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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Swogjb on February 01, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
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I stumbled across this article tonight.
Toyota Landcruiser Dual Cab out of the factory.
They should fill a definite gap in the dual cab market.
IMO the currently available dual cabs are all a bit soft.
I looked at converting a 76series wagon a couple of years ago, was just to expensive to do IMO.
Will be interesting to see how they are priced and if they extend the chassis 500-600 mm.
Will definitely be worth a look.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/157052/toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab-ute-coming/ (http://www.caradvice.com.au/157052/toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab-ute-coming/)
:cheers:
Glenn
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Sounds bloody good to me!! Lets just hope it happens...
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Hmmm.
I am looking at the new Ranger ATM. Might wait awhile!
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That will put the cat amongst the pigeons for sure. One can imagine it won't be cheap though, as Toyota won't want to canabilise HiLux sales and mining companies have deep pockets.
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I have always wanted a full size 4WD Dual cab.
If they have made the front and rear track the same it might tempt me to replace the Patrol sooner rather than later.
Cheers
Parry
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This one?
Thats some overhang!
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab2.jpg)
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab.jpg)
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Bugger me, thats one unfortunate looking truck :'(
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OMG - I hope it doesnt look like that!!! - Fugly
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Bugger me, thats one unfortunate looking truck :'(
agree... but that is it... in Dubai.
Theres also a short wheel base over there.... that should get the kiddies dribbling
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looks like they tried to copy a mahindra and got it even wronger!
:cheers:
Dave
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I was hoping for something more like this.
:cheers:
http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos?page=2 (http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos?page=2)
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http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos/5 (http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos/5)
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Oh Well, back to the drawing board :'( :'(
I could not own one of those.
Cheers
Parry
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What if looked like this?
(pinched form another forum...)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/fzj79/IMG_0235_large.jpg)
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http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos/5 (http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/photos/5)
problem with the extendeds is the rampover angle,... you couldnt go over many humps in high country without bellying out.
(http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/sites/default/files/gallery/111-1130_IMG.jpg)
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What if looked like this?
(pinched form another forum...)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/fzj79/IMG_0235_large.jpg)
yes please!!
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x2 except for the colour
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problem with the extendeds is the rampover angle,... you couldnt go over many humps in high country without bellying out.
(http://www.creativeconversions.com.au/sites/default/files/gallery/111-1130_IMG.jpg)
susposed to be based on the 79 series wheel base- don't hear many problems with there wheel base in the high country- be around 300m shorter than that pictured- but that will have a limiting effect on the tray length
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agree... but that is it... in Dubai.
Theres also a short wheel base over there.... that should get the kiddies dribbling
I love their thinking.
"we'll make a vehicle the market has been asking for and then stick massive protruding bumpers and dress it up with a lovely vomit green paint job with the leftover stickers from the 70s"
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This one?
Thats some overhang!
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab2.jpg)
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab.jpg)
Isnt that one an aftermarket conversion in dubai. Ugly enough to make a bottle of medicine sick.
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Isnt that one an aftermarket conversion in dubai. Ugly enough to make a bottle of medicine sick.
Yeah, apparently so. Just some dodgy conversion in Dubai
Wouldnt want to put too much weight on that towbar! Front wheels would be in mid air!
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Isnt that one an aftermarket conversion in dubai. Ugly enough to make a bottle of medicine sick.
Oooee......ouch!!!
That gives me an eye ache just looking at it.
I don't think Toyota would produce anything that gross. It's like the perfect gift for the Mother-in-Law.
Cheerio - Wayne
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Toyota have plenty of fugly stickers. Most Cruisers and Prados in China are algae green with those crap decals down each side.
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Bugger me, thats one unfortunate looking truck :'(
Thats gold :cheers:
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I heard this dual cab rumour about 4 weeks ago. Also possibly a diesel Rav 4.
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This one?
Thats some overhang!
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab2.jpg)
(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd234/cremo1/70dualcab.jpg)
Actually dont be too hard on it. I think its got the optional "bolt an anti aircraft gun in the back" option.
They seem to need this from time to time;
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=libya+images+truck+gun&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=zEcrT4erBcbGmQXvibXZDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CA8Q_AUoAQ&biw=1413&bih=1005 (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=libya+images+truck+gun&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=zEcrT4erBcbGmQXvibXZDw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CA8Q_AUoAQ&biw=1413&bih=1005)
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Yes I still shake my head every time I think of that wheel track difference. It's a reason I thought I'd never to buy one of the new models...but you know what they say...never say never, yeah we ended up with an '08 Troopy.
Funny thing is that it's not just the wheel track, thanks to that new v8 engine and thanks to the fact that it's the model before they upgraded the dash to the new style, first thing I noticed is that it's very evident that they've just bunged the old dash into this new car with noticeable gaps between end of dash and where the door is! Obviously too hard to make it that little bit wider! Another head shaker from Toyota considering the price you pay!
So I wouldn't be surprised really if the new dual cab turns out to be a head shaker in one way or another!
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What if looked like this?
