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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Foo on May 02, 2014, 01:38:19 PM
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What is it with people towing caravans and losing control? ???
I passed another one yesterday near Harlin, a Landcrab and the van would have been, well before they lost it 18-20'. The number of these I see is just plain stupid and you always know where one has lost control, there is chit skatterd everywhere. :o
For crying out loud people, drive at a sensible speed on rough roads and pack the bloody things right and you won't have these problems. ;) :P
Foo
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Why was he towing something that big with a Landcrab in the first place?
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Read the title and thought the circus had come to town.... ;D
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Read the title and thought the circus had come to town.... ;D
it is if you live in Birdsville.. :D
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I live up the road from a caravan park and sometime think there should be a boom gate and loading adviser to stop and check vans before they allow people to get out onto the highways. One went past yesterday with less than 4 inches between the road and the drawbar. ???
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it is if you live in Birdsville.. :D
Pmsl!
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When you say "landcrab", you don't mean an Austin 1800 do you, cause i'm laughing just thinking about it.
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I use to run lime out of Gladstone to Townsville and went up the back way via clermont and charters. At one stage in the nomad season a wobbly a week was smashed up on the side of the road between about the Mt Mac turn off and Charters. They fixed up a lot more of the road in the past years which helped a little. I had one loose control overtaking me along the Mazeppa Flats. He called me up and I told him to hold on for another few kms till we get up to the frankfield feedlot turnoff because the road is good there as along the flats is built on black soil and rough, undulating and skinny. Well he didn't want to wait for a few kms and had a crack and hit a good whoop in the road and bounced wobbled and shot off in front of me straight into the table drain.
The end result was a written of pajero, jayco and his wife trapped in the car for 2 hours!
If I didn't back right off and I ended having to lock up they would of smashed into the side of the prime mover or under the front trailer and killing them.
They were on holidays so why the rush?
Now that's just one story of encounters of caravans and motorhomes on out western roads I've had.
Anymore than a 750kg trailer you should have to get a license no if bits or maybes!!!
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When you say "landcrab", you don't mean an Austin 1800 do you, cause i'm laughing just thinking about it.
Yep, thought of that too, I'll never look at a cruiser the same way again!
Anymore than a 750kg trailer you should have to get a license no if bits or maybes!!!
I wouldn't go that far, but having previously had too jump over three barrels and have to put up with regular medicals I've finally given up my HB licence that allowed me to drive an 8 tonne truck, I agree where ya coming from. I can still drive a far more dangerous combination of a motor vehicle and caravan up to legal GVM, so 6500kg thereabouts.
I reckon that over 2500kg should at least require some competency test to gain, with some form of regular appraisal, perhaps 5 yearly for seniors. 8)
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When you say "landcrab", you don't mean an Austin 1800 do you, cause i'm laughing just thinking about it.
I'm not laughing, I'm wondering, "What's the point?".
Speak fa yaself Mace.
My Dad's Taxi weighs 3 Tonne just by itself.
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Come June, July and August and we have convoys of grey nomads coming to Cairns area. Their favourite tug is a Cruza, Patrol or Prado, mustn't drive over 80 km per hour in the 100km zone ( unless in an overtaking lane) so they can conserve their fuel consumption.
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I use to run lime out of Gladstone to Townsville and went up the back way via clermont and charters. At one stage in the nomad season a wobbly a week was smashed up on the side of the road between about the Mt Mac turn off and Charters. They fixed up a lot more of the road in the past years which helped a little. I had one loose control overtaking me along the Mazeppa Flats. He called me up and I told him to hold on for another few kms till we get up to the frankfield feedlot turnoff because the road is good there as along the flats is built on black soil and rough, undulating and skinny. Well he didn't want to wait for a few kms and had a crack and hit a good whoop in the road and bounced wobbled and shot off in front of me straight into the table drain.
The end result was a written of pajero, jayco and his wife trapped in the car for 2 hours!
If I didn't back right off and I ended having to lock up they would of smashed into the side of the prime mover or under the front trailer and killing them.
They were on holidays so why the rush?
Now that's just one story of encounters of caravans and motorhomes on out western roads I've had.
Anymore than a 750kg trailer you should have to get a license no if bits or maybes!!!
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You can always tell the difference between the locals and the bloody tourists! ::)
Foo
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I only ever ran along the flats which is 13km from end to end at 80km Max other wise your entire bunk would end up on your dash. And I had a 50inch bunk too!
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Yep, thought of that too, I'll never look at a cruiser the same way again!
I wouldn't go that far, but having previously had too jump over three barrels and have to put up with regular medicals I've finally given up my HB licence that allowed me to drive an 8 tonne truck, I agree where ya coming from. I can still drive a far more dangerous combination of a motor vehicle and caravan up to legal GVM, so 6500kg thereabouts.
I reckon that over 2500kg should at least require some competency test to gain, with some form of regular appraisal, perhaps 5 yearly for seniors. 8)
Yeah well, I'm grossing from 65tn to 105tn and I don't need some dipchit loosing control in front of me. >:(
Foo
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You can always tell the difference between the locals and the bloody tourists! ::)
Foo
Funny, by the nature of this forum I think we enjoy being tourists ;D
Cheers,
Disco teddy
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Yeah well, I'm grossing from 65tn to 105tn and I don't need some dipchit loosing control in front of me. >:(
Foo
I think you mean you agree with me.
I reckon that 6 tonne can be as much a handling problem as some as 65 plus.
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Their favorite tug is a Cruza, Patrol or Prado, mustn't drive over 80 km per hour in the 100km zone ( unless in an overtaking lane) so they can conserve their fuel consumption.
See it everyday >:D
Especially on the Pathetic H/way Between Halfway Creek & Iluka.
Hey don't get me wrong, I reckon it's great that they have bought a new 'Big 4wd" to tow their big new van.
Get out their sunshine, see the country, you've worked hard to be able to afford this.
The fact that you have never driven anything bigger than a Yaris and never towed even an empty box trailer doesn't matter, you are on the trip of a life time, traveling to where ever you want.
I suggest that you travel the number one highway and take your time.
Those big shinny things that you bough so you could see the side of your van, here's a hint,
Use the bastards to see the line up of traffic that you have caused by being a mobile road block
But hey, you enjoy your travels.
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It really doesn't matter what tonnage your at.
If some AIRHEAD doesn't do the right, or correct thing.
It's all going South pretty quick.
I've seen it in a convoy I was part of, most were travelling too close.
They're vehicle's couldn't pull up in time, let alone with the added mass of their Jayco or C'van.
That's why I like travelling at the back. Gives them room to C*ck it up.
And the occasion when they did, "Not my fault, didn't see the tree in the road."
I saw it from 2 cars behind this character, as the lead vehicle went around it.
Who also mentioned it on the UHF CB channel we were using.
The lead vehicle was approx. six cars in front of him.
Would have destroyed the trip for at least the two families involved.
And I can just sail on past if I feel like it.
And type of Licence doesn't come into it, Mine's a Vic. Heavy Combination, next thing under B-Double/Road train.
