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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: rockman on December 19, 2013, 05:51:00 PM
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These http://www.miragerv.com.au/index.html (http://www.miragerv.com.au/index.html) look quite interesting .
Seems to tick all the right boxes anyway . :cup:
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they look like nice units
Swannie
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yeah ... I like the bed arrangment for the kids
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Any idea on price?
Cheers
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briefly glimpsed one of these on the back of truck yesterday. Must say it do look worthy of a more leisurely look
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Think I might go and have a drool at one.
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Any idea on price?
Cheers
X10 Specifications Oasis Nomad Arid
PRICE - GST INCL $52,500.00 $39,950.00 $32,950.00
Download the brochure gives you all the details
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In operation video Mirage Hard Floor Camper Trailer Opening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnAwe33dnJg#ws)
Another videoette further down page on the suspension .
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a bit on their new campers starting soon
Hi All you avid campers, earlier this year we ran a program for customers to participate, called the MRV-CP and had a huge response. We sold out these campers within a few weeks. We are now running a second program for the Soft Floor Campers:
The Addax
The Cobra
The Scorpion
Starting at $18,500.00 these are the state of the art Off road Campers built tuff in Oz by Ozzies for Oz conditions. Based on the same chassis as the Oasis, Nomad and Arid these campers are a breeze to set up and are bullet proof.
In a range of Colours that are unique to Mirage RV.
We are looking for 20 Customers to partner with and will provide huge financial incentives and a 3 year unlimited warranty with discounted upgrades to our Customer Partners. The last camper we offered sold out in 16 days so if you are intrested please be quick!!
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I like it
But when are will these guys realise that suspension on a single axle trailer doesn't articulate? The articulation happens at the hitch
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"The new MIRAGE Hard Floor Camper range has been released in July 2013.
iLevel System - Suspension Technology
This all-new design has a revolutionary suspension system operating on Air Bag springs that give far better road holding characteristics, much smoother operation and superior off road articulation.
Unlike anything you have ever seen before, the new ilevel System (ILS) is the next generation of Camper Trailer suspension technology."
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One went past me the other day. The orange paint made it stand out. Thought it was just another fancy painted import. Not a lot of detail on their website but it does say they are Aussie made with Aussie canvas.
KB
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That's one nice camper. That design is getting very popular.
I like the kitchen.
Mark
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That's one nice camper. That design is getting very popular.
I like the kitchen.
Mark
a bit different to the rest eh ?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge independent suspension/ airbag fan, but the geometry of the Mirage suspension makes me cringe.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge independent suspension/ airbag fan, but the geometry of the Mirage suspension makes me cringe.
just curious ... what makes it wrong ?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge independent suspension/ airbag fan, but the geometry of the Mirage suspension makes me cringe.
PRICE - GST INCL $52,500.00 makes me cringe.. actually laugh.
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I like it
But when are will these guys realise that suspension on a single axle trailer doesn't articulate? The articulation happens at the hitch
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"The new MIRAGE Hard Floor Camper range has been released in July 2013.
iLevel System - Suspension Technology
This all-new design has a revolutionary suspension system operating on Air Bag springs that give far better road holding characteristics, much smoother operation and superior off road articulation.
Unlike anything you have ever seen before, the new ilevel System (ILS) is the next generation of Camper Trailer suspension technology."
I'm no expert and am more than happy to be proven wrong but I thought with independent suspension the articulation referred to occurred from side to side as in for example moguls? I thought this is where the 'advantage' lies with independent setups?
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Just my opinion but I think that the tent section at the bottom of the beds is a bit small.
I prefer to have the floor space…. To me thats the whole purpose of having a camper trailer.
Just saying.
Vic.
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I have a problem with the suspension.
All independent trailing arm suspensions have a very low roll centre - much lower that for a solid axle - which means a tendency for the body to lean over holus-bolus rather than simply to lean this way or that around a roll axis somewhere above the chassis.
Combine that with a suspension that has the air springs miles inboard and I start to get nervous. All springs should be located as close as possible to the wheel. My concern is that, if you got a sway up in this trailer when heavily loaded, it may be very hard to recover. I'd also expect an enormous amount of body roll, which may be offset to some extent by the big water tanks down low.
