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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: thommo19 on May 12, 2013, 05:18:36 PM
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Hi
Just come from my local Mitsubishi dealer and of course got offered a good price on the 2.5 turbo GLX Double Cab .
As I have never owned a diesel 4x4, what is the general feelings on this vechicle.
My thoughts a 2nd hand Hilux abt 5yrs old and 100,000 clicks is going to be upwards of $25000. A new GLX $30,000.
Don't want to buy a problem but I think the GLX would be good to tow CT and would handle dirt roads etc.
Your thoughts please.
Jeff
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Look at new triton.net for tips
It's a good ute but look at the forum to help with the few problems it has
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Hi Jeff
They are a good bus. Nice rear seat room too due to the curved c pillar area.
They have an issue with carbon in the intake. They have redesigned them so the sensor sits higher however these still play up. Some are replaced almost at every service - I kid you not.
A new model is on the way so these will plummet like all Mitsu's as they hold onto the model line with no mods for far too long.
If your gunna keep it longer term then sweet. Expect the run around with the carbon issue though. I understand that if you drive them hard all the time they take longer to carbon up.
The new crew (ranger/bt/colorado/VW etc) are all larger internally too.
Brother has one and other than the carbon issue and low range not selecting once he is happy.
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Thanks dazzler.
I would be keeping it long term as I tend to look after my cars and don't change them very often.
Not sure what you mean about the carbon issue,could you enlighten me please.
Jeff
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Thanks dazzler.
I would be keeping it long term as I tend to look after my cars and don't change them very often.
Not sure what you mean about the carbon issue,could you enlighten me please.
Jeff
The engine carbons up from the EGR (here is a google search)
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=exhaust+gas+recirculation&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=14iPUa7EJO6NiAebzYGgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1017&bih=978#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel&oq=exhaust+gas+recirculation+d&gs_l=img.1.0.0i24l4.4859.5103.0.7537.2.2.0.0.0.0.233.441.2-2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.12.img.hLY7C5vQeAY&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGc&fp=393a7fb9fdcd41e4&biw=1017&bih=978 (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=exhaust+gas+recirculation&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=14iPUa7EJO6NiAebzYGgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1017&bih=978#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel&oq=exhaust+gas+recirculation+d&gs_l=img.1.0.0i24l4.4859.5103.0.7537.2.2.0.0.0.0.233.441.2-2.2.0...0.0...1c.1.12.img.hLY7C5vQeAY&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46340616,d.aGc&fp=393a7fb9fdcd41e4&biw=1017&bih=978)
And here is one with Triton in the search line;
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=exhaust+gas+recirculation&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=14iPUa7EJO6NiAebzYGgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1017&bih=978#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel+triton&oq=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel+triton&gs_l=img.3...11533.14293.0.14572.11.10.0.0.0.0.215.1229.5j0j5.10.0...0.0...1c.1.12.img.UACMHuW4yL4&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=393a7fb9fdcd41e4&biw=1017&bih=978 (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=exhaust+gas+recirculation&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=14iPUa7EJO6NiAebzYGgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1017&bih=978#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel+triton&oq=exhaust+gas+recirculation+diesel+triton&gs_l=img.3...11533.14293.0.14572.11.10.0.0.0.0.215.1229.5j0j5.10.0...0.0...1c.1.12.img.UACMHuW4yL4&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=393a7fb9fdcd41e4&biw=1017&bih=978)
On the triton there is a sensor inside the manifold that once it gets gunked up sends incorrect signals to the fuel injection and they run rough. The fix is to replace the manifold or at least clean them out. They did a redesign but the issue continues. It is a common issue for new diesels but most only gunk up over big k's. Prados do it around the 100k but will run okay until well into the 200k. Just a design failing.
cheers
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Hmmm thanks
Jeff
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Hmmm thanks
Jeff
I wouldn't NOT buy one because of it however it is something to be discussed with the sales manager and find out exactly what they are doing about it. If they play dumb you know their pants are on fire. If they are honest and up front and tell you what they are doing about it then thats better. There is a work around to stop it but that would void the warranty (blank off EGR). You could always have it replaced under warranty until it runs out then do the mod. Its not hard to do.
cheers
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Jeff I have a ML Triton and love it. As dazzler has mentioned there are a few issues with Carbon build up but this is not confined to the Triton... Its a result of the EGR system and effects most cars that use this pollution reduction system.
