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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Maîneÿ . . . on January 08, 2012, 10:25:28 PM
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:4x4:With so many brands of recovery equipment available,
what are the most 'reliable' and can I say best "quality" snatch straps on the market ??
Who uses what brand ??
*Bushranger
*Kaymar
-Ironman
-TerrainTamer
-BlackRat
-OpositeLock
#ARB
reading reports from 4WD forums
* excellent reports ;D
# rated as bad >:(
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The 4x4 Action magazine team previously done a comparison test on all big brands for quality, load rating and value for money. I have a ARB 11000kg snatch strap. It cost $120 at an ARB dealer.
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Before deciding to buy an 11,000kg strap or an even stronger one, check whether your recovery points can take such a load. I carry a TJM 8,000kg strap - if I can't recover or be recovered by that I'll try something else rather than use a stronger one. Depends on your vehicle and the type of recovery points, but I'd rather break the strap than have it pull the recovery point off either vehicle - a piece of metal propelled by an 11,000kg strap is as lethal an object as you could find.
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Couple of years ago spoke with a guy who had been involved doing NATA testing of all sorts of different straps of different brands. His advise was to buy "Just Straps" Snatch straps, said their gear consistently out performed other brands.
I went looking for Just Straps stuff, found that one of my suppliers sold their tie downs and was able to order in whatever I wanted. Prices were way cheaper than buying same things from 4wd shops. They don't come in fancy colours but they perform well.
:cheers:
Dave
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I can't understand why the ARB straps would be getting a bad rap, I always thought they were pretty good.
I agree with the others, you want a lighter strap if possible. From memory mine are only 8000kg or so. Unless it is only a very simple recovery I would use the winch.
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http://juststraps.com.au/ (http://juststraps.com.au/)
I have an older ARB recovery kit, only because I got a deal I couldn't refuse.
Your rating system is not correct either.
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I have an 8000kg ARB and have used it plenty of times (too many) - have always found it to be reliable. I was of the understanding that you need a suitably rated strap for your vehicle that will be strong enough to survive the strain yet light enough so that it stretches in the snatch.
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Your rating system is not correct either.
D4D, I've not rated them, I obtained the test results from the net - so they must be true :-*
I'm asking the question: "what are the good ones?"
LINK: http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/53955/snatch_strap_ratings.aspx (http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/53955/snatch_strap_ratings.aspx)
LINK: http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gq-y60-ford-maverick-11/snatch-strap-test-results-25695/ (http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/nissan-patrol-gq-y60-ford-maverick-11/snatch-strap-test-results-25695/)
LINK: http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3873 (http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3873)
I need to buy a snatchstrap b4 May, so want one that's rated as a quality product and is reliable ;D
These are the test results:
AUSTRALIAN 4WD MONTHLY
Snatch Strap Comparo - TIPS AND TECHNIQUES
Repco’s 7500kg, Megastrap’s 9500kg, Ox’s 8000kg and Terrain Tamer’s 8000kg straps all failed in our tests at around one tonne under the claimed rating.
There was only one ‘technical failure’ in the group. MeanGreen’s 10,000 kg strap failed by just 241kg – a margin of under 2.5 per cent. It’s hard to find too much fault with that.
Eight straps credibly exceeded the manufacturer’s rating – some by more than one tonne. Those excellent performers were Mean Green’s 8000kg, Kaymar’s 8000kg and Terrain Tamer’s 11,000kg straps.
What about when they’re wet? Well, it’s pretty obvious from the results that water does significantly reduce a snatch strap’s breaking load. (It must be remembered that snatch straps are often used while soaking wet in a creek, in mud or in the rain.) Of the straps that passed, the effect of being soaked with water for more than 24 hours was to reduce the breaking load by an average of 1048kg – more than one tonne. That’s between 9.1 and 12.5 per cent, depending on the rating of the strap.
Megastrap’s 11,000kg and 8000kg straps, Mean Green’s 8000kg strap and Terrain Tamer’s 11,000kg strap all experienced a reduction in breaking load of more than 1.1 tonnes when wet.