For these reasons I don't fancy the suspension - regardless of how well it rides. looks like a lovely unit though.
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I had a look at these a while ago on the net and they dont give you alot of info and pics.
I requested some pictures of the storage areas and they emailed me the same pics in their website.
I too am a little dubious of the suspention set up as i worry if you have issues in the bush how do you fix it. As mentioned earlier the distance from the wheel hub to the airbag also does not look right. I am no expert though.
They also have a Facebook page with some more pics. They do look good though, seem to have alot of features.
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She's a pretty swanky looking unit that's for sure, As others have mentioned though, there's not a great deal of info on their site about a lot of areas; I'd also be a bit concerned about their warranty conditions:
Every Mirage Recreational Vehicle is built under strict Australian quality control standards and inspection. Each tent is individually checked before shipping or fitting to the trailer.
We offer a 12 months warranty excluding, zippers, clips, screens and tie down points.
Any warranty claim must be submitted in writing accompanied by photographs of the defective part. All shipping charges for the return of faulty products must be paid for by the customer. Please do not return goods without our written authority to do so.
We do not cover items for warranty if the warranty claim arrives out of misuse, accidental damage, overloading, incorrect fitting, or using it for purposes other than for which it was designed.
In the event of us accepting a warranty claim, we reserve the right to repair, replace or provide a full refund, less shipping charges if any.
Jason
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She's a pretty swanky looking unit that's for sure, As others have mentioned though, there's not a great deal of info on their site about a lot of areas; I'd also be a bit concerned about their warranty conditions:
Jason
funny how people look at things , when I read about the warranty , I thought it was very professinal , at least you can see what is on offer
having been severly screwed over a while ago over a warranty issue , I like things to be black and white
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just curious ... what makes it wrong ?
As Keith says, the airbags have to be further out towards the wheel. If they came out with the option of Vehicle Components suspension, I would probably have one in my shed by now.
Regards
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As Keith says, the airbags have to be further out towards the wheel. If they came out with the option of Vehicle Components suspension, I would probably have one in my shed by now.
Regards
Keith / Diesel Power , without wanting to start an argument , what background do you come from to have the knowledge to comment regards the suspenion ?.... not being funny ... I don't have that sort of knowledge myself and always keen to learn things
i think that they had done alot of testing prior to releasing it onto a trailer and also they come from an mechincal engineering background
spoken to 2 owners and they are saying that the suspenion seems to work a treat
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PRICE - GST INCL $52,500.00 makes me cringe.. actually laugh.
Not a problem if you can't afford one, but I'd say if this trailer is top quality, then that top of the range model will sell well.....
A lot of people these days like all the bells and whistles ( I personally don't see the need )......so if they market it right, and it is made well with quality fittings, then the price seems about right..
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TJM Hunter Valley will be selling these in the new year
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Hi Rockman,
I have a very dated degree in Industrial Engineering, have spent a lot of time studying trailer suspension design and have built a few trailers myself over the years. I am sure that the suspension in these new campers works beautifully.
My point is that springs located well inboard and a suspension with a very low roll centre are not, at least in my opinion, a good combination for stability when everything goes pear shaped on the road.
I am sure that there are plenty of rigs on the road that have not encountered their potential instability problems because the combination of conditions required to induce an uncrecoverable sway have not yet presented themselves. Like loading the thing the wrong way, tyre deflation at speed, crosswinds and road bumps at the same moment, instability in the towing vehicle and and a combination of one or more of these at the same time.
These things don't seem to matter much for very light trailers. But with modern, well equipped campers now getting up over 1500kg or more loaded, we have a whole new ball game with suspension design.
Keith
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Hi Rockman,
I have a very dated degree in Industrial Engineering, have spent a lot of time studying trailer suspension design and have built a few trailers myself over the years. I am sure that the suspension in these new campers works beautifully.
My point is that springs located well inboard and a suspension with a very low roll centre are not, at least in my opinion, a good combination for stability when everything goes pear shaped on the road.
I am sure that there are plenty of rigs on the road that have not encountered their potential instability problems because the combination of conditions required to induce an uncrecoverable sway have not yet presented themselves. Like loading the thing the wrong way, tyre deflation at speed, crosswinds and road bumps at the same moment, instability in the towing vehicle and and a combination of one or more of these at the same time.