If you haven't already done so check out the newtriton forum, heaps of information over there and lots of "fixes" for some of theses issues.
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The two main fixes for the carbon build up is either an EGR blank or a catch can.
I'm running a provent 200 and haven't had any problem since fitting it.
The EGR blank will void warranty but can be removed before every service.....that's what a lot of people do.
Some even leave it in and it's not noticed.
I wouldn't let this stop you buying a triton at the prices they are at the moment.......they are a good bus too.
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I might have this wrong -- but I thought the issue EGR was with the 3.2L motor setup and not with the current 2.5L motor as it's a different setup and was O.K. -- correct me if I am wrong (going to see heaps of links here soon as I bothered to Google) ;)
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From what I have read and my brothers exp is they will reflash the ecu and tell you it's fixed. Then do that again next time until you jump up and down (not in the yippee Toyota ad way) and then replace the manifold.
Then start the game all over again.
They are a good bus despite this.
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Great truck. We have a fair fleet of diesel twin cabs here at work, and the Triton is up there with the best. Great fuel economy, even when towing, nice roomy cabs, and a pretty powerful engine.
Bang for buck, No. 1 ute in class I reckon.
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I might have this wrong -- but I thought the issue EGR was with the 3.2L motor setup and not with the current 2.5L motor as it's a different setup and was O.K. -- correct me if I am wrong (going to see heaps of links here soon as I bothered to Google) ;)
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Both motors have the same problem, 2.5 is the same motor as the challenger, same issue in the challenger.
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Both motors have the same problem, 2.5 is the same motor as the challenger, same issue in the challenger.
I have a Challenger and I would say it's not a major issue, as in some 4wd's have had the problem, but you'll find most have no issues at all..
I frequent a Challenger forum and have only heard of one ( maybe two ) people say they have had to have the manifold replaced..
I have an EGR blank ( and a chip ) and while it MAY void your warranty, it may depend on what went wrong with the 4wd and whether they know you have any " mods" done to it....or if those mods are still attached when it went in for a warranty claim ??
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I have a Challenger and I would say it's not a major issue, as in some 4wd's have had the problem, but you'll find most have no issues at all..
I frequent a Challenger forum and have only heard of one ( maybe two ) people say they have had to have the manifold replaced..
I have an EGR blank ( and a chip ) and while it MAY void your warranty, it may depend on what went wrong with the 4wd and whether they know you have any " mods" done to it....or if those mods are still attached when it went in for a warranty claim ??
Why the EGR blank if only one or two vehicles have been affected. 8)
Seriously this is not brand bashing but the truth. When I tried to work out why my brothers was playing up I found heaps of members with the issue on newtriton.net, enough so that there were kits being sold to fix it. Just like the EGR issue on Prados however the triton has a sensor in a spot that gets covered in crud and the engine suffers.
It is a design fault in the engine and they will ALL suffer from it at some stage.
Lets not close our eyes and be 3.0l patrol owners. ;D
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They are a good bus , I had one for 4 mths 70k on the clock had manifolds replaced car still ran like crap after many many trips to dealers I traded it in as they were at a loss to explain why oh why.
On that I found mitsi very good with it all they were always willing to give me a loan car and never once tried to fob me off so big thumbs up to them for that. They tried everything to fix it and right up till the end were trying to work it out.but even they were at a loss.heck the dealer and mech did not build it I would say. So they were not the enemy it was that bloody robot number 3 he must have been going through a rough robot style divorce lol ;D
So why did I get rid of it , cause it was a lemon , that's not to say all of them are I know people with 200oook on the clock , just like computers sometimes you just get a dud one.every car make and model suffer from issues ,
So go in with your eyes wide open pick a dealer close to home and keep the service book up to date.
Just cross ya fingers you get a good one :D ;D
Pretty bloody good value right now.
Jet :D :D
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Why the EGR blank if only one or two vehicles have been affected. 8)
Seriously this is not brand bashing but the truth. When I tried to work out why my brothers was playing up I found heaps of members with the issue on newtriton.net, enough so that there were kits being sold to fix it. Just like the EGR issue on Prados however the triton has a sensor in a spot that gets covered in crud and the engine suffers.
