I have no regrets whatsoever.
I guess it all comes down to weighing up the various pros and cons and going with what feels the best when you put your bum on the seat.
Good luck in helping your Dad with his decision.
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Update..
dad and I drove the 2 contenders yesterday... he pulled the pin on a d22 Navara. I was bloody impressed with the little thing and cant belive I have never driven one before.
I was worried about him being in a manual but the forgiving clutch and some good ratios make the car quite an effortless drive.
Got the usal pressure sell from the dealer and in the end I went all cranky on him when he called me a liar when I said I had seen them advertised at $26,990 drive away ..and pulled out all his books and calculator ect to prove it was impossible.
Then told my father he needed to understand how it works as it is his first new car he does not know the industry. I poliety told him to pull his head in..
I tried to support my local dealership but they were being idiots about the price so hunted down the dealership that was advertised on car sales and bought the car over the phone $1400 cheaper than my local and they are 5 mins from dads work.
So calling a spade a spade
:cup: to Nissan at wynnum
>:D >:D to nissan at Morayfield
Guy even went as far to say that he feeds his kids by selling cars to make money not selling them at a loss. And wanted me to name the other dealership so he could lodge a formal complaint with Nissan Head office as they are not allowed to sell below $27,990 so he says.
Got the car factory bullbar and towbar with 12mth reg ..$29,008 dad is very pleased.
Thanks for all the replies .
jet ;D ;D
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well done . great choice. Navaras are the perfect car for granddad's ;D
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Update..
dad and I drove the 2 contenders yesterday... he pulled the pin on a d22 Navara. I was bloody impressed with the little thing and cant belive I have never driven one before.
Hey Jet. Glad to hear your dad is happy with his decision.
Can I ask why the D22 one over the Triton? Only asking as I hope to buy a dual cab ute this year or next year and so far the Triton is at the top of my list so interested to see why the D22 was his preferred choice.
Bruce
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Hey Jet. Glad to hear your dad is happy with his decision.
Can I ask why the D22 one over the Triton? Only asking as I hope to buy a dual cab ute this year or next year and so far the Triton is at the top of my list so interested to see why the D22 was his preferred choice.
Bruce
the triton surged its way up and down the highway, you could feel the engine hunting for a rev range (auto ) dad and I both hated it ..the navara delivered a smooth power and tourque curve and the turbo did not exhibit the lag of the triton..
The navara felt more at home on the road ...
jet ;D
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I know what your talking about Theo, remember my Altitude .
My local Toyota dealer requested that I paid an extra $7k to by locally.
I now smirk at him every time I take in for it service,
as he said "there no way I could get one for that price". ;D