These things don't seem to matter much for very light trailers. But with modern, well equipped campers now getting up over 1500kg or more loaded, we have a whole new ball game with suspension design.
Keith
fair enough .. thanks for the reply
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Time will tell.
Too many bells and whistles for me.
'shakey'
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Gotta say in my opinion they look the goods, and after dealing with airbags for the last 20 odd years can't really see any problems with the set up.
And really people as for listed prices, serious buyers will always move a salesman on this, otherwise there wouldn't be too many brand new four wheel drives getting around would there. Brand new anything for that matter.
Look forward to seeing one of these in the flesh, it just seems like something new and different. A bit of a fresh breeze so to sp :cheers:
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I was just having a look at these Mirage RV campers and found something strange on their web page. I went to have a look at what models they offer and noticed that the images appear to be of the new model Pioneer CT's. http://www.miragerv.com.au/models (http://www.miragerv.com.au/models) vs http://www.pioneercampers.com/ (http://www.pioneercampers.com/)
The rest of the website has plenty of pictures a different model of camper. Anyone understand what that's about? Are they related companies?
Mike
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I was in their workshop yesterday. Very impressive bit of gear. :cup:
Although I didn't have time to climb all over it, what I did see, (about half a dozen in various stages of completion) was pretty damn cool.
Shane.
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yes ... i would agree .. nice camper
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I was just having a look at these Mirage RV campers and found something strange on their web page. I went to have a look at what models they offer and noticed that the images appear to be of the new model Pioneer CT's. http://www.miragerv.com.au/models (http://www.miragerv.com.au/models) vs http://www.pioneercampers.com/ (http://www.pioneercampers.com/)
The rest of the website has plenty of pictures a different model of camper. Anyone understand what that's about? Are they related companies?
Mike
Maybe they used the pioneer images as examples when designing the website layout but forgot to replace them with their own mirage photos before the website went live?
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The one thing missing though that I would like is some bench/preparation space in the kitchen.
I like to have somewhere handy to put ingredients and utensils etc... when cooking.
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The one thing missing though that I would like is some bench/preparation space in the kitchen.
I like to have somewhere handy to put ingredients and utensils etc... when cooking.
Sliding bench is an option. Look's pretty good.
Renno :cheers:
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I was just having a look at these Mirage RV campers and found something strange on their web page. I went to have a look at what models they offer and noticed that the images appear to be of the new model Pioneer CT's. http://www.miragerv.com.au/models (http://www.miragerv.com.au/models) vs http://www.pioneercampers.com/ (http://www.pioneercampers.com/)
The rest of the website has plenty of pictures a different model of camper. Anyone understand what that's about? Are they related companies?
Mike
Website looks a bit dodgy - the miragerv.com.au that is... The pics on the model page do not show he same camper as the gallery page... hope that the quality of the Web page is no indication for the quality of the product.
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Sliding bench is an option. Look's pretty good.
Renno :cheers:
Thanks Renno, good to know. I didn't look at the options as I assumed it should have been a standard inclusion :-\
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Website looks a bit dodgy - the miragerv.com.au that is... The pics on the model page do not show he same camper as the gallery page... hope that the quality of the Web page is no indication for the quality of the product.
Think its the same website designer. Pretty sure they will have a new website up soon. Last time I spoke to George he was under the pump with a huge amount of interest. I was very impressed with the quality when we had a look.
Renno :cheers:
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Would love to hear from anyone that has actually taken delivery of one, would be good to listen to some feedback on what they think of both the trailer and what the crew is like to deal with.
Am keen but want to hear more before I even think of spending the $$$$$ on the unknown.
:cheers: Big D
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I was just researching mirage campers to find out about them and BANG ... look at this, maybe i should take my money elsewhere , has anyone put down a depoist or brought one yet ?
"Prestige Offroad & Prestige Sunroofs
February 27
Hi everyone, please be advised that we are no longer a dealer of Mirage RV Camper trailers and we have initiated legal action. Persons have contacted us in an effort to see if we can assist them in any way as they have very similar stories to tell. While we are happy to hear anybody elses experiences, I am afraid we cannot assist. We regret deeply any inconvenience and hardship and hope our past advocacy has not been a part of it"
Just curious.