It is a design fault in the engine and they will ALL suffer from it at some stage.
Lets not close our eyes and be 3.0l patrol owners. ;D
Yes it is a known issue......just like some other manufacturers in the class have injector issues others have turbo issues etc.
I'd rather be slowed than stopped.
Any diesel with an EGR system will eventually suffer from this
It's not a mits specific problem......there are ways to avoid it happening.
Dazzler......I'd love to know what this so called "fix kit" is?
All I know of is the catch can or blank plate........no kit as such.
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They are a good bus , I had one for 4 mths 70k on the clock had manifolds replaced car still ran like crap after many many trips to dealers I traded it in as they were at a loss to explain why oh why.
On that I found mitsi very good with it all they were always willing to give me a loan car and never once tried to fob me off so big thumbs up to them for that. They tried everything to fix it and right up till the end were trying to work it out.but even they were at a loss.heck the dealer and mech did not build it I would say. So they were not the enemy it was that bloody robot number 3 he must have been going through a rough robot style divorce lol ;D
So why did I get rid of it , cause it was a lemon , that's not to say all of them are I know people with 200oook on the clock , just like computers sometimes you just get a dud one.every car make and model suffer from issues ,
So go in with your eyes wide open pick a dealer close to home and keep the service book up to date.
Just cross ya fingers you get a good one :D ;D
Pretty bloody good value right now.
Jet :D :D
I'd say yours would have been sorted sooner if you persisted and took it to that "other" dealer.
You had a very unfortunate run.......I know for a fact the previous owner never had an issue.
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It's a blanking kit on the forum for those who cant make one. From memory a blank plate and gaskets. My point is if they sell them there is a market for it.
I want to be clear here. I am over the BS that some owners go on with about their precious goddam cars. We are not discussing our wives here but chunks of metal. If there is a problem suck it up. Imagine how many potential patrol owners would have been saved thousands of dollars in repair bills if the BS about it only affecting a few "early" ones had not happened.
As soon as you hear "all vehicles have problems" you know the vehicle has become their bitch. :)
The SPECIFIC issue with Triton is the manifold design. It IS an ongoing issue but it shouldn't deter you from buying one if you are happy to fix it with a mod or get the ecu reflashed and manifolds replaced routinely.
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Here is my 20c worth.
I have the same model Challenger.
I think the best way to defeat the carbon issue is to fit a catch can from day one. Provent sell them for about $200 bucks.
Patrol owners have been doing this for years knowing to well what their history is. It doesn't stop people buying them.
Buy the Triton, fit a catch can and enjoy trouble free driving.
I won't touch one, not because of the engine, I just don't like the over hang of the tub on the arse end.
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I'd say yours would have been sorted sooner if you persisted and took it to that "other" dealer.
You had a very unfortunate run.......I know for a fact the previous owner never had an issue.
Yeah just a case of bad luck, the manifold change caused some big issues non related to the prev owner , I never thought that ;D as it drove perfect all the way home.
I know lee prob would have sorted it ,but I had enough by then ;D like I said though I,m wise enough to know one car does not reflect an entire make or model.
Don't know if I could ever buy one again but they are a good truck esp now for the $$$ asked.
Just for the original poster - no matter what car you google you will find negatives , some just have more active forums than others so there is more info.
Big :cup: :cup:to the newtriton.net boys and gals , great forum with loads of top info , prob 2nd best forum I've ever used :D :D
Jet :cheers:
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I have the ML 142k on the clock no issues, tows the outback hawk no dramas.
Cheers
Jas
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My NS Pajero just had the manifolds replaced as the second attempt to fix engine surging under light throttle, the first being a reflash of the ECU.
Step 3 was clean the EGR valve and reflash again.....
Still surging.... perhaps the fly by wire throttle is buggered...
6 weeks to go to end of warranty. I am determined to get this sorted....
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My NS Pajero just had the manifolds replaced as the second attempt to fix engine surging under light throttle, the first being a reflash of the ECU.
Step 3 was clean the EGR valve and reflash again.....
