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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bird on January 15, 2013, 04:28:33 PM
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Interesting read while researching new AV for Work.
SEP is causing some issues and its updates are up to 180meg per update!
http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php (http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php)
Never heard of the winning program before. But suppose its like a 4wd magazine test.
I've copped this error personally
Code Integrity determined that the page hashes of an image file are not valid. The file could be improperly signed without page hashes or corrupt due to unauthorized modification. The invalid hashes could indicate a potential disk device error.
File Name: \Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\System32\sysfer.dll
Without exciting the fan bois into a sausage smashing session cause they don't realise the difference in business and home, what Antivirus does your business use? Happy with it?
McAfee used to be pretty good and we used it at PMI, but don't see it much anymore.
Thorts?
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Gday Lost
I use the AVG paid version at home because it does the same job as all the others and is cheaper. The free version is good and I used that for many years with no viruses causing me issues but went to the paid version as it had a few extra bits I could use and covers my three computers with one license. Very happy with it and it doesnt cause any slowing down of the programs like some other antivirus software does.
Trevor
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Comodo has been around for ages.
Where I used to work they also used SEP. Pig of a program IMO. Before that we had McAfee and that was OK. Never really had any issues with it.
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Work uses Sophos. No complaints,it does the job its designed to.
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I've just switched from AVG to Avast -- Seems to be much better than AVG ...and it is free for home use.. Cheers http://www.avast.com/en-gb/free-antivirus-download (http://www.avast.com/en-gb/free-antivirus-download)
Mandrake
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I use bit defender. Covers all my computers plus any mobile devices as well (ie. ipad) it does the check on any hard drives that are attached to the computer automatically. It stopped a pc game that my little fella bought with his chrissy money because it didn't like the fact that you had to go onto the Internet to start the game.
That was sorted pretty quick cause you can just go into bitdefender and tell it to allow the program.
Work uses McAfee I think.
:cheers:
Strvy
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SCEP built into SCCM
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx)
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Sophos does the job OK, they did have a dodgy update recently that caused some pain. Use the free Microsoft Windows Defender at home, it's non invasive and ticks away well in the background.
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SCEP built into SCCM
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx)
X2 - we have it on over 200 PC's and laptops and I am very impressed with it. Also a bonus that it is now included in our ME license agreement no w too.
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Comodo has been around for ages.
just had a play with it, what a POS that is... it just takes over everything.. IE ended up within a window inside Comodo.. WTF..
K Bye to that.
NEXT................
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just had a play with it, what a POS that is... it just takes over everything.. IE ended up within a window inside Comodo.. WTF..
K Bye to that.
NEXT................
Lol... Didn't say it was any good... :D
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Interesting read while researching new AV for Work.
SEP is causing some issues and its updates are up to 180meg per update!
http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php (http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php)
Never heard of the winning program before. But suppose its like a 4wd magazine test.
I've copped this error personally
Code Integrity determined that the page hashes of an image file are not valid. The file could be improperly signed without page hashes or corrupt due to unauthorized modification. The invalid hashes could indicate a potential disk device error.
File Name: \Device\HarddiskVolume1\Windows\System32\sysfer.dll
Without exciting the fan bois into a sausage smashing session cause they don't realise the difference in business and home, what Antivirus does your business use? Happy with it?
McAfee used to be pretty good and we used it at PMI, but don't see it much anymore.
Thorts?
Hi lost. I'm sure you would agree that home and business are not the same. Easy to make sure your 10 devices are all using a virus program. For any AV to work I think you need to look at locking down rogue access. We have done that and if any unknown PC connects to the network it will not be granted access until the scan has run. We are using End Point. I like the remote update push and so far so good. It's also proving to be stable for a our Org.
Anyway My 10 Cents. I also like that we get real time reports when some one decides to insert a USB stick. We get notified real time that they are infected. Happened three times in 6 Months, maybe not a big deal for your guys but as we deal with medical stuff we are anal ;D
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I use Eset Nod32
cheers
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I have a house full of shiny macs. They just work :)) no need to pay to keep using them :))
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I use Norton 360 and have done so for a number of years now. It has always worked well for me and i have had no issues with it. It has caught out and saved quite a few attacks in it's time. I keep updated each year to the latest version.
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I have a house full of shiny macs. They just work :)) no need to pay to keep using them :))
House maybe, good luck in an Enterprise
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I use Eset Nod32
cheers
X 2
Cheers, Scott
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I use microsoft security essentials at home and at work. have had no problems with this.
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/mse.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/mse.aspx)
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SCEP built into SCCM
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/endpoint-protection-2012.aspx)
This is what we use at work and it seems to do OK, we have around 40000 client end points and I believe (no this is not a typo) around 5000 server end points.
