Post by: Nay-DMAX on October 19, 2014, 12:45:24 PM
Post by: Tim - Stratford on October 19, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
After we had a copperhead in the yard a few years back - and we're in town - I removed all but one water bowl for the hound and set a trap or two in the woodshed. I heard somewhere that if you reduce shelter, food & water that snakes will move on. It may have worked - haven't seen a snake in the yard since.
....and the old shepherd is getting a bit old to take them out :D
Tim
Post by: KingBilly on October 19, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Post by: pinarelloman on October 19, 2014, 04:44:24 PM
Post by: Nay-DMAX on October 19, 2014, 04:52:09 PM
Sorry for your loss, that would be heart breaking. I can't offer any advice though.
Thanks for your message we lost Milli the red in my sig pic in December last year and Dash the blue in Oct the year before, Dash was only 3 too young and Milli was almost 10 and we had her since a pup. Loved them both Dash had a real personality Milli was hands down the best dog I have ever owned. Heart breaking is exactly it my dogs are my kids and I still miss them everyday. We have got two again now and I just cannot lose anymore like this.
Tim and KB thanks for the posts think we will have to get some different mesh and do even more clean up we have been keeping grass around short but there is a few things that could use a tidy up still. Tim when you say traps what do you mean??
Post by: KingBilly on October 19, 2014, 04:57:13 PM
Post by: Tim - Stratford on October 19, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
Mouse/rat traps...to stop a food source. Sarah would be too nervous doing the catch 'n release of a snake! ;D
Tim
Post by: Nay-DMAX on October 19, 2014, 06:17:07 PM
Renee,
Mouse/rat traps...to stop a food source. Sarah would be too nervous doing the catch 'n release of a snake! ;D
Tim
Ah yes we have some of these but need to set the shed ones again since it is mouse time of year again. I don't even empty the mouse traps I hate them too cheers
Post by: BillC on October 19, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
Best of luck with it
Bill
Post by: Big Damo on October 19, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
one of our dogs got bitten by a brown snake 2 years ago in the back yard we have now long grass or rubbish to hide under and I still ended up catch and releasing 4 snakes that year.
She was lucky and got great care from the local vet came home after 3 days and is still going strong here is a picture camping this year.
So as far as snake proofing just have the spade and rake ready to catch and release when you find them as we never thought we would see any and as I said caught 4 and 1 bit the dog can't say if it was one of the ones I caught though. but so far haven't seen any last summer or this one yet
Damo
Post by: Nay-DMAX on October 19, 2014, 09:23:46 PM
Sorry to hear about the dog.
one of our dogs got bitten by a brown snake 2 years ago in the back yard we have now long grass or rubbish to hide under and I still ended up catch and releasing 4 snakes that year.
She was lucky and got great care from the local vet came home after 3 days and is still going strong here is a picture camping this year.
So as far as snake proofing just have the spade and rake ready to catch and release when you find them as we never thought we would see any and as I said caught 4 and 1 bit the dog can't say if it was one of the ones I caught though. but so far haven't seen any last summer or this one yet
Damo
It is not a nice feeling we lost both our girls when we were at work they didnt get to see a vet hence wanting to snakeproof or have yards to have them in during the day that snakes couldnt get in. Glad your girl survived and is still getting out camping
Post by: scarps on October 19, 2014, 09:36:10 PM
Sub post - At the moment I should be wiring in a uhf, instead I'm posting on myswag.
Post by: Jasman on October 19, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
Post by: MarkVS on October 20, 2014, 05:37:14 AM
very sorry for your dog losses. I know I would be devestated if I lost our dog.
We live on acreage (only an acre so easy to maintain), and have acreage homes around us and a large Macadamia farm on our back fence. We have neighbours who have seen Browns, and King Browns, and we have seen none(apart from some pythons and green tree snakes).
We have purposely taken some simple steps (which I read about prior to moving in) and I think have made a difference.
1. Have no creepers (plants) in any of our gardens. All bushes or trees (nothing for them to hide in)
2. Have all of our garden beds on mounds with lawn in between which I keep at lawn length (snakes hate being in the open)
3. I don't store anything on the ground...it is off the ground or in the shed
4. The sheds always have mouse/rat baits in them, and I used expanding foam to fill in the gaps at the base of the shed walls to make it harder for any (rats/snakes) to crawl into the sheds.
5. We are lucky to have 2 resident kookaburras (they are territorial)
In the 5 years we have been in this house, we haven't seen any brown or black snakes whereas neighbours have.
Hope that helps.