Only Kaymar and Bushranger offered straps (both rated 8000kg) that exceeded their minimum breaking load specification when both wet and dry. Super Cheap Auto’s 8000kg, Megastrap’s 8000kg, Mean Green’s 8000kg and Terrain Tamer’s 11,000kg strap came credibly close to their minimum breaking specification when wet, however.
How much did they stretch? That didn’t vary much, with the range being 15 per cent (Mean Green 8000kg, Terrain Tamer 11,000kg and Bushranger 8000kg) to 24 per cent (Megastrap 11,000kg). Among the 8000kg straps that passed the dry minimum breaking load test, Black Rat’s offers the most elongation, at 23 per cent.
CONCLUSION
Based on the relative results, it is extremely difficult to find a good reason to recommend any strap that our testing indicates did not match or exceed the manufacturers claimed performance. In comparing the straps, we awarded a winner and a runner-up, then divided the remainder into three categories indicative of the straps’ relative performances.
To fit into the ‘Highly Recommended’ category, a strap had to exceed its manufacturer’s rated load before breaking (dry) and exceed 90 per cent of the manufacturer’s rated load before breaking when wet. To fit the ‘Recommended’ category, a strap had to exceed (or come damn close to exceeding) the manufacturer’s rated load before breaking (dry), and exceed 85 per cent of the manufacturer’s rated load in the wet.
‘Not Recommended’ straps comprise the remainder – that is, the straps that failed to come within a reasonable margin of the manufacturer’s claimed minimum breaking load in our tests, and continued to under-perform in the wet.
WINNER
Kaymar 8000kg
For exceeding the manufacturer’s minimum break load by 1288kg during our dry-break test, continuing to exceed that limit by 681kg in the wet-break test, and offering an impressive 20 per cent stretch at 50 per cent of the rated 8000kg load.
RUNNER-UPBushranger 8000
For exceeding the manufacturer’s minimum break load by 679kg during our dry-break test, continuing to exceed that limit by 281kg in the wet-break test, and offering 15 per cent stretch at 50 per cent of the rated 8000kg load.
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
Mean Green 8000kg
Terrain Tamer 11,000kg
Megastrap 8000kg
Super Cheap Auto 8000kg
Black Rat 8000kg
(Best stretch in the 8000kg class – 23 per cent)
RECOMMENDED
Megastrap 11,000kg
(Best stretch in the 11,000kg class – 24 per cent)
Mean Green 10,000kg
NOT RECOMMENDED
Terrain Tamer 8000kg
Ox 8000kg
Repco Mortorguard 7500kg
Megastrap 9500kg
ARB 8000kg
ARB 11,000kg
Super Cheap Auto 9000kg
This is the link to the test above:
LINK: http://www.cc4wdclub.org.au/uploads/forums/snatchstraptest.pdf (http://www.cc4wdclub.org.au/uploads/forums/snatchstraptest.pdf)
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I wonder why they failed the ARB straps ::)
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This is copied from the test results - they are not my own words :'(
The results are based on the relative results, it is extremely difficult to find a good reason to recommend any strap that our testing indicates did not match or exceed the manufacturers claimed performance.
In comparing the straps, we awarded a winner and a runner-up, then divided the remainder into three categories indicative of the straps’ relative performances.
To fit into the ‘Highly Recommended’ category, a strap had to exceed its manufacturer’s rated load before breaking (dry) and exceed 90 per cent of the manufacturer’s rated load before breaking when wet. To fit the ‘Recommended’ category, a strap had to exceed (or come damn close to exceeding) the manufacturer’s rated load before breaking (dry), and exceed 85 per cent of the manufacturer’s rated load in the wet.
‘Not Recommended’ straps comprise the remainder – that is, the straps that failed to come within a reasonable margin of the manufacturer’s claimed minimum breaking load in our tests, and continued to under-perform in the wet.