It's driving for the conditions. If you cannot see, slow down till you can.
Driving faster doesn't help with the corries either, they're not evenly spaced all the time.
And it pounds the living daylights out of your vehicle.
Some people just don't have any idea, and you can't tell them either.
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I think you mean you agree with me.
I reckon that 6 tonne can be as much a handling problem as some as 65 plus.
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Yes but as you can appreciate a slightly larger scale. :)
Foo
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See it everyday >:D
Especially on the Pathetic H/way Between Halfway Creek & Iluka.
Hey don't get me wrong, I reckon it's great that they have bought a new 'Big 4wd" to tow their big new van.
Get out their sunshine, see the country, you've worked hard to be able to afford this.
The fact that you have never driven anything bigger than a Yaris and never towed even an empty box trailer doesn't matter, you are on the trip of a life time, traveling to where ever you want.
I suggest that you travel the number one highway and take your time.
Those big shinny things that you bough so you could see the side of your van, here's a hint,
Use the bastards to see the line up of traffic that you have caused by being a mobile road block
Yep, funny that, sorry I didn't see you! WTH ::)
Foo
But hey, you enjoy your travels.
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So what's the consensus here? Some are saying people are driving too fast with vans in tow, others are saying everyone should travel at the posted speed limit so as not to hold up traffic. Make your minds up please ???
I also find it funny that no matter which forum I'm on, the forum users are always well above the average when it comes to driving skills ;D
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So what's the consensus here? Some are saying people are driving too fast with vans in tow, others are saying everyone should travel at the posted speed limit so as not to hold up traffic. Make your minds up please ???
I also find it funny that no matter which forum I'm on, the forum users are always well above the average when it comes to driving skills ;D
Yep, depends on the perspective.
Put a Semi Driver on a Caravan Forum and see how long it takes for them to be at each others throats.
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I'd be nearly 3 million kms travelled so far with no major incident. I've copped one over loading fine(heavy on the drive) and two low level speeding fines. Not bad considering some people I know who have listed their license god knows how any times.
Also helps when ya dodge the cone heads too wink wink nudge nudge.
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I lived a while in the NT when there were no open road speed limits. For some perspective in these oft-repeated arguments on speed, I'd ask what was considered to be 'fast enough' on a road with no limit ???. On the other hand, if there is no posted limit, how slow is too slow?
If a guy in a HSV ute is cruisng at 160kph, and I come up behind him in my Landcruiser towing a Barra boat at 165kph, is he in the wrong for delaying my progress?
Is that scenario materially different to me cruising at 95 in a hundred zone towing a van?
As soon as I hear anyone state they are better-than-average at something, my warning radar starts making whirring noises. By definition, half of any group must be below average.
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The argument is not against those towing a van at 95, it is about not pulling over and letting those stuck behind overtake. Simple manners which not too many grey nomads have.
KB
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The argument is not against those towing a van at 95, it is about not pulling over and letting those stuck behind overtake. Simple manners which not too many grey nomads have.
KB
Something I did notice is that the grey nomads that have been travelling for sometime are pretty good. They have a uhf and use it well to communicate with drivers. Mainly out west that is. I had a yarn to a couple one afternoon doing my semi reg run and they had only been on the road for a few weeks. We got talking and they were good. They had no idea. I later ran into them at Julia Creek and they pretty much tried to tell all the other nomads they met alon the way about the tips I have them for interacting with trucks, especially on crappy roads.
So I say it is lack of education in driving/towing larger vehicle/combinations, travelling on the open highway(as most are city dwellers use to multiple lane roads) and simple road manners.
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Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.
Get over it.
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Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.
Get over it.
Huh ??? ??? ???
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I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.
Not the best endorsement of a person.... I also know people in 4WD clubs, and many of them are complete fugwits, that have poor driving skills and even worse personalities... I guess it depends on the club?
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Personally, it is less about the speed - yep, they should be willing to drive at a speed close to the limit...
What gets up my nose is that as soon as there is an overtaking lane... they speed up to 110!!!
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G'day Beatle,
I believe it is about being aware of what the traffic is doing around you.
My job now involves driving the Pathetic h/way a couple of times a day between the destinations that I mentioned earlier.
I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible. I don't have a UHF, I nearly always get the double flash of indicators from them as they go around.
Another instance which bugs me to no end, is when a vehicle is towing or not can't wait for you or the line of traffic to pass them before they pull out in front, what is will that ???
Seriously they are on holidays and can't wait a few seconds more for the traffic to pass, yet they have to do this and slow others down.
When I'm towing our camper it's the same thing.
I'm watching in my mirrors constantly to see if there are other road uses that are traveling quicker than us.
If it is a semi/B Double I will call them over the UHF to let them know that I am aware of them traveling faster than myself.
They will usually know the road and let me know when they intend on coming around.
Even if I didn't have communications with them, I still allow them pass without giving them grief.
I don't get the attitude of the majority of road uses, it's quiet selfish at times.
Hey on an up side,
I had a qlder over take on the overtaking lane yesterday, they indicator to overtake, indicator to move back in the left lane and stayed there until the lane finished then indicator to merge into the traffic. (http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/shocked.gif)
I thought to myself, wow if one can do it, there is hope for the rest of us that the others can learn too 8)
Have a good weekend guys & girls and travel safe.
:cheers:
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Not the best endorsement of a person.... I also know people in 4WD clubs, and many of them are complete fugwits, that have poor driving skills and even worse personalities... I guess it depends on the club?
Pmsl. :cup:
The argument is not against those towing a van at 95, it is about not pulling over and letting those stuck behind overtake. Simple manners which not too many grey nomads have.
KB
Agreed. It's not just grey nomads either, we got stuck behind a delica not towing, on Anzac weekend. He did 60kph from Cunningham hwy all the way to beaudesert and refused to move over, even with 2k's of traffic behind him. Arrogant prick he was.
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G'day Beatle,
I believe it is about being aware of what the traffic is doing around you.
My job now involves driving the Pathetic h/way a couple of times a day between the destinations that I mentioned earlier.
I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible. I don't have a UHF, I nearly always get the double flash of indicators from them as they go around.
Another instance which bugs me to no end, is when a vehicle is towing or not can't wait for you or the line of traffic to pass them before they pull out in front, what is will that ???
Seriously they are on holidays and can't wait a few seconds more for the traffic to pass, yet they have to do this and slow others down.
When I'm towing our camper it's the same thing.
I'm watching in my mirrors constantly to see if there are other road uses that are traveling quicker than us.
If it is a semi/B Double I will call them over the UHF to let them know that I am aware of them traveling faster than myself.
They will usually know the road and let me know when they intend on coming around.
Even if I didn't have communications with them, I still allow them pass without giving them grief.
I don't get the attitude of the majority of road uses, it's quiet selfish at times.
Hey on an up side,
I had a qlder over take on the overtaking lane yesterday, they indicator to overtake, indicator to move back in the left lane and stayed there until the lane finished then indicator to merge into the traffic. (http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/shocked.gif)
I thought to myself, wow if one can do it, there is hope for the rest of us that the others can learn too 8)
Have a good weekend guys & girls and travel safe.