Still surging.... perhaps the fly by wire throttle is buggered...
6 weeks to go to end of warranty. I am determined to get this sorted....
Don't panic to much about the warranty. If the problem you are having now hasn't been fixed once it runs out, it will still have to be fixed at no charge to you. I'm fairly certain any repairs done carry their own warranty of sorts.
Sent from the machine that goes..... Bing!
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Thanks guys for all your comments,alot to think about.
Jeff
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It's a blanking kit on the forum for those who cant make one. From memory a blank plate and gaskets. My point is if they sell them there is a market for it.
I want to be clear here. I am over the BS that some owners go on with about their precious goddam cars. We are not discussing our wives here but chunks of metal. If there is a problem suck it up. Imagine how many potential patrol owners would have been saved thousands of dollars in repair bills if the BS about it only affecting a few "early" ones had not happened.
As soon as you hear "all vehicles have problems" you know the vehicle has become their bitch. :)
The SPECIFIC issue with Triton is the manifold design. It IS an ongoing issue but it shouldn't deter you from buying one if you are happy to fix it with a mod or get the ecu reflashed and manifolds replaced routinely.
Mmmm time for a bex and a good lay down maybe ;D
Our ML has just on 95,000 Km's on the odo, she has been a good truck and has towed the Trackabout without complaint, through Fraser Island and through Davies Plains ( up and down) without recovery. She only gets used for family camping adventures and is set up as such. I guess I'm one of these weirdos that thinks their truck has a character, just going for a drive in the big girl makes me grin! We bought her new and I've had her serviced every 7,500 Km's by MMA. She has been ultra reliable with my only drama being an experiment with Iron Man suspension earlier on which has since be replaced with a full Ultimate kit.
I to had earlier concerns re the manifold issue, had no dramas but my dealer replaced the manifold with the new "updated" manifold at one of the interim services, no real performance difference although the fuel consumption dropped slightly. On the flip side maybe I've just been lucky!!
Yep the big girl ain't perfect, may have a potential carbon issue one day, the drivers seat is not as comfortable as our new Swift and servicing ain't cheep but she's a keeper. When our family of four opens the shed door and see the Trito/Trackie pair we can't help but smile :cup:
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Time for another port.
Disco teddy.
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Mmmm time for a bex and a good lay down maybe ;D
Hi Disco
Actually I had some panadol due to the dreaded flu. Its not often I crack it - just occasionally ;D
Good luck with yours.
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My NS Pajero just had the manifolds replaced as the second attempt to fix engine surging under light throttle, the first being a reflash of the ECU.
Step 3 was clean the EGR valve and reflash again.....
Still surging.... perhaps the fly by wire throttle is buggered...
6 weeks to go to end of warranty. I am determined to get this sorted....
Ask them to check the suction control valve.
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I have a 2010 MN with 180k on the dial. Heres what goes wrong with them,
Manifolds carbon up every 80k approx
Sychros on gearboxes wear out
Suction control valves fail
Rear springs squeak and sag
Also had MAF senser replaced 2x, cd player x1, 1x turbo at 80k, steering rack leaked.
Steering colums are replaced on some, seats are terrible, turbo lag under 2000rpm.
Servicing is very expensive av $450 minor, $800 mid, up to $1500 major. Valve clearances need to be checked every 30,000km ($400 extra) timing belts at 100k.
Positives,
Not bad off road
Good value for money
Best warranty in the class
Good mid rang power
clutches last labout 140k
Summary, not bad, not good, cheap to buy and good warranty cover.
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We've got a 2008 MY09 VR dual-cab, since new, done 70K kms. It has the 3.2L engine, and what I think it the now very-dated 4-speed auto. As a VR, ours has the Super-Select Auto box, providing 2H, All-Wheel-Drive, as well as 4H on the fly, and of course 4L. Without Super-select, I wouldn't have got it.
It does the job on and off road. Fuel economy is reasonable, interior space and comfort was class-leading in '08, we got an alloy tray put on it not long after new but have out-grown it now with two kids onboard so we're back to the styleside tub.
Top of your list not long after driving it home should be The Ultimate Suspension al-round. Just brilliant stuff that allows it to drive like it should from the factory. Some decent A/T tyres have also been a dramatic improvement to the vehicle over the stock rubber.