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Interesting read Mainey.
In those results I would view the Bushranger strap as the winner, as it was the strap that broke closest to its braking strain recommendations. I can see that the Kaymar is a good performer however 1288kg over its recommended limit may in some circumstances cause some issues.
I have a brand new set of Opposite Lock straps and haven't used them yet, 8000kg snatch and 4000kg extention. Incidentally I went to use the extention strap yesterday to pull a tree off a track (Used a drag chain instead) and the straps are not marked. I thought this was poor form. One has a label that states 8000kg x 9m strap. The other one say's 4000kg x 20m. No where on them does it say winch extention/tow strap or snatch strap.
The rating of them to your vehicle is very important. I have broken a few in the field (always using rated shackles and tow points). On one occasion when recovering a mate we broke 3 or 4 straps, even with dampers on (Wet beach towels) the force of the strap put some light dents in the tailgate of the 80 series I had at the time. (Recovering a F250 duel cab with caravan attached)
I use 8000kg straps and just carry a few.
I would be interested on your view's as to wether these (8000kg) are too light should I need to recover a loaded 80 series and a packed camper (1500kg max).
Regards
Jas
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Interesting read Mainey.
I would be interested on your view's as to wether these (8000kg) are too light should I need to recover a loaded 80 series and a packed camper (1500kg max).
Jas
I'm the last guy who can give an opinion on them, reasoning is I've never, ever used a snatch strap, don't even remember having one in my hands at any stage in my life
But I hope, an expect that will change in the near future ;D
That's the sole reason for this thread, to give me the information required to allow me to make an educated decision so I can then buy the best available and not just rely on the advertising blurb.
I would have probably bought an ARB strap because they are so well advertised :'(
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I wonder why they failed the ARB straps ::)
A cynical person may suggest that ARB didn't supply the snatch
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I've had several ARB ones over the years inc a couple being used for club Driver training Demos, and never had one fail in a recovery. I have 2 now, and will stick with them, they work for me.
I don't believe anything in magazines... I feel they are full of biased advertising dollar bullShit results.
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I remember reading the report where the ARB straps failed, apparently ARB were very upset with the results but they were factual so couldn't deny the outcome. I believed it caused a big internal ruckus with their supplier and they sorted out the quality issues. There is a later report and the ARB straps now came out on top, or at least performed on top but may not have been the best value for money.
Was one of the very few non-biased reports i have seen in 4X4 Monthly (Action?) where they critisised an advertiser. But it had the right effect and ARB changed things to make it better.
Cheers
Captain
PS. No affiliation with ARB, just remembered reading the articles. I have several (3) ARB straps and (4) Just Straps for both snatch, winch, tow and protector - different lengths and rating snatch straps for different vehicles.
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I don't believe anything in magazines... I feel they are full of biased advertising dollar bull**** results.
I would have to agree with you there in most cases ;D ;D
However, when you read the way this test was done it does look like this test looks to have indisputable results that are directly relevant to the 'strength' of the straps and that is the information I am seeking
If there is a later test than this one, I would like to see their results as I don't want second rate snatch straps ;D
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I'm glad you've asked this question as Stookie and I were talking about quality snatch straps over Xmas. This will give us a starting point :cheers:
Lil :)
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Jas
I'm the last guy who can give an opinion on them, reasoning is I've never, ever used a snatch strap, don't even remember having one in my hands at any stage in my life
But I hope, an expect that will change in the near future ;D
That's the sole reason for this thread, to give me the information required to allow me to make an educated decision so I can then buy the best available and not just rely on the advertising blurb.
I would have probably bought an ARB strap because they are so well advertised :'(
I have used them 100's of times both at work and at play. They are great for a quick recovery in the right conditions. I have done a number of 4wd courses and been shown how to use them in various conditions. They are a great piece of kit to have as an option as long as you respect them because they are the most dangerous piece of recovery gear available IMHO.