MarkVS
Post by: Andreweasty90 on October 20, 2014, 06:14:00 AM
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Post by: Moggy on October 20, 2014, 06:28:33 AM
Seriously though I did some work for person who had avaries with a variety of birds but mostly finches & he had a low voltage/current wire running around the avaries. Reckons that stopped his snake problem. I seem to recall he did that as whilst the foxies were good to heartbreaking when they lost the battle. I dont remember if there were any problems for dogs cocking there leg
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Post by: Mik01 on October 20, 2014, 06:35:19 AM
They attack all types of rodents, inclusions snakes and keep them away.
Also added benefit of eating ticks he says.
I will be getting a few ASAP. This might be one of your weapons, as well as recommendations from others already posted.
http://www.guineafowlforsale.com.au/about_guinea_fowl_and_keets.php (http://www.guineafowlforsale.com.au/about_guinea_fowl_and_keets.php)
Post by: Nay-DMAX on October 20, 2014, 07:01:50 AM
Hey Nay, is this a problem for you all summer? You guys must always be on watch.
Sub post - At the moment I should be wiring in a uhf, instead I'm posting on myswag.
Yes all of Summer but starts as soon as we get warm days first few years here we hardly saw any but the last couple of summers have been more, the floods brought more frogs a few years back and there have been a lot of mice the last few years.
Renee,
very sorry for your dog losses. I know I would be devestated if I lost our dog.
We live on acreage (only an acre so easy to maintain), and have acreage homes around us and a large Macadamia farm on our back fence. We have neighbours who have seen Browns, and King Browns, and we have seen none(apart from some pythons and green tree snakes).
We have purposely taken some simple steps (which I read about prior to moving in) and I think have made a difference.
1. Have no creepers (plants) in any of our gardens. All bushes or trees (nothing for them to hide in)
2. Have all of our garden beds on mounds with lawn in between which I keep at lawn length (snakes hate being in the open)
3. I don't store anything on the ground...it is off the ground or in the shed
4. The sheds always have mouse/rat baits in them, and I used expanding foam to fill in the gaps at the base of the shed walls to make it harder for any (rats/snakes) to crawl into the sheds.
5. We are lucky to have 2 resident kookaburras (they are territorial)
In the 5 years we have been in this house, we haven't seen any brown or black snakes whereas neighbours have.
Hope that helps.
MarkVS
Thanks for that info Mark, we don't have any gardens at all and have the lawn and adjoining paddocks short there is some stuff that needs to be taken out of the yard I think and we will be getting that done straight away, lino6 has some ideas to reduce the water around the yard. We have bird netting but I don't think I have put it on well enough so will probably have to get more and replace it. Our problem is also the yard is quite big and whilst the dogs cannot go under the house anymore snakes can still come in that way house on stumps. We also have farming land around us and the neighbours place has good hiding spots I wonder if this one came from there because we were baling hay in there yesterday.
Hey mate - we live on acreage and are just looking into this. My neighbour swears by getting a few guinea fowl to roam around.
They attack all types of rodents, inclusions snakes and keep them away.
Also added benefit of eating ticks he says.
I will be getting a few ASAP. This might be one of your weapons, as well as recommendations from others already posted.
http://www.guineafowlforsale.com.au/about_guinea_fowl_and_keets.php (http://www.guineafowlforsale.com.au/about_guinea_fowl_and_keets.php)
I have read good things about the guineafowl also however I don't think they would survive here with our dogs, the dog who just came with us this year has an obsession of chasing birds away from the yard.
We will work on trying to make it harder is there anyone who knows about an actual day yard I was thinking of getting something like large dog yard panels and then putting the small mesh on the bottom into the ground and locking them up during the day.
Post by: Andreweasty90 on January 03, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
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Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 03, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
It's a bit mean but you could alway buy a few live mice from a pet shop and release them they are treated with something that will kill a pet snake if it eats them to stop people feeding live mice to pet snakes can't see the difference between a pet snake and a wild one
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The risk with that is what if it is not a snake that gets it but one of the dogs or the cat, we don't bait for mice for that reason we do set traps. We have mice in the hay shed which of course attracts the snakes but no recent sightings and the dogs are in the run when we are out. For the hot days ice in their shell pool.
Post by: lilstookie on January 04, 2015, 11:44:07 PM
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Post by: Desert lover on January 05, 2015, 07:10:38 AM
I don't know if it's true or not but a guy told me if you lay bird netting (available in rolls at hardware shop) on the ground it catches snakes. Apparently when a snake slithers over it they get stuck and roll up in it. You can the decide how to deal with them once they are caught.
I also have heard of this technique...apparently you lay it out around the area you want to protect and bunch it up. The slitherer will try and slide through but get tangled. Personally I'd like to see it work before I totally entrusted our new pup to this system but the interim protection???? hmm not sure. I would hate to see our pup get bitten either so Good luck and keep us informed on any progress.