(pinched form another forum...)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/fzj79/IMG_0235_large.jpg)
Absolutely! That's the one Mr Toyota, please make that one
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Or this one
(http://www.myswag.org/gallery/d/37710-1/IMG_0234.jpg)
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I went to the Toyota dealer today and askedthe saleslady about te twin cab troopy and she said no they are not coming to Oz. she then asks the manager and he says yes, later in the year. I said how much and he said that they are running bets on it because nobody knows. However ball park figure is around the 80+k mark
Donuts
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I went to the Toyota dealer today and askedthe saleslady about te twin cab troopy and she said no they are not coming to Oz. she then asks the manager and he says yes, later in the year. I said how much and he said that they are running bets on it because nobody knows. However ball park figure is around the 80+k mark
Donuts
Bargain....... At that price I'll be ordering two of 'em
>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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I hear there is one at ARB being measured for accessories.
Theres also a new Navara around the traps for the same thing...
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Thx 99disco for spotting the correct doner truck. Obviously don't know my 70 series. I guess no intercooler scoop should have been obvious!
Still, gives a good idea of what the canopy may look like...
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I heard this dual cab rumour about 4 weeks ago. Also possibly a diesel Rav 4.
I'm pretty sure, but not 100%, that the diesel RAV has been out for a while and available in the UK.
If it makes it here it will be on my list as a second car. ;D
Cheers - WD
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Looks like I will just have to keep my busted-arse old 80 series ...LOL
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Those arb pics are not of a new v8 cruiser. It's an old six cyl that's been converted to dual cab by the looks it's even got Bfg km1 MUDs on it that are no longer available.
Shane
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Those arb pics are not of a new v8 cruiser. It's an old six cyl that's been converted to dual cab by the looks it's even got Bfg km1 MUDs on it that are no longer available.
Shane
shhhhh. they are on a roll
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If they are pinning this new Duel Cab on sales from the mining boom then it wont happen. BMA has release that all new vehicles have to be NCAP 5 Star rated with a two year grace period for the change. So bye bye 70 series Dual Cab, you were a nice dream.
But demand for Armaroks, BT50's and Rangers in white has now gone through the roof!
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Rio Tinto has quite a few duel cab 70 series utes running around on its Pilbara mines, so they might take a few of them as it would save some $$$ getting them built.
BMA has release that all new vehicles have to be NCAP 5 Star rated with a two year grace period for the change.
BMA is BHP isnt it? Theres plently of other mining companies around that dont go anywhere as extreme as BHP in regards to some safety items. Rio dosent even need ROP hoops in 4wds from what I've seen ;D So I image they will continue to buy them for some years to come
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I guess we will have to wait and see... I'm not holding my breath. 8)
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Landrover defender has a factory dual cab, the interior and road handling characterisitcs are more agricultural though.
@ brett - there has been talk of NCAP compiance for many years, however, each time they field test non-commercial vehicles, the finding is that they are not really built to stand up to the task. Strict speed limits <80kms have been inforce on most sites for a few years because of this.
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I asked the Toyota dealer we buy our vehicles about this about a month ago and was told the dual cab 70 series is on its way. I was in there yesterday and asked again. I was told it is 100% definitely coming out late this year. Other than that they knew less than me, but I'll be getting one ;D
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$80k ??? for a cab chassis - I doubt it.
My money is they will be similar priced similar to the 76 series.
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$80k ??? for a cab chassis - I doubt it.
My money is they will be similar priced similar to the 76 series.
Have a look at their pov pack 200 series and how much overpriced it is...
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53674/2013-toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53674/2013-toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab)
Still looks stupidly long between axles.
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That report suggests is shares the same wheel base as the 79 single cab, hence the over hanging tray.
I agree it looks a little out of balance, but with a lift and bigger Tyres it would be nice.
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That report suggests is shares the same wheel base as the 79 single cab, hence the over hanging tray.
I agree it looks a little out of balance, but with a lift and bigger Tyres it would be nice.
these
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/truck.php?item=BajaClawTTC (http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/truck.php?item=BajaClawTTC)
54's??
(http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/images/products/baja_claw_ttc.jpg)
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53674/2013-toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/53674/2013-toyota-landcruiser-70-series-dual-cab)
Still looks stupidly long between axles.
They are not pictures. I would be surprised if it looks like that as the wheelbase is out of scale when you compare it to a single cab. I would expect some kind of cutaway at the back of the cab would be required if the current wheelbase is maintained. Overhang looks silly but nothing that could not be fixed with a custom tray 300- 600mm shorter.
If they offered it as a coil all around option, then we could start talking about it being a seriously good touring wagon.
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It's all true
I ordered one from Cooma Toyota yesterday
I is being built in August
Delivered September
Landcruiser 70 series GXL Dual Cab with integral tray same as the Hi Lux
More to follow soon
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It's all true
I ordered one from Cooma Toyota yesterday
I is being built in August
Delivered September
Landcruiser 70 series GXL Dual Cab with integral tray same as the Hi Lux
More to follow soon
Good for you! I'll be visiting my dealer asap to see if I can order mine ;D Let us know any news.
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Really looking forward to seeing one.
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It's all true
I ordered one from Cooma Toyota yesterday
I is being built in August
Delivered September
Landcruiser 70 series GXL Dual Cab with integral tray same as the Hi Lux
More to follow soon
You must have photos then - you wouldn't buy a car if you've never seen it in the flesh, unless you're getting ripped off by someone who works on an oil rig and needs Paypal deposit to get the vehicle released for viewing etc etc...even a dealer brochure?