:cheers:
Great work mate.
It called courtesy and common sense which appears not to be so common.
You don't get cranky, the person behind doesn't get cranky and everyone carries on with their day with just a bit less stress.
Something my old man told me years ago is if you have someone impatient behind you get them around as quick as you can safely because if they are behind you too long that's when they will get the poos and do something silly.
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Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.
Get over it.
Why should this be offensive? ??? They call themselves this when I talk to them at Grain Loading sites as they chase the seasons around. :-\
Foo
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Reminds me of this thread - http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=31263 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=31263)
Look as someone who is 68 and a very competent driver towing a camper I really resent the use of the term 'grey nomad' like this makes an incompetent driver. I bought my Cub camper off a guy who is in his 70s who had done 7 trips across the Simpson and was his $WD club training person.
Get over it.
Surely you have to see that you and the other guy are the exception to the rule. There are many many caravanners on our roads these days which is a good thing and all the best to them, however many do not understand how to set up their tow vehicle, caravan, and more importantly their own driving skills to safely tow on the road.
Then there is the other thing of common courtesy, it's the same as the cyclist debate, each side is 'right' in their right to use the road, but at times it is not about who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' it is more about modifying behaviour to avoid incidents. Such as caravanners pulling over occasionally to let people past, and other people not being in such a hurry to get around them.
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So what's the consensus here? Some are saying people are driving too fast with vans in tow, others are saying everyone should travel at the posted speed limit so as not to hold up traffic. Make your minds up please ???
I also find it funny that no matter which forum I'm on, the forum users are always well above the average when it comes to driving skills ;D
Nine times out of ten, if they loaded the trailer/van correctly, they would have no problem sitting on or close to the speed limit. In saying that, some rough sections of road they need to back off some, to keep it under control, just like me in the B-double of AB-triple.
Foo
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Why should this be offensive? ??? They call themselves this when I talk to them at Grain Loading sites as they chase the seasons around. :-\
Foo
The offence reference was to equating Grey Nomad with bad driver.
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And yet there is plenty of advice around telling those towing NOT to attempt to pull over, particularly to let road trains overtake. Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality. Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.
Look, I get as cranky as the next bloke, usually more-so, but I need to realise it's MY problem, not the other guys in more cases than not. Even unloaded on a multi-lane freeway people get the shirts because their cruise control is set to 110KPH and so is the other guy's, but one will always tend to creep up on the other. If one guy is using his speedo, the other GPS, there's another 5kph difference.
I'm old enough to remember when the Pacific Highway from Newcastle to Tweed was single lane the whole way, mostly no LH fog lines, ARMCO was a new thing, headlights were like dim candles, and there were bends sharp enough that some semi's had to stop and have two goes at negotiating. Dad smoked in the car, all trucks belched diesel, no-one had aircon except white-socked real-estate agents in LE Monaros, and we often bounced around on hot vinyl seats without a seatbelt let alone a dedicated child restraint. Lots of us died.... Yet I don't recall anywhere near the amount of 'road-rage' we see today even though road conditions are considerably better.
So-called professional drivers are no better than the average either in my opinion. Only a fortnight ago I saw a rigid-bed truck, with all the "We Value Safe Driving" stickers all over it, absolutely riding the rear bumper of a young female L-plater sitting quite legally at or near the L-plater speed limit. Seriously??? What message does that send? What if it were your daughter on her first outing onto public roads? "Professional" simply means you get paid to do it, not that you are necessarily any good at it.
I've heard V8 Supercar drivers complain about other drivers saying they are too slow and holding up proceedings? Really? Surely everyone is too slow except for the winner?
How many of us get cranky having to slow down a bit when we come up behind a loaded semi on a hill? Not many I'd guess. So why is that any different to when we come up behind a guy towing a heavy van going a bit slower than we'd like?
I guess what I'm getting at is that the biggest single factor in all this is ATTITUDE. Not road conditions, available power, skills, age, professional or amateur. These roads are in the public domain and so even if you use them to make a living, no-one has more or less right to them than the next bloke (except of course that Victorians in white commodores and all QLDers should be banned from using public roads during daylight hours............... ;D goes without saying).
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As you can see here..
The Citroen has already endo'd while connected to it's van.
The Landrover is still hanging in there
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As you can see here..
The Citroen has already endo'd while connected to it's van.
The Landrover is still hanging in there
I'm thinking "Speed" may be a factor here ;D ;D
Steffo
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I get B Doubles that are traveling faster than myself whether I be loaded or empty, so at the first chance I get I allow them to overtake me, I'll slow down on the overtaking lane so they can get around as quickly and safely as possible.
I love it when you have a 3 lane road and you have 3 trucks side by side because each one doesn't want to slow down to conserve their fuel...
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And yet there is plenty of advice around telling those towing NOT to attempt to pull over, particularly to let road trains overtake. Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality. Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.
Look, I get as cranky as the next bloke, usually more-so, but I need to realise it's MY problem, not the other guys in more cases than not. Even unloaded on a multi-lane freeway people get the shirts because their cruise control is set to 110KPH and so is the other guy's, but one will always tend to creep up on the other. If one guy is using his speedo, the other GPS, there's another 5kph difference.
I'm old enough to remember when the Pacific Highway from Newcastle to Tweed was single lane the whole way, mostly no LH fog lines, ARMCO was a new thing, headlights were like dim candles, and there were bends sharp enough that some semi's had to stop and have two goes at negotiating. Dad smoked in the car, all trucks belched diesel, no-one had aircon except white-socked real-estate agents in LE Monaros, and we often bounced around on hot vinyl seats without a seatbelt let alone a dedicated child restraint. Lots of us died.... Yet I don't recall anywhere near the amount of 'road-rage' we see today even though road conditions are considerably better.
So-called professional drivers are no better than the average either in my opinion. Only a fortnight ago I saw a rigid-bed truck, with all the "We Value Safe Driving" stickers all over it, absolutely riding the rear bumper of a young female L-plater sitting quite legally at or near the L-plater speed limit. Seriously??? What message does that send? What if it were your daughter on her first outing onto public roads? "Professional" simply means you get paid to do it, not that you are necessarily any good at it.
I've heard V8 Supercar drivers complain about other drivers saying they are too slow and holding up proceedings? Really? Surely everyone is too slow except for the winner?
How many of us get cranky having to slow down a bit when we come up behind a loaded semi on a hill? Not many I'd guess. So why is that any different to when we come up behind a guy towing a heavy van going a bit slower than we'd like?
I guess what I'm getting at is that the biggest single factor in all this is ATTITUDE. Not road conditions, available power, skills, age, professional or amateur. These roads are in the public domain and so even if you use them to make a living, no-one has more or less right to them than the next bloke (except of course that Victorians in white commodores and all QLDers should be banned from using public roads during daylight hours............... ;D goes without saying).