Regards,
Sue
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 08:20:28 AM
Guinea fowl...they're supposed to be great at keeping snakes under control. Add to your menagerie
Lil
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Hi Lil as mentioned above could not get guinea fowl as we have a very bird obsessed dog here :'(
I also have heard of this technique...apparently you lay it out around the area you want to protect and bunch it up. The slitherer will try and slide through but get tangled. Personally I'd like to see it work before I totally entrusted our new pup to this system but the interim protection???? hmm not sure. I would hate to see our pup get bitten either so Good luck and keep us informed on any progress.
Regards,
Sue
Sue we have some bird netting around the yard the problem we have is that being in a rural area our yard is very big and we have gates etc that they would still be able to get underneath. The bird netting is hard to lay and attach so that it sits into the ground and up the edge of the fence whilst still being bunched up as well I don't think we found a great way to do that but I have heard of people that have found snakes in it. In saying that I am not sure that is legal. I am not sure if my post about the yard we made ended up in this thread or not if not I will go and find the pics I took and post them. Basically when we go to work now or out the dogs are in a run with small mesh on the outside of it that goes out across the ground, the run is not huge so they don't love to go in there but it is for their safety they have enough room to walk around a bit and the end part where the cage is has a lot of shade for them and a kennel.
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 09:02:21 AM
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Post by: terravista on January 05, 2015, 11:11:29 AM
Site quote : "The snake repeller will vibrate within the ground sending off warning sounds to snakes 30m in circumference".
I thought snakes were deaf, and I also hope they mean the repeller works in a 30m circumference area, not that it works on snakes 30m circumference. That would be one Godzilla sized snake.
http://www.pestrol.com.au/reptiles/pestrol-snake-away.html (http://www.pestrol.com.au/reptiles/pestrol-snake-away.html)
We had a Jack Russell a few years ago who went head to head with a red gutted black. They both lost, the snake in the fight, then the dog four days and $3 500 in vet bills later. If these worked you could get a bunch of repellers for a small part of a vet or dog replacement bill.
No affiliation and don't have a clue whether they work. We did have a mouse repeller from them that plugged into a power point, and that never worked.
Cheers
Ian
Post by: chillipepperz on January 05, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
The pup stays inside or outside only with us, and she just loves the shed! On occasions she also goes into the cat enclosure and we feel safe with that.
I have heard that the bird netting works well, and in fact at our old place we caught a snake in a trap set by the Snake Catcher that was made of such material. Once a snake gets tangled in there it is pretty well stuck.
What do you mean by not being "legal" in bunching up along your fence line?
Also, as pointed out earlier, those electronic snake deterrents are a complete waste of money in my experience!
cheers!
Andrew
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 12:05:07 PM
You could get a solar powered snake repeller or five from Pestrol.
Site quote : "The snake repeller will vibrate within the ground sending off warning sounds to snakes 30m in circumference".
I thought snakes were deaf, and I also hope they mean the repeller works in a 30m circumference area, not that it works on snakes 30m circumference. That would be one Godzilla sized snake.
http://www.pestrol.com.au/reptiles/pestrol-snake-away.html (http://www.pestrol.com.au/reptiles/pestrol-snake-away.html)
We had a Jack Russell a few years ago who went head to head with a red gutted black. They both lost, the snake in the fight, then the dog four days and $3 500 in vet bills later. If these worked you could get a bunch of repellers for a small part of a vet or dog replacement bill.
No affiliation and don't have a clue whether they work. We did have a mouse repeller from them that plugged into a power point, and that never worked.
Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian
Not sure if I already put this in posts above but we have the solar snake repellers and had them in the yard when we lost our last dog we had a snake within 6 meters of one that was working late last year so my bet would be that no they don't work so I would hate for people to rely solely on these as a protectant for their animals. Very sorry to hear of the loss of your Jacky they wont back down from much, when we lost our first dog Dash there was 2 dead browns in the back yard.
Post by: terravista on January 05, 2015, 01:14:25 PM
Hi Ian
Not sure if I already put this in posts above but we have the solar snake repellers and had them in the yard when we lost our last dog we had a snake within 6 meters of one that was working late last year so my bet would be that no they don't work so I would hate for people to rely solely on these as a protectant for their animals. Very sorry to hear of the loss of your Jacky they wont back down from much, when we lost our first dog Dash there was 2 dead browns in the back yard.
Yes, you did put your experience with solar repellers in your thread, but I failed to read it. My bad.