Mark.
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I think October launch as August is first build. ABS standard also across range!
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this will be the 1st time ARB offer a 16" lift. It will be needed to bold the rear up once fitting their rear bar with those 2t of steel side protectors..... ;D
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If they are pinning this new Duel Cab on sales from the mining boom then it wont happen. BMA has release that all new vehicles have to be NCAP 5 Star rated with a two year grace period for the change. So bye bye 70 series Dual Cab, you were a nice dream.
But demand for Armaroks, BT50's and Rangers in white has now gone through the roof!
I believe that this rules the hilux out to ???
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You must have photos then - you wouldn't buy a car if you've never seen it in the flesh, unless you're getting ripped off by someone who works on an oil rig and needs Paypal deposit to get the vehicle released for viewing etc etc...even a dealer brochure?
Mark.
I did. I put in an order for the first 4 door Jeep Wrangler in Australia - 6 months before they even landed in the country. I did see a photo of one though!
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If they are pinning this new Duel Cab on sales from the mining boom then it wont happen. BMA has release that all new vehicles have to be NCAP 5 Star rated with a two year grace period for the change. So bye bye 70 series Dual Cab, you were a nice dream.
But demand for Armaroks, BT50's and Rangers in white has now gone through the roof!
I believe that this rules the hilux out to ???
I don't care if the mining companies buy them or not, I spoke to our dealer this morning and I order mine tomorrow :cheers:
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Hey guys I hope they do bring them in and good luck with your orders...
But i'm still a sceptic on this one as it would be in direct competition with the Hilux. I personally would be seeing something in writhing like an internal memo that has a brief overview of the vehicle that the dealer would have if they are taking orders. Like the one Toyota showed me about the Updated 200 Series back before it was released.
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I did. I put in an order for the first 4 door Jeep Wrangler in Australia - 6 months before they even landed in the country. I did see a photo of one though!
The difference is Jeep had released media to the public so you knew they were coming... Not just a rumour. ???
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Thanks Brett. I have spoken to a few dealers now over the last month, and although they all agree the vehicle will be available later this year, they know less than most of us about it. I can't believe they would be happy to take peoples money unless they are certain, but you never know. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Hey Chris a quick googling show all the press releases that say it's coming are from Feb or early March and state due to the Mining Boom. This is prior to BMA (the largest buyer and a 2 year grace for it's contractors) now demanding 5 Star NCAP Rating for all new vehicles. Doesn't look good to me. ???
Any way there is still the 70 Wagon, Troppie or Ute for you guys to drop your coin on. 8)
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But i'm still a sceptic on this one as it would be in direct competition with the Hilux.
I dont think they will in reality though common sense suggests you should be correct.
Toyota buyers are a funny lot and money often seems to be no issue or the real value of the product itself is not considered.
So I think they will sell like hotcakes.
cheers
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I wouldnt think it would be in competition with the Hilux any more than the Prado is in competition with the 200 series. Different size vehicles to start with, different size motors etc.
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Any way there is still the 70 Wagon, Troppie or Ute for you guys to drop your coin on. 8)
I need a ute for work and a single cab is out of the question for me. As far as dual cab utes go, this 70 series is the pick of the bunch imo.
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so those that are ordering this fictional car from walt disney, whats the actual full delivered price your paying on the road....
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The company I work for is looking at the mazda BT50 and Ranger models to be mine spec, so there should be lots of good 2nd hand toyotas that have never seen a road in their life up for auction soon. and there is rumors about rio and some others following bma lead with ancap rating but only rumors.
Jim
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Toyota Australia would be getting nervous I reckon. The demand from mining firms has kept the price and margins right up there.
This is not the first time they've dropped the ball. You'll all recall how Corolla was the undisputed champion of small cars for 20 years, but has languished for at least the last 6-7 years because Toyota didn't keep up in terms of technology and performance.
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Just stopped in at Walt Disney's place and ordered a 70 series dual cab ;D
GXL comes standard with 130 lt tank, front and rear diff locks and yes... a clock :cup:
Maybe I'm dreaming, but it doesn't feel like it.
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So surely with all these orders etc there must be some actual details, specs, pics and prices
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LOL to all of you doubters! I just went down to the local Toyota and paid my deposit for the new 300 series Cruiser. It's cheaper to lay the cash down now than when they are officially released! Lucky I got in early! I'm think about buying a bridge too........ :cheers:
Just jokes! I really like the concept of a dual cab 70 series. I hope it isn't fiction.
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What's that I heard, a new 300 series dual cab?
I want one!!
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Just stopped in at Walt Disney's place and ordered a 70 series dual cab ;D
GXL comes standard with 130 lt tank, front and rear diff locks and yes... a clock :cup:
Maybe I'm dreaming, but it doesn't feel like it.
Fair dinkum is This like a clue a night ? Can you tell us some more? Are they like the photos? Dollars?
:worthles:
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Fair dinkum is This like a clue a night ? Can you tell us some more? Are they like the photos? Dollars?
:worthles:
No pics or price yet. The money you pay to order is refundable at any time before a deposit is paid, so there is no risk. If it costs too much, which it might, or looks really stupid or doesn't eventuate I'll bail out. Otherwise I will hopefully get one without too long a wait.