Well said (except the Queenslander thing)
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Slowing to a speed safe enough to pull off the road actually causes traffic to slow more, and has been the cause of more than one accident and fatality. Better to keep going and when the truck pulls out to overtake, then slow down.
as an ex truckdriver that's the biggest load of Shit I've heard...
Once the truck is out and about, you slow down to make everyones life safer - how can it not?? Sooner the truck is back in his lane, the safer it is for everyone..
And not slowing to let a semi in has also caused more than one fatality to an innocent 20/21yr old motorcyclist heading back home to his best mates 21st while coming in the opposite direction and probably numerous other car/bike riders...
RIP Darren Taylor.
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??? Lost, maybe I wasn't clear. I don't know Darren Taylor. I never said to keep your speed up with the truck in the wrong lane. Or at least I never meant to say that.
The idea is that you maintain your speed and line. If and when the road train decides to pull into the other lane to overtake (and this is often preceded by a conversation on UHF if you have one) then you slow down so the truck spends less time getting past. Give the lights a flash once the rear of the trailer is clear of your front bumper.
If you brake every time a truck appears in your mirrors, you are not long for this world.
It's also important to know that if a truck is speed-limited, it simply won't be able to increase it's speed above the legal limit to overtake you.
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Whether its a truck, someone towing a caravan / camper, I am on holidays and enjoying myself. I just go with the flow as someone will always be in front of you.
To be honest I have more problems with idiots driving on dirt roads especially up at the Cape.
Mark
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as an ex truckdriver that's the biggest load of **** I've heard...
Once the truck is out and about, you slow down to make everyones life safer - how can it not?? Sooner the truck is back in his lane, the safer it is for everyone..
And not slowing to let a semi in has also caused more than one fatality to an innocent 20/21yr old motorcyclist heading back home to his best mates 21st while coming in the opposite direction and probably numerous other car/bike riders...
RIP Darren Taylor.
Jumped up on your soap box a bit soon there lost, read the comment again.
I believe Beatle's inference is to maintain your speed, and when the truck pulls out to overtake, THEN slow down to let him past.
Exactly the point you were attempting to make, only worded more politely.
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your soap box
Shipping container??? ;D
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What gets up my nose is that as soon as there is an overtaking lane... they speed up to 110!!!
Yep, couldn't agree more, I just don't get it???
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Whether its a truck, someone towing a caravan / camper, I am on holidays and enjoying myself. I just go with the flow as someone will always be in front of you.
To be honest I have more problems with idiots driving on dirt roads especially up at the Cape.
Mark
:cup: couldn't agree more!
Cheers,
Disco teddy
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Yep, couldn't agree more, I just don't get it???
Yeah I struggle to understand this too. I sit bang on 100km with the jayco flamingo (legal towing speed here in WA), will overtake a grey nomad or three towing their mcmansion on wheels doing maybe 85km & then be tail-gated by them (maybe they're sitting in my slip stream to conserve fuel ???) only to have them pass me in an overtaking lane with a stream of traffic behind them that they don't let passed me and then sit back on 85km as soon as the lane ends. >:(
I've tried being polite for other road users and maintained sufficient distance between myself and the truck/towing vehicle in front to let one vehicle overtake safely at a time and pull in between us only to have seven vehicles try fit in that space. I give up, luckily i'm not in that much of a rush as usually heading north we'll only drive for 8-10hrs and set up camp.
Had a fuel tanker sitting right on top of me between dongara and s bend once only to realise the wife had knocked the two way to the wrong channel, soon as we got past the s bends I apologised to him and let him pass on the greenough straight stretch and ended chatting to him most of the way to geraldton on another channel (was hopeful for some discounted fuel but that didn't happen); lost him coming out of geraldton which is odd considering the gradient of some of those hills.
When I want to overtake trucks I usually get the wife to ask - they respond more positively.
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I sit bang on 100km with the jayco flamingo
Hey mate, not having a crack at you but a comment in general.
What was your actual, true, speed? Was it 100kph by your speedo? Or was 100kph by GPS?
A vehicle's speedo can be up to 10% inaccurate, by law. If you were measuring your 100kph by your speedo, you may in fact have only be doing a true 90kph.
Lots of people have GPS these days and lots of drivers know their correct and true speed and set their cruise control accordingly.
KB
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We use a "Hillspeed" in the Jeep and Falcon, couldn't tell you the last time I looked at the normal speedo. We have the Hud 09 version and aussie made. We did have an LED globe go out, but they sorted that for us free, even though the 2 year warranty was finished
Couldn't live without it these days.
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We use one of these to check speed in both our cars.
Best $129 iv'e spent in a long time.
http://mypolaris.com.au/hud/indexflash.html (http://mypolaris.com.au/hud/indexflash.html)
Cheers
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As long as all of us that get "shirty" with slow vehicles (towing or not) that dont pull over etc aren't those buffoon drivers who overtake said slow/towing vehicles only to then pull into the next servo 2km down the road. See that a lot. People in too much of a rush.
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Hey mate, not having a crack at you but a comment in general.
What was your actual, true, speed? Was it 100kph by your speedo? Or was 100kph by GPS?
A vehicle's speedo can be up to 10% inaccurate, by law. If you were measuring your 100kph by your speedo, you may in fact have only be doing a true 90kph.
Lots of people have GPS these days and lots of drivers know their correct and true speed and set their cruise control accordingly.
KB
yeah the paj is approx. 10% off what the speedo reads so I set cruise at 110km, towing in 4th on the auto box at approx 2800rpm with the power to spare. Rarely use the GPS anymore though as now I know. The wife hates it and blames the GPS for causing her to get her first speeding fine in a decade - I've just had to smile and nod on that one.
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At least she didn't blame you ;D
KB
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We use one of these to check speed in both our cars.
Best $129 iv'e spent in a long time.
http://mypolaris.com.au/hud/indexflash.html (http://mypolaris.com.au/hud/indexflash.html)
Cheers
+1 these are awesome, put it into my car before our last trip and it was awesome for 3000kms ... Well it's still probably awesome but I haven't seen my car for 2 weeks, it's still in carnarvon being repaired after a tank of crappy diesel...
Back on topic, other than those who like to speed up in over taking lanes, the main people I have trouble with on the road are those towing vans who are NOT grey nomads. It's the younger families with a huge van (sometimes hired) and no idea.
All in all, I find it's best just to get away from them, overtake if possible or slow down and let them get ahead.. Not worth ruining my holiday.
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As long as all of us that get "shirty" with slow vehicles (towing or not) that dont pull over etc aren't those buffoon drivers who overtake said slow/towing vehicles only to then pull into the next servo 2km down the road. See that a lot. People in too much of a rush.
A few years back, i was cruising down the Stuart Hwy not too far from Kulgera, traveling behind a triple. Being in a 60 series at the time and even the 12ht was no rocket :D, i was happy to drive behind him as i was going to stop at Kulgera anyway. He seemed to take offense with me sitting behind him, so he put his wheels in the dirt at the side of the road covering me in dust and gravel.
I passed and when he pulled into Kulgera a couple of minutes after me, i asked why didn't he want me behind him? 'Because having you sitting behind me put me off my book' WTF???