Bunyip
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I'm a belts and braces man where windoze is concerned
Avast pro and Stopzilla. Initial start up is like watching grass grow, but after that " if the left hand don't getchaq then the right one will" :-*
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Plus one for Sophos..
As a sys admin I have looked after a large install (3000 odd users) and a small one (25 users) both with Sophos and never had a drama.
For domestic use I always recommend Avira because they have a free version (www.feee-av.com (http://www.feee-av.com)) but I have also deployed that for small businesses in the past (not the free version, the business version) and had good results.
I guess the thing to remember is not only is there a different between home and business, there is also a difference in small business, medium business and enterprise. All have different needs and really different products that fit.
JMHO but:
Home - Avira free (or upgrade if you don't like ads when updating
Small businesses - Avira business (might be called something different)
Medium - Sophos sbe
Enterprise - full blown Sophos
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Antivirus Nope - Don't run any at all 8) haven't done for many years -- Been running :cup: Ubuntu Linux.
:cheers:
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I run a Mac and will never go back :D
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At work, now bear in mind we are Global, and have 9000 odd user PC's and corresponding servers, we run the following. We also run SCCM to deploy every damn thing.. :)
PC's and laptops run HDD Encryption plus the full McAfee EPO Suite, having recently upgraded from Trend Micro.
On our servers we run Sophos.
We have had issues with Virus infections, but it has been limited. So no matter what system you use, the end users have to take SOME responsibility for opening or not opening that strange email about your flight itinerary or slow tax return....
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I use a Mac. What are virus's?
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I use a Mac. What are virus's?
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html)
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http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html)
LOL How did I know Lost would find a link to a mac virus! :D Pretty fair to say the ratio is around 583 squillion to one though ;)
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It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
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I run a Mac and will never go back :D
Wow, your going to come crashing down then. There is more virus development targeted at apple now (The Hackers Holly Grale) if you like. Don't rest on the I- lorals- please.
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It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
So are almost all - So Called Viruses these days. It did bad stuff so to the average person, it is a virus!
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Wow, your going to come crashing down then. There is more virus development targeted at apple now (The Hackers Holly Grale) if you like. Don't rest on the I- lorals- please.
LOL Your not a Mac lover then Steve! ;)
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I'll tell you what. You can have the best solution known to man kind but the real challenge is getting all the users to be Net Smart. A virus definition is never going to stop the 'open the email - from Aus Post' they just don't get it. Then you have the rogue users that don't authenticate onto the domain, so you have no idea if there Definition files are up to date, or they are even meat to be there.
It goes on and on. The best protection is to stop non authenticated devices on the net. How many of you corparate guys let your users bring their I-Pads, I-phones etc to work, and then access internet resources?
We went through this with AMEX where there where over 100,00 devices to manage. It doesn't matter how good you are. We used to hire 'Hacks' to work with us to stop intrusions. Half of our forum here wouldn't even know if they have been 'violated' and that's the beauty of what they do, stealth.
Even the best in the business still clearly state they are on the back foot and in regards to some viruses they can take Months to even get an update out.
Back to sensible and safe.
Do not open the 'you have won 1 million dollars email. Ensure your company knows that, educate, and to be honest I am more worried about port scanners so make sure the firewalls are up to date.
And you can Pooh Pooh me as much as you want. I work with some serious government players around the data security area looking after AFP and Immigration (Boat People) medical records, there is not much more important stuff than that.
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LOL Your not a Mac lover then Steve! ;)
Don't mind them but cause me no end of trouble with their no compliance to network structure. Hopefully that will change and in fact there are a few good signs with new remote access controls being rolled out. For home I'm good as. I'm only taking about work.
I think like a lot of corporate, it the fact they connect to our network with out authentication that is hard to manage. We block corporate internet access to WiFi but as there are some many that have Next-G we find that hard to control. As we, like many have allowed users to received their email o their phone we 'worry' they can infect the general network. Apple are not invincible anymore and many more are finding ways to hack them. That's' all.
Just a work rave really, sorry.
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It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
So by that definition, Windows doesn't get virus' then ::)
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G'day Lost,
We use Symantec End Point Protection, seems to be pretty good, and as Steve said earlier, biggest problem we have is the people that open the stupid emails and click on the file, or while on the net they click on something they shouldn't. End point still picks most of this up, but have had a couple slip through occasionally.
Regards,
Flanders
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I use a Mac. What are virus's?
Well maybe you better read this.....
Apple drops claim that 'Macs don't get viruses' (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html)
and then go get an AV program. Virex is a good one for Mac.
Oops.. I should have read the whole thread... :-[
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I'll tell you what. You can have the best solution known to man kind but the real challenge is getting all the users to be Net Smart. A virus definition is never going to stop the 'open the email - from Aus Post' they just don't get it. Then you have the rogue users that don't authenticate onto the domain, so you have no idea if there Definition files are up to date, or they are even meat to be there.