When looking for a strap, look for one that suits your vehicle. Particularly the type of ends on the strap. Some have eye's of varying thickness and others (Some ARB) have the flat ends that are weaved back through the strap. Personally I go for looped ends that fit inside my towbar receiver. I remove the tow bar tongue put the strap in the receiver and then put the pin through the eye on the strap. I much prefer this method than attaching to a recovery point (Extra shackle - potential missile) at the back of the vehicle. It ensures that the strap pulls from the centre also not from one side. As you are aware you should never ever put a strap over a towball. Always use a damper also.
The best way is to have go at one with an unbogged vehicle, start off gentle and then work your way up as your confidence builds. They are quite gentle on the vehicle's when used properly. I generally go easy and do a couple of snatches rather than one big pull depending on the conditions and recovery type.
ARB have been around for a long time, and have a good name. Interesting that OL straps were not part of the test. My OL one's were bought for me by my mate to replace the ones we broke when recovering his 250. To be honest all of the ones we broke that day were ARB ones, however they were working way above their design limits and did many snatches before they surrendered. If my mate didn't buy the OL straps for me I would not have hesitated replacing mine with another ARB set.
Regards
Jas
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Some good info there, thanks Jas
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http://www.4x4buyerstore.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778 (http://www.4x4buyerstore.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778)
black snakes are excellent, but they are very inflexable in the loop ends to fit in towbar reciever :( Or I'd have one of them too
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http://www.4x4buyerstore.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778 (http://www.4x4buyerstore.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778)
black snakes are excellent, but they are very inflexable in the loop ends to fit in towbar reciever :( Or I'd have one of them too
""Made from high strength 6.6 load bearing nylon fibres which are encased in an extremely durable cut and abrasion resistant rubber casing with an excellent strength to weight ratio.
These recovery straps rated the highest in a recent Australian 4wd Monthly comparison test.
There is no better recovery strap available on the market today!
8000kg rated version featured. Available in a wide range of ratings and lengths to order. POA.""
Think we need to contact them about their information ;D
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....snip..... Interesting that OL straps were not part of the test. ........snip........
I think the Mean Green range is OL's exclusive brand.
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If your planning on using the pin in your box style towbar to attach your strap too, then that will narrow your choice down.
I know a couple of brands have now increased the size of the loop, which means they no longer fit into the box section of a towbar. The sales lines says by doing this makes it stronger, but the cynic in me says it’s all about then having to buy a recovery block that then fits into your towbar.
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If your planning on using the pin in your box style towbar to attach your strap too, then that will narrow your choice down.
I know a couple of brands have now increased the size of the loop, which means they no longer fit into the box section of a towbar. The sales lines says by doing this makes it stronger, but the cynic in me says it’s all about then having to buy a recovery block that then fits into your towbar.
THANK YOU
Good point
I will look out for that ;D
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I've used Black Rat and ARB extensively over the years and found both products more than adequate to the task. I am just about to replace the Black Rat (brought in 04) as it's starting to show excessive wear.
I've only ever brought 8000kg ones as I like the strap being the weakest point of the recovery.
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in my 'looking around' I've come across the "SpanSet" Aussie made snatch strap ( $101 )
Has any comment (good / bad) or anyone used, or have this strap ??
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Its not that complex a decision just go to your local 4x4 shop and buy one.
The major issue for you will be where to attach it to.
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Any recovery gear are items not to go cheap on...
If things go tits up, they can kill you. Go for good gear.
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in my 'looking around' I've come across the "SpanSet" Aussie made snatch strap ( $101 )
Has any comment (good / bad) or anyone used, or have this strap ??
I paid around $65 for an 8,000Kg Just Straps snatch strap... was going to say about 6 months ago but seeing as how quick last year went, probably more like 18 months ago. Was from a trade tool shop though, not a 4wd store which seems to add an extra 25-50% to everything...
:cheers:
Dave
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I can't believe ARB Action didn't let an ARB product win... ???
Bushranger brand for me.
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Any comments ???