:cheers: Big D
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No surprises there.
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I just had a look around on the web site, be nice if there was a bit more information on it.
The FB site mentions a fire in the work shop.
Remember, there is always 2 side to an argument, could be wrong to make assumptions about these CT's due to a legal argument. Be a shame that a new innovative camper fails from this.
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Too True DaveR, that's why it would be nice to hear from those who have one sitting in the driveway.
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I just had a look around on the web site, be nice if there was a bit more information on it.
The FB site mentions a fire in the work shop.
Remember, there is always 2 side to an argument, could be wrong to make assumptions about these CT's due to a legal argument. Be a shame that a new innovative camper fails from this.
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WITHOUT PREJUDICE
To the people that have personal messaged me regarding my decision not to continue with my purchase of a Mirage Rv Camper Trailer , I cannot make any comments .
It was my decision to terminate the agreement for that company to build my camper trailer .
I have made no threats in terms of disparaging their company name due to my change of mind with the camper purchase .
I will not and have not made any defamatory comments on any forums or web sites .
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Uh? OK I guess.
What's going on here.
Another manufacturer going burst?
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Damn, maybe they meant trying to put out bushfires hey!
The PLOT thickens.............
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Hi All
Just new to this MS.org
I have had a Mirage for 8 months. I got one of the first CP campers. Had a few issues but nothing too serious. Battery failed and one of the LEDs stopped working inside. Had it fixed pretty quick too. I have just heard about the Fire. Booked in to have a couple of upgrades. Got a message back they are moving into a new factory.
Anyone know any more?
Judd
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Welcome to My Swag Judd ...
why don't you tell us a bit about yourself ?, thats the norm around as a normal intro
i see you have had your mirage camper for 8 months , in all that time you must have had some great experiences in it , why don't you post up some pic's of your camper and where you have been ? :worthles:
which model do you have , tell us about all the opitions you have in it ?
they are a great trailer aren't they , i wish i was still getting one 8(
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Hey Judd welcome to my swag, great to see someone with a Mirage.
Would love to see some pics, you must have some from your adventures since taking delivery?
Was thinking of one, and was looking forward to seeing one up here in the north, but for some reason Rockmans not getting his now.
How are they to deal with? Hope you don't mind the questions just like to find out.
Cheers Big D.
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Hi All
Just new to this MS.org
I have had a Mirage for 8 months. I got one of the first CP campers. Had a few issues but nothing too serious. Battery failed and one of the LEDs stopped working inside. Had it fixed pretty quick too. I have just heard about the Fire. Booked in to have a couple of upgrades. Got a message back they are moving into a new factory.
Anyone know any more?
Judd
Hi Judd,
Welcome mate, Love to see some Pics of your camper they do look the goods...
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Judd seems to have disappeared ... I was keen to hear his experiences with the trailer and see some pic's .
Some of the up-grades look good , be interesting to see what he gets done .
Wonder if anyone else is going to selling these trailers ?
Would love to hear anyone's experience with them ...
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Don't get shy on us Judd, some of us are keen to read peoples real life experience with this camper.
Some set up pics would be nice too..
I believe you may be the first person on this forum with a Mirage Camper
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Don't get shy on us Judd, some of us are keen to read peoples real life experience with this camper.
Some set up pics would be nice too..
I believe you may be the first person on this forum with a Mirage Camper
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X3
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Perhaps the most aptly named camper of all time :angel:
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Anyone got anything to say about the Conquerer?
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I might be risk averse, but between the mirage and the conqueror I would choose the conqueror anytime...seems to have much more substance to it...
I briefly looked at the mirage, but was not convinced.
Cheers,
Thomas
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Hi Guys, I am new to the forum and have been looking at the Mirage and the Conquerer. Is there something I should know? Reading between the lines, it would appear that Judd is not for real? Can anyone clarify? ???
Who knows, he hasn't been back on since that one post was made. Perhaps send a PM to get a further opinion from him, a notice will be sent to his email address so he should at least know then someone wants to contact him.
Let us know how you go.
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Anyone got anything to say about the Conquerer?