I made sure my food and fuel stop was quick enough to get on the highway before him
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I look at it this way. The truckies are I the payroll. I am not. I try and let them pass at the earliest convenience. When they start to overtake, I slow down.
When my 80 series had the 1HZ and loaded with everything and towing 2t, I was flat out doing 100 on the flats and any resemblance of a hill would mean I would slow down to 80 etc. It was fun as I would be able to catch up to people driving slower but never able to overtake them. Was easier just to sit behind them and use them as a wind break.
Now I have a turbo diesel in the same car, much easier to stay at 100.
On our round Australia last year, in the interest of saving $$ and not in a big hurry to get anywhere, I sat usually at 90 except for major single lane highways with lots of traffic. Crossing the nullabour, I sat on about 80. Very easy for others to overtake on that road.
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'Because having you sitting behind me put me off my book' WTF???
A lot of long distance drivers listen to talking books.
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Have had a thought about why "grey nomads" towing vans travel below the speed limit and then speed up in overtaking lanes as several have mentioned on this thread and in many other threads in the past.
It happens on any road, not just remote roads
I think its simply "Your not passing me" syndrome. Its not just fossils that do this, every prick does it.. or they pass the one slow car, then slow down - and stay in the right lane, to bollox up the 2089345203948029384029834023984 cars behind them.
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Be careful of this happening
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At the end of the day if someone is sitting on 80 or 90 what right do I have to say they are going too fast or slow? It is their rig with their own capabilities and 95% of the time they aren't going to cause an accident! just like the truck that runs out of steam on a big climb won't cause an accident or someone that speeds up and slows down won't cause an accident. They all could do this all day if no one else was on the road and no accident.
So what will cause an accident? The impatient or macho or reckless person who believes they have right of way or have some higher authority to the road use.
Most times over the length of a journey the 10 or 20 minutes you might be stuck behind someone may only cause a few minutes delay.
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Having travelled down the newell recently, the biggest problem that I came across was those towing vans sitting on 80 in the 110, which you pass them no problems they then pass you in the town when you are doing the speed limit and they don't slow down at all.
Some just don't think how long it is going to take stop if a person (especially a child runs out). I know fuel economy is important, but I'll spend a couple of extra bucks than deal with that guilt and grief.
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http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/traffic-reports/m1-banked-up-5km-after-caravan-crash-just-north-of-nerang/story-fnl6qvfc-1226905909382 (http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/traffic-reports/m1-banked-up-5km-after-caravan-crash-just-north-of-nerang/story-fnl6qvfc-1226905909382)
For some reason they like to do it here on this small stretch all the time.
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Exactly, they appear to be insecure at speed.
Along with that insecurity, they add in impatience in the Towns.
And the inability to understand the dynamics of trying to stop their vehicle combination from normal town speeds.
Not good in anybodys assessment.
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At the end of the day if someone is sitting on 80 or 90 what right do I have to say they are going too fast or slow? It is their rig with their own capabilities and 95% of the time they aren't going to cause an accident! just like the truck that runs out of steam on a big climb won't cause an accident or someone that speeds up and slows down won't cause an accident. They all could do this all day if no one else was on the road and no accident.
So what will cause an accident? The impatient or macho or reckless person who believes they have right of way or have some higher authority to the road use.
Most times over the length of a journey the 10 or 20 minutes you might be stuck behind someone may only cause a few minutes delay.
would it kill them to move over and let the 500 cars, trucks, bikes behind them past ??? they can continue on their way at their speed, and everyone else does the same.
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would it kill them to move over and let the 500 cars, trucks, bikes behind them past ??? they can continue on their way at their speed, and everyone else does the same.
My beef when I do this is penisheads won't let you back in, you have to show them up close what a Jayco fiberglass moulding looks like while your wife drives her finger nails into you!
Wank thread really. I am sure I have been that prick at the front at times when I've zoned out. Only last week was held up coming over the mountains by a tosser in Prado with O/R cub in tow obviously euphoric from his weekend away. Also had plenty of truckies who deserve a serve they ain't all saints.
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Having travelled down the newell recently, the biggest problem that I came across was those towing vans sitting on 80 in the 110, which you pass them no problems they then pass you in the town when you are doing the speed limit and they don't slow down at all.
Some just don't think how long it is going to take stop if a person (especially a child runs out). I know fuel economy is important, but I'll spend a couple of extra bucks than deal with that guilt and grief.
Exactly!! My pet hate ... I stick fairly closely to the speed limit -Everywhere .... 80 in a 60 zone presents far more risk than 110 in 100 due to the increased population present
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Ah I love the look on the young w&&kers face driving his lowered noisy bommodore when the freelander2 pulls away ahead from the lights - towing the Goldie ;) hehe
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I was following a Harley towards Jamieson a few weeks ago, about 10:30 at night. He would do 45kph on the bends and open it up on straights it was a little frustrating ....I had no chance of passing. Now I drive that road more times than I care to remember and if I was on a bike I'd let a 4wd pass and following there driving lights if I didn't know the road...not only for that but in case a hopper or deer wonder out which I often see driving through there at night.
Ok it's not a caravan related tale but it's the same principle.
I didn't lose my patience and tail gate them as there on a bike and much more vulnerable. I would have hated to be responsible for causing them to run off the road. I just sat back at let them be. I was in no rush as we both made it safely to our destination. He also had a pillion on the back.
Cheers
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I was following a Harley towards Jamieson a few weeks ago, about 10:30 at night. He would do 45kph on the bends and open it up on straights it was a little frustrating ....I had no chance of passing. Now I drive that road more times than I care to remember and if I was on a bike I'd let a 4wd pass and following there driving lights if I didn't know the road...not only for that but in case a hopper or deer wonder out which I often see driving through there at night.
Ok it's not a caravan related tale but it's the same principle.
I didn't lose my patience and tail gate them as there on a bike and much more vulnerable. I would have hated to be responsible for causing them to run off the road. I just sat back at let them be. I was in no rush as we both made it safely to our destination. He also had a pillion on the back.
Cheers
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Thank you very much, some common sense and perspective.
Cheers
Disco teddy.
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I like to look at all angles in discussions like these, not necessarily because I disagree with the general consensus, but merely to raise other points of view to see opinions or whether anyone has considered this.
So in light of that, has anyone thought about the reality of expecting a slow moving vehicle to continuously pull off to the side of a 1 lane each way road to let faster moving traffic by? There aren't many roads these days that arent busy all the time so is it fair for a vehicle that either doesnt have the power, or a driver sticking to his/her skill limits, to be doing this? Consider the status of road shoulders in general. I am not saying that people shouldnt pull over but for some drivers this could be dangerous. Merging is not a driving skill that Aussies are adept at for the most part.
People should drive to 4 things in no particular order: road & weather conditions, their own driving abilities, the limits of the vehicle they are driving taking due consideration of whether they are towing, and the quantity of traffic they are sharing the road with.
Its a lot to expect of most drivers to be on top of these things AND worry about pulling off the road every time they see a vehicle in their rear view mirror.