I sat in an office while the dealer read out the features for the new dual cab off the computer screen. Some of you guys might think I'm in lala land and that this is all bs, but I see no big deal with ordering a car that the dealers say is definitely coming out later this year. If it doesn't I get my money back and start looking for a far less suitable work vehicle. I use my 4x4 as a tractor pulling a plough/seeder in boggy conditions for up to 3 months a year and over rough and rocky terrain the rest of the time. The dual cab utes we have get bashed around because of lack of clearance (except our old 1998 Hilux). They don't make them like they used too. If the pessimists of Myswag are right and this 70 series dualcab becomes a myth, can anyone recommend a good HEAVY DUTY 4X4 dual cab besides a Landrover Defender? I can't think of one. And for the Nissan diehards, if I could get a dual cab Patrol I'd be happy with that too.
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Chris,
Have seen plenty of Dual Cab Patrols & Cruisers, the "chop"is done by Custom Conversions in Brissy, they also extend the wheelbase - from memory the cost is about $20k but that was a while ago.
And no, I don't have any affiliation to them, just seen some of their work - not sure if you would want to spend the $$$'s & use it as a tractor though!
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Thanks Chris that's good news and was only have a bit of fun, hope it all comes through for you. It sure sounds like Toyota are making them and they are coming here. I presume there making them for the whole world so it really shouldnt matter whether the mining companies take them up or not. Just might effect the pricing. I would think if they have a good sturdy tray with hard points for mounting tripods they will get plenty of business in Africa and the middle east as well.
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Chris,
Have seen plenty of Dual Cab Patrols & Cruisers, the "chop"is done by Custom Conversions in Brissy, they also extend the wheelbase - from memory the cost is about $20k but that was a while ago.
And no, I don't have any affiliation to them, just seen some of their work - not sure if you would want to spend the $$$'s & use it as a tractor though!
Thanks for that HEMI. I think I have seen their website but I think I have to agree with your last sentence. An extra 20k is a lot of money on top of the initial outlay for a new 4X4. Because it's for work I like to buy something suitable for the job (if possible) and not have to modify it too much.Thanks Chris that's good news and was only have a bit of fun, hope it all comes through for you. It sure sounds like Toyota are making them and they are coming here. I presume there making them for the whole world so it really shouldnt matter whether the mining companies take them up or not. Just might effect the pricing. I would think if they have a good sturdy tray with hard points for mounting tripods they will get plenty of business in Africa and the middle east as well.
No worries Jimmy, one thing I was told was that the cab chassis is the only option and I'm sure there will be plenty sold for tripod installation. The thing that worries me most about this vehicle is the possible price for the GXL with front and rear diff lockers and long range tank. Add AC, bullbar, canopy and tow bar and I shudder to think how much it might cost. It might be the work mate for me :'(
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Here is the full story
I have owned quite a few toyotas over th past 30 odd years
I put 300,000 on a 3l non turbo hilux
I put 300,000 on. GXL diesel landcruiser
I then broke my leg and could no longer push the clutch pedal in so sold it 2nd hand for 36,000
That's slightly over 50% of its purchase price 70,000 after 6 year
I really really loved that car so now that the leg is better I want to relive the dream
I went in to get a 70 series cab chasis as the kids have all grown up and left home
The sales man at Cooma Toyota ( who I have known for years) tells me that in the last week he went on a Toyota conference where hey were shown he new dual cab
WE then went onto the pre order web site and had a look
Blow me down they were taking orders for the dual cab so we ordered one
He said that if I didn't want it when it arrived that they would use it as floor stock
No problem
What color would you like
Charcoal grey
Ok
Deal done
No price but dearer than a 70 series cab chasis and cheaper than a 200 series
What more can a man ask for
Happy happy
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Not sure if just me, but link didn't work.
1HDT
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Me neither! ???
Page not found.
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia)
GG
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia)
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http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/54738/toyota-landcruiser-lc79-70-series-double-cab-on-sale-in-australia)
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Jinx.
I have to say I fell in love with V8Utes awesome beast over the weekend. It looked tough and sounded tougher. I reckon the dual cab will be very popular.
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How far off a Hilux are those prices? They seem very reasonable...
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It'll be interesting to see what features it has. Looking at current ute/wagons in to 70 series. They all lack the 5 star Ancap rating. Mines are only wanting this know due to OH&S. Hope it arrives with all the bells and whistles. Wagon will be next then I'll be ordering a 76 series wagon....oh what a feeling.
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If I only waited a few more months. Oh well, that will be my next car if I survive.
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Thanks for that HEMI. I think I have seen their website but I think I have to agree with your last sentence. An extra 20k is a lot of money on top of the initial outlay for a new 4X4. Because it's for work I like to buy something suitable for the job (if possible) and not have to modify it too much.No worries Jimmy, one thing I was told was that the cab chassis is the only option and I'm sure there will be plenty sold for tripod installation. The thing that worries me most about this vehicle is the possible price for the GXL with front and rear diff lockers and long range tank. Add AC, bullbar, canopy and tow bar and I shudder to think how much it might cost. It might be the work mate for me :'(
Cost me 66k on the road for my workmate which I pick up in a few weeks. That is for the GXL with rear lockers and a/c. Should have waited. Got mine at Toyota in Benalla. P.S. mines a wagon.