•9m x 75mm
•8,000kg breaking strain
•Nylon construction with 20% stretch
•Folded reinforced eyes
•$60
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Mainey
That strap looks fine. Just can't tell in the photo how wide the eye's in the ends are.
I have one each of these an extention and an 8000kg snatch strap. They have eye's suitable for fitting in your tow bar attachment. They are also 100% Australian made and priced reasonably.
http://www.tjm.com.au/index.php?nr=no#ln.php?i=recovery_straps (http://www.tjm.com.au/index.php?nr=no#ln.php?i=recovery_straps)
Bit better pics here http://www.tjm.com.au/images/PDF/10-268_SnatchStraps.pdf (http://www.tjm.com.au/images/PDF/10-268_SnatchStraps.pdf)
Not sure if your vehicle has a separate chassis or not, but they also do an equaliser strap to spread the load between 2 tow points for mono chassis vehicles.
Regards
jas
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but they also do an equaliser strap to spread the load between 2 tow points
recovery points hopefully, not tow points.
i think suitable front recovery points is going to be Maîneÿ's biggest issue..
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I have a ARB 8000kg strap been used only a few times over the past 10 years...
The one thing I have been warned not to do is to buy anything bigger than 8000kgs for a 80 series LC, the reason behind that is that a strap is cheap and if you have to use the full power of a 11000kg strap then you shouldn't have used the strap... If you break a 11000kg strap and not done damage elsewhere you are lucky....
I am just passing on what I have been told, but it does make sense......
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recovery points hopefully, not tow points.
i think suitable front recovery points is going to be Maîneÿ's biggest issue..
Correct Jon recovery points is what was meant. I think the equaliser strap may be a good idea also.
Regards
Jas
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I have a ARB 8000kg strap been used only a few times over the past 10 years...
The one thing I have been warned not to do is to buy anything bigger than 8000kgs for a 80 series LC, the reason behind that is that a strap is cheap and if you have to use the full power of a 11000kg strap then you shouldn't have used the strap... If you break a 11000kg strap and not done damage elsewhere you are lucky....
I am just passing on what I have been told, but it does make sense......
There is a guide rule some where that I read recently that recomended not exceeding 2.5 x the vehicle GVM with the strap rating. It mentioned that it can cause damage to the vehicle if the strap has to high a rating/breaking strenght. It also mentioned using a heavier strap if you were recovering a vehicle with a trailer attached (i.e take into consideration the GVM of the over all vehicle weight)
I will try and locate it.
Regards
Jas
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There is a guide rule some where that I read recently that recomended not exceeding 2.5 x the vehicle GVM with the strap rating. It mentioned that it can cause damage to the vehicle if the strap has to high a rating/breaking strenght.
x2
(well, 2.5 anyway :) )
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i think suitable front recovery points is going to be Maîneÿ's biggest issue..
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Naaahhhhh,
you guys have it all wrong - totally wrong :laugh:
I will be towing the Toyota's & Nissan's out of their dilemma only from the recovery point on the back of my Ssangyong
won't be doing it from a front mounted recovery point ;D
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Another vote for "just straps" brand. Excellent value and quality (rated highley in some test a few years ago) and made in Australia (Castle Hill NSW).
https://www.juststraps.com.au/Default.asp? (https://www.juststraps.com.au/Default.asp?)
You can buy direct from there web site.
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:'(
Naaahhhhh,
you guys have it all wrong - totally wrong :laugh:
I will be towing the Toyota's & Nissan's out of their dilemma only from the recovery point on the back of my Ssangyong
won't be doing it from a front mounted recovery point ;D
well, if you're pulling others out then they should use their own f*E$#D snatch straps...
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well, if you're pulling others out then they should use their own f*E$#D snatch straps...