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It's not often that I don't drive at the speed limit. On the occasions that I don't want to, or it's not safe to, I do pull over to let following traffic pass whenever a safe opportunity presents. Heck, I even slow down on the overtaking lane! :angel:
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It's not often that I don't drive at the speed limit. On the occasions that I don't want to, or it's not safe to, I do pull over to let following traffic pass whenever a safe opportunity presents. Heck, I even slow down on the overtaking lane! :angel:
Agree 110%. It is not rocket science
KB
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It is not rocket science
It obviously is for some people ::)
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/p-plater-caught-speeding-drink-driving/story-e6frfku9-1226908306666 (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/p-plater-caught-speeding-drink-driving/story-e6frfku9-1226908306666)
A P-PLATER'S car has been impounded after he was caught allegedly driving while drunk at more than 170km/h on a Victorian freeway.
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Be careful of this happening
hows does something like this happen? Is this sort of stuff typically due to a blow out?
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hows does something like this happen? Is this sort of stuff typically due to a blow out?
It's the bow wave of the truck.
Car pushes though the bow wave it turns out to the right due to the wind, then turns back to the left as the car pushes through.
Just as this happens the wind then pushes the the van to the right & then back to the left as it brakes out the other side of the bow wave.
This starts the whole rig swaying from side to side & you end up in a big tank slap & it all ends pear shaped.
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And if he'd stayed in behind the truck.
It's been proven, he'd save fuel.
To pass a truck like that, It has to be done at low speeds.
If your not at low speeds, you have to get out away from the truck.
To minimise the effect as much as possible.
Especially if your towing a 20-30 ft. caravan with a matchbox toy.
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I'm not sure how many of your are truck drivers with real road train experience but your dog trailer will always get a wobble up at some time, passing another truck, undulating road, dropping a side along the shoulder etc etc.
You use the same principle with towing a van as a road train. If that dog trailer gets the wobbles because it hits a good bit of undulation or a side runs of the edge of the black stuff into the dirt(I'm talking about whoop whoop roads that don't have fog lines because they are too skinny) you keep the power on to pul that trailer straight, you don't touch the brakes or lift your foot of the pedal. This pulls the dog trailer straight.
Ok some one will disagree with me but this is how it is done. Turd herders(cattle trucks) have this happen to them all the time because the cattle move, they avoid running at full speed because they want a little more on the peddle to pull out of cruddy situations.
I'm not talking about blokes that run the coast, Hume or Newell Hwys, that have good roads, fog lines and shoulders. Hey even the Bruce Hwy is great prepared to the tracks that along road trains west of the ranges.
I still and will always stand behind that I think anyone towing anything bigger than a large box trailer(or camper trailer trailer size) should have to pass a separate license.
Sticko
PS Goto http://m.youtube.com/user/ozstickman (http://m.youtube.com/user/ozstickman) not great examples of roads I am talking about, as I had to concentrate on the cruddy stuff and didn't film it.
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While we all enjoying giving the Grey Nomads a hard time about their driving style, you have to keep in mind with our love of the outdoors, that in years to come there is going to be a good chance we will be in there shoes and people will be complaining about us as you have to remember as we all age, our driving style changes.
Yes we all know some people can’t tow trailers, but are they any worse than the young hoons in there doof doof cars, the amount of people driving under the influence of drugs, professional drivers who haven’t taken a break and are driving tired or us over confident males?
I’m sure we all think we have exceptional driving skills, but I’m sure at some stage over the past couple of months other drivers would disagree with our perceived exceptional driving skills!!
Okay, flam suit on.
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You're dead right sticko., I used to run triples around Kalgoolie with Doug Goulds mob and some times it only took a small pot hole to send the third trailer over the other side of the road. I used to enjoy watching people come up behind me and sit there for quite a while working up the nerve to pass. Just as they did I'd hit a bump and the whole lot wood get the jim jams up.
What I have learnt after too many kms to think about is that bad drivers come in all shapes and sizes. It is easy to single out one particular genre.
I like to look at all angles in discussions like these, not necessarily because I disagree with the general consensus, but merely to raise other points of view to see opinions or whether anyone has considered this.
So in light of that, has anyone thought about the reality of expecting a slow moving vehicle to continuously pull off to the side of a 1 lane each way road to let faster moving traffic by? There aren't many roads these days that arent busy all the time so is it fair for a vehicle that either doesnt have the power, or a driver sticking to his/her skill limits, to be doing this? Consider the status of road shoulders in general. I am not saying that people shouldnt pull over but for some drivers this could be dangerous. Merging is not a driving skill that Aussies are adept at for the most part.
People should drive to 4 things in no particular order: road & weather conditions, their own driving abilities, the limits of the vehicle they are driving taking due consideration of whether they are towing, and the quantity of traffic they are sharing the road with.
Its a lot to expect of most drivers to be on top of these things AND worry about pulling off the road every time they see a vehicle in their rear view mirror.
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I used to enjoy watching people come up behind me and sit there for quite a while working up the nerve to pass. Just as they did I'd hit a bump and the whole lot wood get the jim jams up.
Sounds like your a model citizen on the roads. I'd far rather sit behind a grey nomad on 85 than some spastic hitting potholes because they enjoy seeing what happens to people behind them ???
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for you information komaterpiller, I am was not a "spastic hitting pot holes" for fun. The roads north of Kalgoolie were barely wide enough for two trucks to pass let alone try to dodge any undulation that would send the rear trailer off path.
But thanks for your thoughts anyway.
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Here's the video for the caravan rollover.
http://youtu.be/9SsSZVTanqQ (http://youtu.be/9SsSZVTanqQ)
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Sounds like your a model citizen on the roads. I'd far rather sit behind a grey nomad on 85 than some spastic hitting potholes because they enjoy seeing what happens to people behind them ???
I didn't think he was implying he was deliberately hitting potholes.
And the outback hasn't got the only ordinary roads.
Highway 1 in the middle of town where I work (only 2 hours from Melbourne) has a dip in the left of the left lane which will see the back (B double) trailer at anything more than 30km/h leave black yaw marks on the tarmac as it Jim Jams (never heard of that. I like it ;D) about a foot either side of it's true line. Seems to be a regular occurance of people calling in complaining about these "faulty" trucks. They travel in the right lane through this spot when they can, much to the dismay of the general traveling public.
Even one of the main roads where I live (a regular heavy vehicle detour to Highway will see even little 25t 3 axle dogs "jim jaming" ;D ;D for kms at a time, from over the fog line to over the centre line at times (although the 2 lines are lucky to be 2.5m apart :angel:).
Peter
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I'm not sure how many of your are truck drivers with real road train experience but your dog trailer will always get a wobble up at some time, passing another truck, undulating road, dropping a side along the shoulder etc etc.
You use the same principle with towing a van as a road train. If that dog trailer gets the wobbles because it hits a good bit of undulation or a side runs of the edge of the black stuff into the dirt(I'm talking about whoop whoop roads that don't have fog lines because they are too skinny) you keep the power on to pul that trailer straight, you don't touch the brakes or lift your foot of the pedal. This pulls the dog trailer straight.