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I used my phone to put it up so I might haves missed some of it will post again when have computer access.
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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2012/commercial/toyota/landcruiser/toyota-launches-dual-cab-and-abs-for-70-series-31721 (http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2012/commercial/toyota/landcruiser/toyota-launches-dual-cab-and-abs-for-70-series-31721)
and it is also on the toyota website now
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This will sell them;
"The double cab will carry five adults as well as providing a one-tonne payload for their heavy gear, such as surveying equipment," he said.
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Well I was one of the biggest skeptic on this one... Never thought it would happen but Toyota has proven me wrong....
But looking at the prices for a VJ79DC GXL @ $67900 plus on roads plus avg of $3500 for Steel Tray plus any other extra's.... I wont be selling the 200 series anytime soon.
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I am Brett as far as the price goes, if we decide on the LS-T D.Max and fully set up we are looking at around $64K and with spending 80% on the highway I know what I would prefer to be driving. Also the economy difference D.Max 8.1 L/100 and the Cruiser 11.9 L/100, that is combined, another good reason to save some money.
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No mention of towing capacity, so I guess it will still be the normal 3.5T
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Also the economy difference D.Max 8.1 L/100 and the Cruiser 11.9 L/100, that is combined, another good reason to save some money.
Bruce, the difference will be three fifths of stuff all over the life of the verhicle. Car companies and media have put the focus on fuel economy, but this is one of the lesser costs in vehicle ownership. Where Land Cruisers have out performed other 4wbies is in resale.
The D-Max is a great ute, really there is not a bad vehicle amongst the dual cab crowd these days. I have a sense that even though the other utes have similar power, similar towing capacity and weight carrying, the LC79 dual cab will be the leader offroad.
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the LC79 dual cab will be the leader offroad
But this is what I am saying, "how many people here on this forum, for example, will use their 4WD off road more than 50% of the time. And all the new utes out there as pretty capable now more than either. Plus it's the ride quality and comfort for me these days :D ;D
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No argument there. I'd love to be using mine offroad 90% but it's my only vehicle and I use it for work as well as getting to work, like a bunch of us. Even then, most trips would be 80% bitumen I'm guessing, by the time you drive to the location and home again.
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No argument there. I'd love to be using mine offroad 90% but it's my only vehicle and I use it for work as well as getting to work, like a bunch of us. Even then, most trips would be 80% bitumen I'm guessing, by the time you drive to the location and home again.
I forgot I am getting old :D ;D
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WTF don't Toyota just bite the bullet and bring out a 200 series dual cab.
IMO they would sell like hot cakes.
:cheers:
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Also the economy difference D.Max 8.1 L/100 and the Cruiser 11.9 L/100
Try more like 16.5L/100 for the Cruiser as that is what my average was over 80000kms in my ute.
But the 200 series is not that much better with 14.5L/100 over the last 30000kms.
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Try more like 16.5L/100 for the Cruiser as that is what my average was over 80000kms in my ute.
But the 200 series is not that much better with 14.5L/100 over the last 30000kms.
When we test drove the new D.Max, had it for an hour, doing 100 Ks the computer was showing 7.1L/100. They advertise 7L/100 extra urban, not bad for a new vehicle with only 200 Ks on the clock.
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Wow. It sure is ugly. After however many years, that's the best they can come up with? Creative Conversions / RWV Conversions do a more factory-looking job!
http://www.rwvconversions.com/70series.htm (http://www.rwvconversions.com/70series.htm)
I tend to agree that it's a case of "too little, too late", but I still envisage they'll sell a heap of them.
+1 to Swogjb too - I do like a cut-down 200. There's a few of them getting around Cairns. http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm (http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm)
Cheers!
Matto :)
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I have often thought the conversions didn't look quite right unless the wheel base was increased, and to some extent the 79 looks like it has a little too much overhang, but I reckon it will come up looking good with larger wheels and tyres and some bar work. Most stock 7Xs look a bit average.
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I have often thought the conversions didn't look quite right unless the wheel base was increased,
I agree, they for some reason either look too stubby, but then extended chassis they look stupidly long and would never make it round the high country with some of the hairpins!
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...but then extended chassis they look stupidly long and would never make it round the high country with some of the hairpins!
That's my take. I can't stand extended wheelbase conversions - they just look soooooooo long. Think Stretch-hummer long. That's what I see when I see the factory DC pics - it looks like it's so long.
I'm down with stumpy. Sure, you lose capacity and load carrying ability, but I'd be willing to make that sacrafice
The one exception to this is the blue BA XR8 ute that lives near us, with the 6-wheel conversion, shaker hood, big colour-coded alloy box on the back, and "2 Tonner" badges on it. That thing is cool.
Thanks!
Matto :)
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When we test drove the new D.Max, had it for an hour, doing 100 Ks the computer was showing 7.1L/100. They advertise 7L/100 extra urban, not bad for a new vehicle with only 200 Ks on the clock.
go 2 sizes up in the tyres, add in all the barwork and then check out your "new economy" in the dmax (or any other dual cab) especially the smaller capacity VW
Bretts figures compair to my experiences with 33" tyres on cruisers in the past.
My figures on the triton dual cab auto 3.2 did with 32" mud tyres and bar work is more like 12l/100 or 4l/100 worse than the official listing.