Not sure where your located, but their factory is in Brisbane and they had about 30 of them there in various stages of fit out when I picked mine up from getting some mods done today.
I'm sure they'd be happy to show anyone around the workshop.
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Yep, conquerer, mate has a UEV 490. Beautiful camper and he loves it. Don't mind it myself, but being a bigger bloke wanted a bit more room.
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Perhaps the most aptly named camper of all time :angel:
touché....
I think I see it in the below picture right in the middle.........
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Ha, whoops. Onya Wilson.
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Hi everyone, I am associated with Prestige Offroad in Burwood Victoria. I currently have two Mirage campers on order, one that has been paid for in full and one that a 20% deposit has been paid on back in December, 2013. That agreement has been ended but
suffice to say we have not recieved our campers or our money back at the time of this posting. As time draws on, more information will be provided be it positive or negative, but it will always be factual. judd1963, how is it you have got one? :police:
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The plot thickens!!
Might be a good idea to stay away from these campers i think.
I think Judd has decided to also not comment any further so I am wondering if he too has issues that he or she are trying to sort out?
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Maybe Judd has a different reason for his shyness?
Couldn't get much thicker.
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The plot thickens!!
Might be a good idea to stay away from these campers i think.
I think Judd has decided to also not comment any further so I am wondering if he too has issues that he or she are trying to sort out?
To be fair, judd hasn't visited the forum since the 9th which is probably why he hasn't commented.
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Perhaps it could be time for the folk who make this camper to be made aware of this forum and they offer some comments in reply.
Everyone is entitled to their side of the story, especially as it doesn't seem very good so far.
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Have you ever thought that maybe they are aware and are watching as we type?
That's the one problem with forums, I use my name, others don't......
Anyhow that's me for now....... :cheers: Big D
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Oh dear
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Might be a good idea to stay away from these campers i think.
Did you just work that out?
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No action on the Mirage facebook page since before Christmas but a new post this morning. Interesting reading. Another side to the story. Oh, and I have no interest either way.
KB
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Very interesting KB.
"Social media vendetta"
Doesn't sound like us.
Tread carefully with comments me thinks.
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No action on the Mirage facebook page since before Christmas but a new post this morning. Interesting reading. Another side to the story. Oh, and I have no interest either way.
Can you repost here for those of us with Facebook?
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So what I get from that response is, someone is lying. Who that is only they know. Feel sorry for anyone involved
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Unfortunately on the 26/3/14 we had a workshop fire
They can predict the future, best leave this one alone for now.
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Edited an hour ago to 26/02/14. Maybe they read your post D4D
KB
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So what I get from that response is, someone is lying. Who that is only they know. Feel sorry for anyone involved
Yep sure sounds like it. One side is dishing out porky pies but who?
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Don't use Facebook, so was not aware of the comment. I would have thought that you would put the same comment on your Web page as that it the initial point of contact for many....
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Perhaps the most aptly named camper of all time :angel:
:cup: too right
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Hi Guys,
Increasingly there seems to be that our community use social media as a vendetta and agro site rather than to pass on information. I am no expert on these matters but I would think if the two parties have issues then they should resolve them in private. I own a property business and when (and we do) have issues with clients we don't take it to Facebook or any other means to flush out our problems. I think the response from Mirage RV was polite without being too nasty. I have seen the Prestige Site and I Like their products, but I am a bit concerned about the ongoing nastiness that seems to be coming from them.
Not taking sides, just seems to me that this stuff should be kept in house.
I think the camper looks awesome, not just another Chinese imports that says it's Ozzie Made WEB site is a bit crappy though,
I have UEV-490 Love it. Not without it's problems though!!
Does anyone know who the new Vic Distributor Is?
Peterepeat Newby!!!!
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Nice intro Pete I hope you enjoy the forum :)
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Don't use Facebook, so was not aware of the comment. I would have thought that you would put the same comment on your Web page as that it the initial point of contact for many....
Mace posted the comment above. :cheers:
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So many edited posts in this thread and a few first time posters...
Jumped on my partners Facebook and checked out their page. It might just be me, but quite a few of the replies from their 'fans' seem a bit over the top, almost like friends and family replies.
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So many edited posts in this thread and a few first time posters...