It goes on and on. The best protection is to stop non authenticated devices on the net. How many of you corparate guys let your users bring their I-Pads, I-phones etc to work, and then access internet resources?
We went through this with AMEX where there where over 100,00 devices to manage. It doesn't matter how good you are. We used to hire 'Hacks' to work with us to stop intrusions. Half of our forum here wouldn't even know if they have been 'violated' and that's the beauty of what they do, stealth.
Even the best in the business still clearly state they are on the back foot and in regards to some viruses they can take Months to even get an update out.
Back to sensible and safe.
Do not open the 'you have won 1 million dollars email. Ensure your company knows that, educate, and to be honest I am more worried about port scanners so make sure the firewalls are up to date.
And you can Pooh Pooh me as much as you want. I work with some serious government players around the data security area looking after AFP and Immigration (Boat People) medical records, there is not much more important stuff than that.
Well said.
We have programmers come here that are pist that we wont let them use their own computers. We supply them with a machine to use while on the project. if they don't like it, intercourse off.
As for Itoys, people continually try and beg for them, but we are under a global law now.. we have 100k users world wide, and have a good buying price with Dull, so its Dull or nothing thankfully
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We use Symantec End Point Protection, seems to be pretty good, and as Steve said earlier, biggest problem we have is the people that open the stupid emails and click on the file, or while on the net they click on something they shouldn't. End point still picks most of this up, but have had a couple slip through occasionally.
That's what we use at work here (Version 12.1.671.4971), I run it through SEP Manager to push out updates on each login. Usually the larger updates come in on a Thursday, as said 180meg each :(
But for laptop users its a different story. You cant 100% control what they access where and when. They all love their "Free" Internet while on the road. :(
That can suck if they are out of office for a week too not getting updates. They all get email Via Galaxy S2's or Blackberrys
SEP is good for a corp and I can use free but it causes memory hungry and bites sausage while gaming online... It was never a problem until I rebuilt the PC for gaming on the weekend, and then installed Win7 Enterprise 64b.
Kapersky gets good wraps on some of the gaming forums, might be worth a look see.
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Anyway My 10 Cents. I also like that we get real time reports when some one decides to insert a USB stick. We get notified real time that they are infected.
Your example is found :) :) :)
A computer virus attacked a turbine control system at a US power company when a technician unknowingly inserted an infected USB computer drive into the network, keeping a plant off line for three weeks, according to a report posted on a US government website.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html (http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html)
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Well maybe you better read this.....
Apple drops claim that 'Macs don't get viruses' (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/apple-drops-claim-that-macs-dont-get-viruses-20120703-21ei4.html)
and then go get an AV program. Virex is a good one for Mac.
Oops.. I should have read the whole thread... :-[
Thanks for the info, but seriously that article is a load of overhyped, poorly researched $hite. Why people take Fairfax and News Ltd website content to be gospel is beyond me.
I have used the Mac OS for nearly 10 years, haven't used virus protection, and don't intend to based on something the SMH reports. If I need it, it'll be because of my necessary interaction with MS Windows servers and via email exchanges, not because I use a Mac.
Cheers.
p.s. This hits the nail on the head:
It wasn't a virus. It needed the user to download something. Open it. Click yes I WAnt to install this thing enter a password and then cause grief. :)). I use mac in enterprise as well :)). iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
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Thanks for the info, but seriously that article is a load of overhyped, poorly researched $hite. Why people take Fairfax and News Ltd website content to be gospel is beyond me.
I have used the Mac OS for nearly 10 years, haven't used virus protection, and don't intend to based on something the SMH reports. If I need it, it'll be because of my necessary interaction with MS Windows servers and via email exchanges, not because I use a Mac.
Cheers.
p.s. This hits the nail on the head:
That article was widely reported in security blogs all over the web. SMH was just a conveinient reference.
I've had Macs of various flavours in our production environment for something like 15 years. They have ALLWAYS had an AV program on them. There is absolutely NO WAY any device, be it Mac, PC, Tablet or smartphone would be allowed any where near our network without an AV program installed and regularly updated.
Feel free to keep your head in the sand...
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Another interesting pertinant article on PC virus's from Fairfax - be it the intelligent mans paper, or just some poorly researched $hyt.
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html (http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/security-it/malicious-virus-shuttered-power-plant-us-government-20130117-2cuox.html)
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ok.
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^^^
Apologies, I forgot my toungue in cheek emoticon ! :cheers:
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Cut and pasted into Sydney morning herald by Asher Moses :)). Thank god for whirl(whinge)pool . If you were in "IT". You would understand :))
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Always knew Bitdefender and Kaspersky were the best all round but it seems VIPRE is giving them a run for their money now-
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/ (http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/)
I used Bitdefender before Microsoft got in on the act and it was good but you can't beat free and the people who supply 95% of our operating systems, Office and IE. Who could possibly protect the majority better for the money? Still there's no point having fancy locks if you regularly open the door to strangers and invite them in.