Yeah, good point so will all you Toyota an Nissan guys please make sure you have your own snatch strap ;D ;D
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getting back on track :angel:
no more weird humor or bad jokes today
I went and physically checked out some snatch straps today, I seen written on the box the ARB strap is made overseas, it is NOT Australian made :'( and with no warranty information stated on the box either :'(
8000kg $92 rrp
However, the Bushranger snatch strap, which I was told by the ARB guy is owned by ARB, and is their lesser priced subsidiary company, has a 5 year warranty stated on it's box, and yes it IS made here in Australia.
8000kg $76 rrp
I expected to buy a quality Australian made product by choice :-*
Maybe they were a good product at some earlier time, now I do admit they look the ducks nuts with their ARB name emblazon on the end of the strap, but with no warranty information stated on the box, why would I spend the extra $$ and miss out on the 5 year warranty of the Bushranger snatch strap.
Now confusion reigns supreme ???
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Good luck claiming a warranty on a snatch strap.
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Good luck claiming a warranty on a snatch strap.
I was thinking if ARB had the same 'faith' in their overseas manufacturing, as Bushranger have here in their Australian made straps, they would be giving at least some mention of a warranty on the ARB box.
The Bushranger 5 yr warranty is only covering "manufacturing faults" and not damage caused by idiots like me :-[
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Ive used and, seen used a few different brands, Ive seen 'good' ones fail and cheapos work just fine.
IMHO it is more imprtant that the strap is washed and dried after each muddy use, than what label is on it. (agree with points made about correctly rated recovery points.)
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...but with no warranty information stated on the box, why would I spend the extra $$ and miss out on the 5 year warranty of the Bushranger snatch strap.
why wouldnt you ask about the warranty on the ARB one if you were standing there lookin at it?
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why wouldnt you ask about the warranty on the ARB one if you were standing there lookin at it?
because the ARB guy told me it was 12 months, but it's not written on the box
I phoned Kaymar in Victoria, (test winner) they gave me some interesting information, so will now look into their choice.
They no longer have the same strap as was tested :'(
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As I said before, it's not that complex a decision just go to your local 4x4 shop and buy one.
You have probably wasted the cost of the strap in time procrastinating.
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As I said before, it's not that complex a decision just go to your local 4x4 shop and buy one.
You have probably wasted the cost of the strap in time procrastinating.
we only have one shop here in Busselton :-[
Have to go up to Bunbury Friday, so will see the other brands recomended from my phone call today ;D
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I saw this sometime ago and it stills amazes me how stupid some bloody people can be, it is a long video but really worth a watch just to see all the things you shouldn't do....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lMxYnGIrw&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lMxYnGIrw&feature=related#)
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Does anyone have experience with Ironman recovery gear?
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Does anyone have experience with Ironman recovery gear?
Some of my gear is Ironman and it has not let me down yet, mostly used for winching though, I dont think I have used the snatch strap yet. It was a large pack which went cheap on ebay a couple of years ago
GG
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Was told to look for SNATCH STRAPS that are made from 100% high stretch nylon, with as high as possible % stretch rates and that are also rot and mildew resistant and have reinforced eyes.
so I've eliminated the lower % stretch rate brands, and I'm looking at the 26+% stretch rate straps, is not too many of them as most are only in the high 18's to 22%
Getting some good information from various manufacturers now and have come up with this 25OOkg (pull) rated hand winch ($395)
It's rated as 16OOKg lifting capacity too, and comes with 20Mt of 11mm steel rope.
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Mainey, I used to have a hand winch too. But have you ever used one?
They are REALLY hard work and not to be underestimated how physical the process is. It's a young man's tool and why so many now have electric winches. While hand winches certainly have their place, they are really, really hard work ???
Cheers
Captain
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Mainey, I used to have a hand winch too.
But have you ever used one?
They are REALLY hard work and not to be underestimated how physical the process is. It's a young man's tool and why so many now have electric winches. While hand winches certainly have their place, they are really, really hard work.