While I can't say I love it, it is a very good ute, only now being overtaken by the Amarok and matched by the BT-50/D-Max.
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I have today returned from my local dealer with a quote of $1400 to replace the manifolds on my 07 Triton. I went in today with an intermitent engine light issue and returned home somewhat dissapointed in the dealers explanation. Toinght I turned to the inter-web to find I'm not alone here. This vehicle has done 105k's and been relaible towing a camper all over the SE Qld. I did tell the dealer I would consider his estimate along with his unwillingness to say this problem would not reoccur.
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:)
And I thought it was all an Internet conspiracy.
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I notice there is mention on this forum of a fix for the Triton carbon build up with a blanking plate to the EGR and a catch can arrangement. My question to the knowledgable few is if the plate is installed is there a need to change to an aftermarket chip? It would appear from some marketing firms of this equipment these are sold as a set. As I see it there is little benefit of changing the mainfolds only to have the problem return a a later date. My goal like most other owners I expect, is to do it once and do it properly something I had hoped my Triton manufacturer was doing for me with R&D.
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Laddon,
My understanding is that you don't need a chip. Early ECU's would throw a fault code if the ECU was blanked, and a lot of people fitted chips to stop that happening. However, my understanding is that the latest ECU code has fixed this, and that you can blank away to your heart's content. Those with earlier ECU's can have the dealer flash them up to the latest version.
This is all second-hand knowledge - I've been sorely tempted by one of these cheap GLX tritons, so have been lurking around NTN and consuming as much knowledge about them as humanly possible.
Good luck with the repair.
Matto :)
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Matto thank you for your response.
I have had the chip flashed and do expect it wil be up to the task with a blanking plate installed.
I can't really criticise my ML Triton as it has been realiable and taken me to many a great camp spot with little outlay.
If nothing else this problem happened me visisting the local TJM guy who has a tricked up Triton with a similar isssue and has talked me into a new front bar and possible lift kit. Makes my orignal manifold replacement quote of $1400 from the dealer seem a paltry amount now.
Regards,
Laddon
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I am on my second Triton. First was an ML and second was an MN. I love em.
Admittedly, I turn it over every 4 or 5 years, so maybe I don't have them long enough to have an issue - but both trucks have been brilliant!
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Laddon, you have a early ML, you can blank these (really good if you have just replaced the manifold)
when I did this I found that I would get limp modes- only about 10% of the ML tritons suffer this when blanked- trial and see
this is where the chip comes into the equation in that it does not allow the code that blocking the EGR (I think absolute manifold pressure) to register in the triton ECU and therefore it does not limp and allowed me to block the EGR
I have had the plate in and chip installed for over 110,000kms of the vehicles 120,000km trouble free life.
Booked in for its last service before warranty expires in 2 weeks- will be getting the manifold looked at- should be clean due to the blank.
been quoted $1100 which includes the tappets adjusted and misc filters/ oils (big cost service)
It has been run with 32" mud tyres and the whole ARB catalogue since new and towed a 2 tonne offroad van to a lot of Australia (Fraser Island for example) and been able to keep up with most vehicles offroad as well (dual locked, transfer case gears and 34" simex centerpeeds- so has not been babied)
still "love that car" :cheers:
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Thanks 4wd26, I will install the new style of manifolds and revisit the plate/chip.
The triton does seem more than capable off road and provides a good level of passenger comfort.
Laddon
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Thanks 4wd26, I will install the new style of manifolds and revisit the plate/chip.
The triton does seem more than capable off road and provides a good level of passenger comfort.
Laddon
If you are mechanically minded you could pull the old ones, clean them, refit and then blank. The new manifold puts the sensor higher up so it takes longer carbon up and if you put the blank plate in this isn't an issue. (At least thats my understanding)
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$32,000 with $2000 cashback. In todays paper for dual GLX.
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orignal manifold replacement quote of $1400 from the dealer
http://wynns.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/EGR4-Spray-23478-PIS.pdf (http://wynns.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/EGR4-Spray-23478-PIS.pdf)
About $20 if you can find it. I believe it's a "professional" product that doesn't generally appear on retail shelves. Might have to ring around to a few mechanics.