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Always knew Bitdefender and Kaspersky were the best all round but it seems VIPRE is giving them a run for their money now-
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/ (http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/Reviews/GFI-Sunbelt/VIPRE-Antivirus-Software/)
I cant get that URL to work, not even from a google :(
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/ (http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/)
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Your example is found :) :) :)
Now that is so much cooler (Pardon the Pun - Ha Turbine - Fan - Get it 8) ) than ours... Good work buy that guy, three weeks :cup:
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Its like a spotlight/tyre/car review in a magazine...
They all have a different winner...
They all say something different... Seems the $$ does talk with reviews still...
http://www.av-comparatives.org/ (http://www.av-comparatives.org/)
http://www.av-test.org/en/home/ (http://www.av-test.org/en/home/)
http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-security-essentials-flunks-independent-anti-virus-certification-230010197.html (http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-security-essentials-flunks-independent-anti-virus-certification-230010197.html)
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/general/1295275/independent-security-test-shows-best-home-anti-virus-software (http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/general/1295275/independent-security-test-shows-best-home-anti-virus-software)
http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/home-user/ (http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/home-user/)
http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/none/307051-microsoft-and-others-fail-antivirus-test (http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/none/307051-microsoft-and-others-fail-antivirus-test)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372364,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372364,00.asp)
http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/none/306670-bitdefender-named-product-of-the-year-by-av-comparatives (http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/none/306670-bitdefender-named-product-of-the-year-by-av-comparatives)
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I use microsoft security essentials at home and at work. have had no problems with this.
http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/mse.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/security/pc-security/mse.aspx)
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iPhone/pad is changing people's opinions. :)
Yep changed my mind after having an iPhone I decided to never have a Mac laptop. Most overrated phone around. Great for doing everything but making actual phone calls and getting reception, especially if travelling OS.
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I cant get that URL to work, not even from a google :(
http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/ (http://www.pcantivirusreviews.com/)
Interesting - Microsoft Security Essentials wont allow that URL to work on this new machine I've built! even after adding to exceptions n rebooting
My PC, several laptops at work all open it without issue.
Bye bye MSE.
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User error
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User error
agree. Hes ****in hopeless... :D
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I use Norton 360 and have done so for a number of years now. It has always worked well for me and i have had no issues with it. It has caught out and saved quite a few attacks in it's time. I keep updated each year to the latest version.
It would want to have change big time for me to go near it again for a business application. >:D
Foo
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Built a new PC for a mate this week, and have put the trial version of Bitdefender on it
Seems to go ok, no lag while online gaming, or videoing in Premier....
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Built a new PC for a mate this week, and have put the trial version of Bitdefender on it
Seems to go ok, no lag while online gaming, or videoing in Premier....
All those trial versions of paid antivirus programs on MS computers from friendly, helpful suppliers/builders when MSE is free and from the very experts who provide the operating system plus Office and IE. Yeah riiiiiight!
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All those trial versions of paid antivirus programs on MS computers from friendly, helpful suppliers/builders when MSE is free and from the very experts who provide the operating system plus Office and IE. Yeah riiiiiight!
Oh Prodigyrf. How many spoons do you have at home :D. :cup:
M$ experts. Apple genius' . Equivalent I guess.
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You know how it is Estelle. After buying a Holden you should always listen ever so politely to the Ford Dealer telling you how you need to stick Ford parts all over it. Then the BMW Dealer weighs in.
Dunno about spoon bending so much as relying on a trusty, old fashioned, wind-up, clockwork BS detector that's been passed from hand to hand down the generations. Without a CDROM or downloadable manual the art of winding it up is somewhat lost on the digital generation, but I have the type written instructions in a safe place and it all gets passed on when I'm too weak and feeble to read the instructions and wind it anymore :-*
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Food for thought for the head in the sand Mac users
http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20130219&id=16137498 (http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20130219&id=16137498)
Unknown hackers infected the computers of some Apple workers when they visited a website for software developers that had been infected with malicious software. The malware had been designed to attack Mac computers.
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I'm gonna stir the pot here but most people who get virus and spyware issues bring this on with their own surfing habits.... PEBCAK.
Ducking for cover now...
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I'm gonna stir the pot here but most people who get virus and spyware issues bring this on with their own surfing habits.... PEBCAK.
Ducking for cover now...
LOL, I'm going to stir the pot as well and say that this used to be the case. These days there are some truly clever methods of being on the receiving end of spyware etc by doing no more than simply viewing a website (http://blog.chromium.org/2012/05/tale-of-two-pwnies-part-1.html) which can cause malware to infect their computer.
Don't worry, the above link is safe - or is it?!? >:D