Getting worse- up to 17l/100 when towing a offroad van.
fuel- you put it in- who cares, as long as what you drive is what you want- factory specs mean nothing
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http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/latest-news/152-worth-waiting-for (http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/latest-news/152-worth-waiting-for)
This is great news if you love the 1980's!
Personally cars have improved over the last three decades.
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Personally cars have improved over the last three decades.
In many ways they have, but unfortunately this will be the ultimate dual cab work horse available for those of us who need power and durability.
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http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/latest-news/152-worth-waiting-for (http://www.mr4x4.com.au/index.php/latest-news/152-worth-waiting-for)
This is great news if you love the 1980's!
Personally cars have improved over the last three decades.
Yep cars have improved over the last three decades but you can't take a 4wd and make it car.
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Try more like 16.5L/100 for the Cruiser as that is what my average was over 80000kms in my ute.
But the 200 series is not that much better with 14.5L/100 over the last 30000kms.
I am probably sitting at around the 14L/100ks mark at the moment. Still got the bigger tyres to go. When I first got it before anything was done, the trip back up from the gold coast I got probably mid 11's.
It is drinking a little bit more than I was expecting, but in the big scheme of things the extra costs are bugger all. Tell you what though, these things can drink with a day of low range under their belts......... ;D
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http://youtu.be/LXDTdKRNHTQ (http://youtu.be/LXDTdKRNHTQ)
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I was talking to my brother in law yesterday and he was thinking of buying one of the new dual cabs and started to negotiate a price with a local dealer. He offered a clean swap of his immaculate 2009 Prado (55,000 on the clock) and his 2005 turbo Landcruiser ute. The dealer said yes, but he still wanted some cash, another $1,900. My bother in law told the dealer where to put his offer. $1,900 does not sound like much, but you would think an immaculate Prado and a 2005 ute would be a more then fair swap for the dual cab. ???
Kevin
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I went into our Toyota dealer this morning to drop off a Hilux for servicing. The dual cab 70 series I ordered had been delivered last night so I had a look at it. Outside it looked impressive but it is the first time I have been inside one of the V8 models. I have to say I was underwhelmed! It really did look like I had time travelled back to the 80's. One measly cup holder, compartments that look like they wouldn't even hold a street directoryand dinky little centre console and door arm rests. My business partner was shocked at what you appear to get for the money. One of the main reasons I want this vehicle is to drag our camper around the country on rough roads without a struggle and without reliability dramas, and to pull our seeder and harvesters at work. I still think this is the best dual cab for the job but Toyota must be making a killing selling these things. With an aluminium tray, AC and a tow bar it will be about $70,000. A bull bar and aluminium canopy is going to make this thing really expensive so I've got some thinking to do over the next few days.
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I saw one on the road this morning, had to look twice as I thought it was a custom job. It was a GXL in the graphite colour and looked nice but yeah the interior is from the 1970s. I think my mum's XY falcon had the same arm rests :)
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Here it is. I'm still thinking about if I want it or not. The price on-road is $75,700 with AC, tow bar and tray :o
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/43183-2/LC+2.jpg)
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/43187-2/LC+1.jpg)
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One of the main reasons I want this vehicle is to drag our camper around the country on rough roads without a struggle and without reliability dramas, and to pull our seeder and harvesters at work.
IMO if thats what your main criteria are, then it fits the bill. Powerful & tough enough to pull the black stump out!
I still dont like those snorkels tho 8)
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IMO if thats what your main criteria are, then it fits the bill. Powerful & tough enough to pull the black stump out!
I still dont like those snorkels tho 8)
:cheers:
True, it's mainly the price I'm having trouble with :-\
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You have to remember the best feature of the 70 Series is that it is a plain wrapper. No other crap that you don't need and plenty of room to put in all the good stuff you do want. The best blank canvas you can get really. But in saying that the price tag is a bit over the top. The 70s can be tricked up to be some of the best custom vehicles around. If you biggest complaint is one cup holder, then really what are you complaining about. I would have one today if it wasn't for the bank saying all I could afford was a second hand 80 series. Once the mods start you will enjoy it.
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Once the mods start you will enjoy it.
That's one of my problems, there won't be any money left for mods :'( The other problem is convincing my business partner who just got a D-Max that cost $51,000. That's $24,000 less than the 70 series, or in other terms $24,000 worth of my guilt. The next few days will be interesting to say the least.
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I saw one on the road this morning, had to look twice as I thought it was a custom job. It was a GXL in the graphite colour and looked nice but yeah the interior is from the 1970s. I think my mum's XY falcon had the same arm rests :)
gee, what do you want for $80g's... :(
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gee, what do you want for $80g's... :(
Next thing, he'll be expecting AC and a CD player...
Cheers,
Matto :)
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Remember what you're getting for ur money...the name....TOYOTA....!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I have nothing against Toyota. Really I don't >:D but geez 75.5 for that .
I would take your partners dmax with 25k of extras on it over the cruiser any day of the week.
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I have nothing against Toyota. Really I don't >:D but geez 75.5 for that .
I would take your partners dmax with 25k of extras on it over the cruiser any day of the week.
yeah but some people need - or want - the truck-tech chassis, spliminy-teen gigajules of torque and the fuss-free load carrying and towing ability
For $50K I can buy a Great Wall AND a second-hand Boxster
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That's one of my problems, there won't be any money left for mods :'( The other problem is convincing my business partner who just got a D-Max that cost $51,000. That's $24,000 less than the 70 series, or in other terms $24,000 worth of my guilt. The next few days will be interesting to say the least.