Ok some one will disagree with me but this is how it is done. Turd herders(cattle trucks) have this happen to them all the time because the cattle move, they avoid running at full speed because they want a little more on the peddle to pull out of cruddy situations.
I'm not talking about blokes that run the coast, Hume or Newell Hwys, that have good roads, fog lines and shoulders. Hey even the Bruce Hwy is great prepared to the tracks that along road trains west of the ranges.
I still and will always stand behind that I think anyone towing anything bigger than a large box trailer(or camper trailer trailer size) should have to pass a separate license.
Sticko
PS Goto http://m.youtube.com/user/ozstickman (http://m.youtube.com/user/ozstickman) not great examples of roads I am talking about, as I had to concentrate on the cruddy stuff and didn't film it.
Or if towing a van a gentle bit of manual trailer brake (same effect)
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Or if towing a van a gentle bit of manual trailer brake (same effect)
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That can work too. Doesn't work when you have more than one trailer but.
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Here's the video for the caravan rollover.
http://youtu.be/9SsSZVTanqQ (http://youtu.be/9SsSZVTanqQ)
Love how his brake lights come on just before it goes crazy...
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Love how his brake lights come on just before it goes crazy...
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Geez Zars, that would of put a stain in his jocks
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Well as they say, "you learn something new everyday"
I didnt know thers were so many perfect drivers on here >:D
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Well as they say, "you learn something new everyday"
I didnt know thers were so many perfect drivers on here >:D
Here's a few regular acts that I reckon 75% of us are guilty of:
1. Tailgating
2. Fail to indicate
3. Run red light at intersection with interminably long wait between green lights.
4. Instead of joining a queue to turn you drive up the other lane almost to the turn point then stick indicator on and either just push in or stop (& thus block your own lane) and wait till someone lets you in.
5. Text/talk on mobile phone while driving (bucket loads of people still do this)
6. Park in handicap bay without being handicapped.
7. Pull out in front of moving traffic causing you to slow down despite NOONE being behind you.
etc etc
Now my point is (and I'm getting back to topic!) that the common thread to all of these acts is selfishness of the driver (ie you, me and everyone else): we all need to take a backward step at times and recognise that just because WE want to drive faster than the next person doesn't mean THEY have to do everything possible to please US.
We all have equal rights to use the road. Obviously a driver of a slow vehicle or one that will be towing should try to avoid being on the road at peak times, but if they want to go somewhere, and their vehicle, trailer set up etc is safe & legal, then they have a right to the road as much as anyone else and should not be forced into either middle of the night transit or a continuous stop/start journey just so everyone else can drive at their desired speed.
It comes down to being less selfish, more patient and changing priorities. I always thought it was better to get where you are going SAFELY (ie alive and unscathed) rather than in record time. There will always be people who wish to drive faster than us.
2 lane roads, yes by all means stick to the left always, 1 lane roads with wide or smoothly graded shoulders yes pull over OCCASIONALLY but not for EVERY vehicle, and where roads are worse bad luck to the rest of us we will just have to wait for a safe overtaking spot or lane. And if there are none and the vehicle in front is super slow then there's NOTHING we can do about it (except rant on myswag!)
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Touche!
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What about clowns in 4 wheel drives and pickup trucks ... bit of a worry that.
(http://thedogsofbeer.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/clown-truck.jpg?w=600&h=286)
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I like to look at all angles in discussions like these, not necessarily because I disagree with the general consensus, but merely to raise other points of view to see opinions or whether anyone has considered this.
So in light of that, has anyone thought about the reality of expecting a slow moving vehicle to continuously pull off to the side of a 1 lane each way road to let faster moving traffic by? There aren't many roads these days that arent busy all the time so is it fair for a vehicle that either doesnt have the power, or a driver sticking to his/her skill limits, to be doing this? Consider the status of road shoulders in general. I am not saying that people shouldnt pull over but for some drivers this could be dangerous. Merging is not a driving skill that Aussies are adept at for the most part.
People should drive to 4 things in no particular order: road & weather conditions, their own driving abilities, the limits of the vehicle they are driving taking due consideration of whether they are towing, and the quantity of traffic they are sharing the road with.
Its a lot to expect of most drivers to be on top of these things AND worry about pulling off the road every time they see a vehicle in their rear view mirror.
totally agree.
no way am I putting my wheels in the dirt just to let someone pass.
they may save a couple of minutes for their trip to wherever, but im expected to sacrifice safety of my family for their couple of minutes?
at the end of the day, all vehicles are slower than something else - try sitting on any highway anywhere with cruise on (not towing) and on the speed limit. if you're not sitting in the far right, prepare to brake and adjust your speed constantly - and even if in the right and overtaking slower vehicles, there are always people in the far right who cant maintain adequate speed.
it may be selfish, but I will only allow faster vehicles to pass if my safety is not jeopardised in any way - that's my first responsibility.
if I drive consistently and within my capabilities, yet slower than the speed limit, surely this allows other road users to make their own decisions according to their level of capability and appetite for risk.
and no - im not a grey nomad!
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What about clowns in 4 wheel drives and pickup trucks ... bit of a worry that.
(http://thedogsofbeer.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/clown-truck.jpg?w=600&h=286)
McDonalds Franchise Owner's meeting by the looks of that.
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Here's a few regular acts that I reckon 75% of us are guilty of:
6. Park in handicap bay without being handicapped.
That's one thing i have never done or ever will do
However, i have no respect for the 'pram' parks >:D
Or there are the wider parking bays in Burnside shopping centre for the people that can't drive/park a 4wd ::)
Cheers
John
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A few years back, i was cruising down the Stuart Hwy not too far from Kulgera, traveling behind a triple. Being in a 60 series at the time and even the 12ht was no rocket :D, i was happy to drive behind him as i was going to stop at Kulgera anyway. He seemed to take offense with me sitting behind him, so he put his wheels in the dirt at the side of the road covering me in dust and gravel.
I passed and when he pulled into Kulgera a couple of minutes after me, i asked why didn't he want me behind him? 'Because having you sitting behind me put me off my book' WTF???
I made sure my food and fuel stop was quick enough to get on the highway before him
Speaking from my perspective on this, they normally site about 10' off the back of me where, I can't see them. >:D If you sit back about four or five car lengths, I can see you anytime I look in my mirror and that is best for all. ;) I don't need to be driving for you as well as I have enough on my plate, trying to control 65-105tn of truck and trailers. ;D
If you have a UHF, just call up and say I'm going to sit back behind you and is this distance good. :cheers:
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Sounds like your a model citizen on the roads. I'd far rather sit behind a grey nomad on 85 than some spastic hitting potholes because they enjoy seeing what happens to people behind them ???
You need to read that again Mate! ::) You obviously have no idea, of what B-doubles, normal Road Trains and AB-triples do when they hit pot holes, undulations and move off the road. ;)
Foo
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You need to read that again Mate! ::) You obviously have no idea, of what B-doubles, normal Road Trains and AB-triples do when they hit pot holes, undulations and move off the road. ;)
Foo
Id like to see all drivers forced to get some form of permit/truck license and bike license the before they are allowed to get car license.. that way they know how it all works.