Jumped on my partners Facebook and checked out their page. It might just be me, but quite a few of the replies from their 'fans' seem a bit over the top, almost like friends and family replies.
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Read this http://www.kartbook.net/forum/topics/trailer-builder (http://www.kartbook.net/forum/topics/trailer-builder)
George Leamey and Judd are the same person.
Wouldnt go near them with a barge pole.
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Read this http://www.kartbook.net/forum/topics/trailer-builder (http://www.kartbook.net/forum/topics/trailer-builder)
George Leamey and Judd are the same person.
Wouldnt go near them with a barge pole.
This is getting very interesting!!!....seems this guy is upsetting people left right and centre. Its a shame because they look like great trailers..
The Kart trailer looks awesome too...
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So many edited posts in this thread and a few first time posters...
Jumped on my partners Facebook and checked out their page. It might just be me, but quite a few of the replies from their 'fans' seem a bit over the top, almost like friends and family replies.
Yep and now another first timer. Hmmm.
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Actually long timer that made that comment muzza!
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Actually long timer that made that comment muzza!
I was talking about rippedoff
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I was talking about rippedoff
A very purpose specific 'handle' it would seem.
No doubt wont be on here much, other than in relation to this topic.
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Hi All
Just new to this MS.org
I have had a Mirage for 8 months. I got one of the first CP campers. Had a few issues but nothing too serious. Battery failed and one of the LEDs stopped working inside. Had it fixed pretty quick too. I have just heard about the Fire. Booked in to have a couple of upgrades. Got a message back they are moving into a new factory.
Anyone know any more?
Judd
I wonder if this Judd is the same Judd/George Leamey on the kartbook forum??
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As this is a forum on which to share your camper trailer experiences for the betterment of everyones experience, insist on a COD arrangement, I wish I had. :-[
Paul - Prestige Offroad
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Without prejudice, mods delete if not comfortable with this.
As written on Mirage RV FB page.
Mirage RV
20 minutes ago · Edited
hi guys
As you are probably aware by now MirageRV has been under attack from a vendetta instigated by prestige off road in Melbourne and their minions.
Normally we would not allow ourselves to get dragged into such matters but as social media is such a powerful tool for disparaging by others we thought it might be time to respond.
What we can say to all of loyal friends and supporters is that there is always two sides to every story.
prestige off road did order two campers, they decided not to pay the balance of their order on their custom built campers when ready for dispatch. Legal action has then followed. We have been contacted this week a few times by the owner of prestige off road citing that he is having difficulties . Our thoughts are with them at this time.
Interestingly enough sitting back watching the events unfold on social media I can conclude that there are instigators and then followers who jump on the bandwagon because their lack of intelligence doesn't afford them the luxury of knowing any better.
Unfortunately on the 26/3/14 we had a workshop fire as a result some camper items have been lost and production has slowed until we have moved into bigger and brighter premises about two doors down from where we are currently.
We estimate about 10 days to set up and the were back into the thick of it again. We have a long forward order book and MirageRV would like to personally thank all the families, that are staying with us in our current situation. Families who have decided to move on we wish them happy camping. We are constantly looking to improve everything we do when it comes to the quality of our campers and products and we believe MirageRV campers to be up there with the best in the camper market.
Our intention is to invite all of current families to our new premises for a tour when we are set up for having faith in us will receive a gift to go with their brand new MirageRV camper.
Hi, anyone who is interested in a copy of the correspondence sent to MirageRV that they refer to here should PM me. Will not it post on the forum unless the Mods ask in the interest of member knowledge. I hope MirageRV acknowledge that they opened this can.
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Hi, anyone who is interested in a copy of the correspondence sent to MirageRV that they refer to here should PM me. Will not it post on the forum unless the Mods ask in the interest of member knowledge. I hope MirageRV acknowledge that they opened this can.
You've made your point, now take the rest of this discussion to PM.
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So we don't get a reputation for making accusations without knowing the whole story, I would suggest that we cease this and let things take their course with the parties concerned.
Issues that I am privy to, but will not mention, have occurred and the parties involved will need to resolve this away from public forums.
The mods may need to consider deleting this thread completely.
Mark
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Going to temporarily close this one up for now until more details are at hand
GG