Jump in a D-Max and then enjoy the extra room in the 70
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I still can't get my head around the price of the 76 wagon let alone the dual cabs. To bring back the 76 wagon and charge new-tech money for it is hard to fathom. You can understand the likes of Prado and 200 series where new tech would have cost plenty of coin. Put it this way - if Nissan re-introduced the GQ and did little more other than a new motor, ABS and air bags, what would people be prepared to pay? That's exactly what Toyota have done. If they charged Toyota coin you'd tell them where to go.
That's not to say I don't want one but if I were in the position to I'd find it hard to justify.
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I still can't get my head around the price of the 76 wagon let alone the dual cabs. To bring back the 76 wagon and charge new-tech money for it is hard to fathom. You can understand the likes of Prado and 200 series where new tech would have cost plenty of coin. Put it this way - if Nissan re-introduced the GQ and did little more other than a new motor, ABS and air bags, what would people be prepared to pay? That's exactly what Toyota have done. If they charged Toyota coin you'd tell them where to go.
That's not to say I don't want one but if I were in the position to I'd find it hard to justify.
I know what you're saying, but Nissan don't have competition for the 70 series dual cab. The closest is the Defender. If this was purely a personal vehicle I wouldn't even consider it, and a 76 series would be well out of my price range. Because of my work I have to have a ute, preferably a strong one. If anyone has a better suggestion let me know soon :)
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That's not to say I don't want one but if I were in the position to I'd find it hard to justify.
I think that about many things.... like an 50k campertrailer or 120k offroad caravan....
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That's one of my problems, there won't be any money left for mods :'( The other problem is convincing my business partner who just got a D-Max that cost $51,000. That's $24,000 less than the 70 series, or in other terms $24,000 worth of my guilt. The next few days will be interesting to say the least.
The justification is that the Toyota will still be working hard in 20 years time, the D-max will be retired and your partner would have bought 3 more.
:cheers:
Cracka
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The justification is that the Toyota will still be working hard in 20 years time, the D-max will be retired and your partner would have bought 3 more.
probably true...
but most people turn cars over ever 3-5yrs tops these days, so thats all they are designed to last. You'd cry having a 6 yr old euro car (audi, alfa, etc etc) that you had to pay to maintain yourself
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I guess if this is the only vehicle that is going to suit your needs you will have to put up with Toyota bending you over.... ::) :'(
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I guess if this is the only vehicle that is going to suit your needs you will have to put up with Toyota bending you over.... ::) :'(
This seems to be the real issue. Who makes a vehicle that can carry 4 people, vehicle mods and 500kg of gear and still be under GVM. Will it then handle the abuse of Australian "roads" and tracks
Not a lot of choice, even the 200 series GX cant do that so even if they turned it into a dual cab they would have to upgrade it. Twin cab utes mostly meet the load requirements but they don't seem to handle the roads.
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This seems to be the real issue. Who makes a vehicle that can carry 4 people, vehicle mods and 500kg of gear and still be under GVM. Will it then handle the abuse of Australian "roads" and tracks
A Fuso Canter FG 715 MWB 4x4 will do all that, but comes with it's own issues. Biggest of which probably being the Mrs refusing to drive it down to the shops for milk.
I guess if this is the only vehicle that is going to suit your needs you will have to put up with Toyota bending you over.... ::) :'(
At the end of the day, if it's the only one that suits, then it doesn't matter if there are cheaper alternatives. After all, if price was the main consideration you may as well buy a second hand hatchback. Unfortunately this is a prime example of why the lack of competition in a sector hurts the consumer.
Your other alternative, as Alan has mentioned, might be to get a 200-series and have it cut down.:
http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm (http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm)
Most places can do a GMV upgrade for you at the same time as the chop or chassis extension. Stick either a or driven lazy axle under the back for even higher load carrying capacity. But that won't be a cheap prospect either.
I wouldn't count the Defender right out. They're still a pretty basic, unergonomic truck, but the Toyota offerings aren't exactly the most modern things either...
Good luck,
Matto :)
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A Fuso Canter FG 715 MWB 4x4 will do all that, but comes with it's own issues. Biggest of which probably being the Mrs refusing to drive it down to the shops for milk.
At the end of the day, if it's the only one that suits, then it doesn't matter if there are cheaper alternatives. After all, if price was the main consideration you may as well buy a second hand hatchback. Unfortunately this is a prime example of why the lack of competition in a sector hurts the consumer.
Your other alternative, as Alan has mentioned, might be to get a 200-series and have it cut down.:
http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm (http://www.rwvconversions.com/200series.htm)
Most places can do a GMV upgrade for you at the same time as the chop or chassis extension. Stick either a or driven lazy axle under the back for even higher load carrying capacity. But that won't be a cheap prospect either.
I wouldn't count the Defender right out. They're still a pretty basic, unergonomic truck, but the Toyota offerings aren't exactly the most modern things either...