Pity they don't work, but with my experience with the Pestrol mouse deterrant having the same result I certainly don't doubt your statement.
Perhaps a herd of Mongooses?
Cheers
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 01:35:49 PM
Yes, you did put your experience with solar repellers in your thread, but I failed to read it. My bad.
Pity they don't work, but with my experience with the Pestrol mouse deterrant having the same result I certainly don't doubt your statement.
Perhaps a herd of Mongooses?
Cheers
LOL it's all good I could not remember where I have put info about them now as I have had posts on my facebook about similar issues. The yard does seem to be doing the job and I work part time so the days that I am home the dogs are with me.
Post by: Desert lover on January 05, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 03:15:20 PM
Pretty impressive yards those! Well Done.
Thanks they were a bit of work to get them done with the mesh zip ties and making the pegs and cutting around the corners then covering those over and was hot days when I did them so out in the morning and the arvo was quite proud of them
Post by: Mik01 on January 05, 2015, 08:25:46 PM
Post by: Nay-DMAX on January 05, 2015, 08:43:13 PM
Apparently there's a YouTube clip going around showing a snake cruising right up to one of these 'snake repellers' that vibrate.
Yes they have popped up on my facebook a few times those videos we have tried to minimise the water in the yard and keep the yard area tidy I have not seen any recently but that doesn't mean they are not around I always keep my eyes open when outside especially feeding the horses.
Post by: Mik01 on January 05, 2015, 10:56:41 PM
Post by: Desert lover on January 06, 2015, 09:46:17 AM
I think the old bush saying is that you don't touch the snake until after the sun goes down (or similar) however if you dispatch one I wouldn't be anywhere close by until the next day....... bearing in mind that snakes also move at night I'll keep my distance until I really know that it has gone to snake country in the sky.....
Good aim with the shovel though....!!!
Post by: mrdenn1s on January 06, 2015, 11:53:40 AM
Never seen one, but I'm sure they are up here.
However, we are also loaded with Kookaburra's, so maybe that's what keeps them at bay?
Post by: Mik01 on January 06, 2015, 07:48:12 PM
Did you tell the kids that under no circumstances to touch the snake (particularly the head end) even though it's headless???? We have experienced them 'snapping' around and wanting to have a go even after they have been split into several pieces....
I think the old bush saying is that you don't touch the snake until after the sun goes down (or similar) however if you dispatch one I wouldn't be anywhere close by until the next day....... bearing in mind that snakes also move at night I'll keep my distance until I really know that it has gone to snake country in the sky.....
Good aim with the shovel though....!!!
Yes mate! I kept them away, but talked through what to do if they see one. I bagged it straight after the photos and deposited it in the bin. Have removed the image as apparently it's not legal to protect your kids from dangerous animals in Australia. Anyway, it died of natural causes and I just happened to find it.
Post by: bobnrob on January 06, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Lost track of how many browns we seen casually crossing from one side of the yard to the other on their way to wherever...though to be fair, the amount of beverage consumed over the time MAY have caused us to see double at times :-\ Have also seen many types sunbaking out in the open over the yrs.
So while it's a good idea to keep food etc to near nonexistence, you'll never truely be able to 'snake-proof'
Post by: Homer_Jay on January 07, 2015, 07:33:13 AM
We get plenty of carpet snakes and whip snakes and have a couple of Blacks that hang around. Thankfully no Browns! Touch wood.
Never been a problem with our cattle dog yet. Just part of where we live, you just learn to watch where you walk and where you put your hands!
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Post by: jr on January 09, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Been trying everything for years, lost plenty of pets and almost a kid
Bird netting works,but has to be the non woven type, often they come in for water, can put some around troughs and drinkers and they get caught. Watch out as often they re still alive and need some massage with shovel. Also bit hard to get them out of the netting.
There is a push to restrict it as it is too effective.
Guinea fowl dont do much, my parents have 20x and snake repellers and neither stop them turning up.
Best we have found is sacrificial cats, snakes really dont like them. Still live with us but free shed cats work pretty well. Keep them fed and they dont bother wildlife much
Other story i have is for a fact black snakes eat browns, pulled a 1m brown snake from inside 1.1m black few weeks ago. Bluetongues are helpful too Im told.
Post by: markg66 on January 10, 2015, 12:20:32 PM
https://www.yellowpages.com.au/articles/pet-shops-20907/do-you-know-how-to-keep-your-dog-alive-after-a-snake-bite-20141021t101245n00f0001/?referrer=obrn (https://www.yellowpages.com.au/articles/pet-shops-20907/do-you-know-how-to-keep-your-dog-alive-after-a-snake-bite-20141021t101245n00f0001/?referrer=obrn)