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So many driving heroes here, absolute wank thread.
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So many driving heroes here, absolute wank thread.
:cheers:
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So many driving heroes here, absolute wank thread.
You obviously know a lot about it but then again, what's a life lost through stupidity on behalf of fools? ???
Foo
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Another thread turned into drivel
Swannie
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Another thread turned into drivel
Swannie
Yep, it had to go to crap sooner or later. ;D
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Yep, it had to go to crap sooner or later. ;D
And the mods are all on holiday! Not a blue light in sight! :police:
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And the mods are all on holiday! Not a blue light in sight! :police:
Oh cool, bombing run coming up.....
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Yep, it had to go to crap sooner or later. ;D
And no mention of Lycra or 6B&S. ;D
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6B&S
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(http://www.hairfysh.com/images/Icons/Smileys/deadhorse.gif)
:cheers:
BTW that's not directed at you Kev.
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Hows ya Hand "Hairs".
Any Blisters, or is it just a wee bit pink?
That'll teach ya, Use kero, not woof wood.
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And what drugs are you on ???
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And what drugs are you on ???
LMAO :cup:
KB
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We've all taken turns at floggin the dead horse.
We could've just set fire to it instead.
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Huh?
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Landcrab !!!
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You know at the end of the day we can point our fingers in all direction as much as we like. Caravaners, motor cyclists, truck drivers, 4WDers, Volvo drivers, Victorians, taxi's, bowling hat brigade etc etc etc...makes absolutely no difference. The fact of the matter is, in this country at least, everyone is as bad as each other.
We are not taught how to drive, we are taught how to pass a test. We are conditioned to think that driving is a right, not a privilege. Everyone is so caught up in their own self importance, they forget that there are other road users out there with equal rights and equal priorities. Somewhere in this whole argument, that simple fact has been forgotten.
It will make absolutely no difference having a whinge about the one time someone did something to you on the road when the truth be known, because of the very nature of drivers in this country, we have probably all been guilty of pissing someone else off at some point adding to yet another stereotype...! We probably all do it every single time we get behind the wheel of the car or what ever it is we drive.
If there's one thing I've learned after 28 years of pulling people out of wrecked vehicles, with the exception of the over-representation of 16-22 YO males, the black top boogie man does not discriminate.
Petty, ill-conceived arguments on this forum are not going to make one iota of difference. Real cultural change might.
A wise man once said...He who is without sin....
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Good on ta Darcy. Couldn't have put it better myself :cup: :cup:
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We are not taught how to drive, we are taught how to pass a test. We are conditioned to think that driving is a right, not a privilege.
Totally with you.
Petty, ill-conceived arguments on this forum are not going to make one iota of difference. Real cultural change might.
Gotta agree with you again, but where does it start,
How we are taught to drive, the responsibility of holding a drivers license.
A wise man once said...He who is without sin....
Most wouldn't have a clue what this actually means.
Driving the pacific H/way everyday, sometimes twice between Grafton & Iluka, it amazes me that there aren't more accidents.
The speed limit at Tyndal has dropped to 80kph, this is due to the accidents that have occurred there with caravans, cars, pulling out onto the highway due to the high speed of 100kph.
IMHO it is due to most motorists can not judge speed or distance and they are impatient.
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Totally with you.Most wouldn't have a clue what this actually means.
Driving the pacific H/way everyday, sometimes twice between Grafton & Iluka, it amazes me that there aren't more accidents.
The speed limit at Tyndal has dropped to 80kph, this is due to the accidents that have occurred there with caravans, cars, pulling out onto the highway due to the high speed of 100kph.
IMHO it is due to most motorists can not judge speed or distance and they are impatient.
Hair's I think you'll find they operate under a delusion.
They seem to think the most important, overriding fact, they're being hit from behind.
If they were to actually consider their situation. Instead of this Fairy Tale.
They would be looking down the barrel of a FAIL TO GIVE WAY INFRINGEMENT.
I don't know what that costs in your end of the World.
Down Here in Vic. it's the same as an unreg. vehicle, crossing double lines etc. Top of the List.
If the oncoming vehicle has to swerve or brake to avoid a collision that's good enough.
Especially if they come out of a parking spot, or from behind a Stop or a Give way sign.
If you join a line of Traffic from a side street or a parking spot/area.
It's supposed to happen smoothly.
No hiccups, no screaming tyres, no making others give you room.
Every one is supposed to get to the end of their trip without Grief.
I also agree with Darcy.
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There seems to be a culture here in NSW to blame the road for all accidents and not the incompetence of the driver.
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Not Just N.S.W.
Down Here, they get complaints.
They fix the road, new surface, new camber, new barriers alongside the road.
They throw Millions at it. Then they LOWER the Speed Limit for the new area.
It just doesn't compute.
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This week has been one of the worst I've seen! What is so hard to have those mirror extensions placed on you car? ??? That with the number of drivers, that have night blindness ( your eyes star up with oncoming lights) so they continually slow down every time a car/truck/motorbike comes the other way, has just been stupid! >:D If you have this problem, get off the bloody road by dark, don't be a danger to all around you. ::)
Foo
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It just doesn't compute.
It's pandering to the lowest common denominator 8)
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bowling hat brigade etc etc etc
You reminded me of a funny thing I saw,
I was heading to a job in the small community I live in, heading along the only road to home. It's only 13k at 90kph limit. I was following a car sitting bang on 70 and as I wanted to be somewhere it was driving me nuts, no chance to pass so I was stuck at 70 too.
There were a couple of Blue rinses in the back with their bowls gear on and their white hats were facing each other chatting away quite happily, their blokes were occupying the front probably doing the same.
Out of town the speed limit drops to 70, then along a little further it is 50. They still maintained 70. I know I was doing 70 in the 50 too, by now I was fascinated.
There is a speed hump that I take at 40 so slowed for that.
Blue rinses and hubby's went over it at 70, the old girls heads both must hit the roof with such force... well I am sorry for their pain and hubby's sore ears from the bashing.
But fair go I laughed, all my frustration disappeared in that instant.
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Last week the circus travelled up to cairns, so clowns towing vans!
Regards
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We have the same trouble with clowns here in Vic. Ran into a bloke I know from Queensland and his first comment was " gee , it's cold down here ". He was born and bred in Vic , lived in Qland for five years came down to see family and whinged that it's cold in the middle of winter in Vic.
Sorry , wrong post. He towed his van down , does that count. ???
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I love the title of this thread. Makes me giggle every time. I can just see bozo and all his clown mates jumping in their beetle with a van behind.
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We have the same trouble with clowns here in Vic. Ran into a bloke I know from Queensland and his first comment was " gee , it's cold down here ". He was born and bred in Vic , lived in Qland for five years came down to see family and whinged that it's cold in the middle of winter in Vic.
Sorry , wrong post. He towed his van down , does that count. ???
Um no! :P
Foo