Good luck,
Matto :)
Thanks Matto. I hope to pick it up next week, or possibly the week after depending on when the tray will be ready. A cut down 200 series would be nice but it's not going to happen. I'm not a landrover enthusiast either, although I appreciate they are a very capable 4X4. Our oldest Hilux has had some mechanical problems and will be traded in asap making the purchase of the 70 series a bit more urgent so I can pass my Hilux onto our crews. The plan is to replace our two SR Hiluxes with D22 Navaras next year. We already have a D22 and it's doing the job.
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Out of curiosity are they available as a style side or cab chassis only.
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Out of curiosity are they available as a style side or cab chassis only.
Cab chassis only unfortunately.
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yeah but some people need - or want - the truck-tech chassis, spliminy-teen gigajules of torque and the fuss-free load carrying and towing ability
But the torque is less that a Kia Sorento
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But the torque is less that a Kia Sorento
At 1,200 rpm?
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But the torque is less that a Kia Sorento
I read its max torque is from 1800rpm to 2500rpm, not bad, but one of these motors is in a high state of tune and the other very low...this leads back to whether you want to keep the vehicle for 3 years or 20.
I wouldn't be worried about the longevity of an Isuzu diesel though, one of the worlds largest diesel manufacturers (if not the largest) and cast your mind back to the old 2.8 TD Rodeo motor - as reliable as any other and strong.
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At 1,200 rpm?
Chip it for $1k and add an exhaust.
Much cheaper than $75k ish
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I checked the dual cab 'cruiser' out a couple of weeks ago.
I must admit that I was left scratching my head at the drive away price for the GXL.
HTF can air conditioning not come standard?
By the time you put a tow bar, bull bar and a decent drop side tray on board your over the 80g on the road. 8 ???
Yes.... To bloody expensive, it makes he GX 200 series look almost a good option.
But in saying that, no other dual cab in the Australian market will take the abuse that he 70 series can.
The Hilux, Triton, Rangers etc etc are no doubt nicer to drive and more car like, but are all built to light for heavy duty use on a day in day out basis.
:cheers:
Glenn
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But in saying that, no other dual cab in the Australian market will take the abuse that he 70 series can.
The Hilux, Triton, Rangers etc etc are no doubt nicer to drive and more car like, but are all built to light for heavy duty use on a day in day out basis.
what about the patrol. if you can keep the engine together, it will take a hammering.
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what about the patrol. if you can keep the engine together, it will take a hammering.
It's just that TD30 ticking time bomb.....
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what about the patrol. if you can keep the engine together, it will take a hammering.
Mate.... My last work ute was a GU 4.2 ute. It was bullet proof.
I would not touch a patrol with the 3L engine. Maybe ok for the odd towing holiday and as a daily drive but not for a work horse.
IMO Toyota Landcruiser dual cab is needed in the Australian market, problem being purchase price 20g to much.
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But the torque is less that a Kia Sorento
Why would I want to trash a Kia Sorento at work?
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Why would I want to trash a Kia Sorento at work?
Think you got the question slightly skewed Chris:
Why would I want a Kia?? covers it i reakon. LMAO
:cheers: Cracka
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Think you got the question slightly skewed Chris:
Why would I want a Kia?? covers it i reakon. LMAO
:cheers: Cracka
Yeah I could have said that, and a Kia Sorento with a 1K chip and exhaust isn't going to help me much either even if it saves my business lots of money.
I guess the 70 series is misunderstood by a lot of people who don't need such a vehicle. They are a workhorse made tough and to last, not for comfort and luxury. The price tag is high and a lot of people would expect a lot more technology and refinement for their money, but IMO there is no tougher dual cab on the Australian market. Now I have signed the contract I am thinking how lucky I am to be getting the most suitable vehicle for my needs and not worrying about the single cup holder, the torque comparison between it and a Kia Sorento etc. I also believe that this vehicle is as tough and off road capable as my camper trailer, something that wasn't so with the SR Hilux.
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Yep you either love the 70s or you don't, one of those kind of vehicles. If the old 70s are anything to go by you will enjoy it many times over. Just remember :worthles:
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Yep you either love the 70s or you don't, one of those kind of vehicles. If the old 70s are anything to go by you will enjoy it many times over. Just remember :worthles:
Thanks Al (or Jan). Don't worry, I'll be posting a few pics after I pick it up. There won't be many mods, but a bullbar, ali canopy and a reversing camera will happen next year.
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I picked it up this afternoon ;D
I traded in my oldest Hilux. Our crews were very upset to see it go and so was I. I took it up to Fraser and Cape York with my wife on our honeymoon back in 2004 and while I owned it it gave me no trouble for 200,000k's. It was a great vehicle.
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/43372-2/IMG_9724.jpg)
(http://gallery.myswag.org/gallery/d/43375-2/IMG_9727.jpg)
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It's different than my 2008 Hilux to drive, but I like it a lot :)
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Looks great, will be good to watch it grow and evolve
GG
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x2 :cup:
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Nice looking ute. How's the ride?
KB
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Great looking ute Chris. I saw one on the road recently and although it looked top notch, it seemed very lonnnnnng. May be a silly question, but are they longer axle to axle than the troopie ?
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Thanks guys :)
KB, the ride is good. Nice and smooth. The seats are pretty soft though, I'll have to see how I go on a long drive.
Kydar, the wheel base is 3180mm, the same as the single cab ute. The Troopy is only 2980mm. Who would have thought ???