No, have never used one :-[
but I figure as I can't attach an electric winch to the front of the Ssanyong due to no bullbar, I had better have the next best thing if I'm in a position where I just can't use a snatch strap :'(
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This is my new recovery setup :cheers:
Snatch Strap:
60mm (8,000 kg) x 9m, 100% high stretch (27.5%) nylon, rot & mildew resistant with reinforced eyes:cup:
Extension Strap:
50mm (4,500 kg) x 20m long, Winch Extension Strap, 100% low stretch polyester with reinforced eyes.
Tree Trunk Protector:
75mm (12,000 kg) x 3m long, 100% low stretch polyester with reinforced eyes.
Shackles:
2 x 16mm Grade S bow shackles. 3.25 tonne WLL.
Drag Chain:
8mm x 5m gold passivated Grade 70 chain, lug-link one end, grab hook other end.
Snatch Block:
8,000 kg capacity block with 125mm diameter sheave with bronze bush and grease nipple. Suits 11mm diameter wire rope
Canvas bag features:
Pockets for tree protector and block
Zip pocket for drag chain
Retaining straps for snatch and extension straps
Loops to attach and retain shackles
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I realise it will not suit too many others - but it suits me :-*
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Half that crap you won't use without a winch and you still need an equaliser strap
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Half that crap you won't use without a winch and you still need an equaliser strap
Thank You
I will add it tomorrow as I've bought the blue manual winch
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Manual winches are fine to use - a bit of work, but they will get the job done. It feels instinctive to use your arms to push/pull the handle - don't! That is the hard way and you'll tire out quickly. The easier way is to take the handle and hold it to your chest with both hands (you may need to step back if the handle is long). Then, rock back and forth with your legs and do not use your arms/shoulders at all. All the work is done with your legs and the gentle rocking can be done for ages without getting tired.
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I saw this sometime ago and it stills amazes me how stupid some bloody people can be, it is a long video but really worth a watch just to see all the things you shouldn't do....
Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? >:(
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Manual winches are fine to use - a bit of work, but they will get the job done.
It feels instinctive to use your arms to push/pull the handle - don't!
That is the hard way and you'll tire out quickly. The easier way is to take the handle and hold it to your chest with both hands (you may need to step back if the handle is long). Then, rock back and forth with your legs and do not use your arms/shoulders at all.
All the work is done with your legs and the gentle rocking can be done for ages without getting tired.
THANK YOU :cup:
I (hope) will remember that when I test it out soon
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This is my new recovery setup :cheers:
I realise it will not suit too many others - but it suits me :-*
Not to be Mr negative but initial reaction seeing those pictures - what is it and where from? Without a brand name it looks like imported gear in a pretty bag direct from ebay that I would not let near my vehicle. I don't care what it is rated at, if it is not a branded name I have heard about I won't use it, Just Straps, Blackrat, Mean Green, ARB etc. Rating mean nothing if they are not done by an accredited testing facility.
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Not to be Mr negative but initial reaction seeing those pictures - what is it and where from?
Without a brand name it looks like imported gear in a pretty bag direct from ebay that I would not let near my vehicle.
I don't care what it is rated at, if it is not a branded name I have heard about I won't use it, Just Straps, Blackrat, Mean Green, ARB etc.
Rating mean nothing if they are not done by an accredited testing facility.
I can absolutely assure you the snatch strap is rated @ 8000Kg by Australian authorities, and it's made here in Australia :cup:
One strap manufacturer I spoke with today advised me the more % of 'stretch' available in a strap is relevant to the quality of the nylon thread used in the strap.
The less 'stretch' % is only used in the low cost straps that don't allow good rebound, due to their short 'kinetic' energy.
The higher rebound % straps will not break at recommended max ratings due to the extra elasticity in the quality of the nylon material.
It may not be a branded name you have heard about, but it has tech specs that are far higher than most, if not all, of the brands nominated, yes I've checked them out :-[
Now if the question is asked about the brands of solar panels you sell, are they "brand names" that are well known ?
They may not be, they would be from unheard of manufacturers in China etc, but the panels are still built to a quality specification, and they can compete with well known branded panels available in Australia.
Brand names are only known when companies 'advertise' their brand, however some companies only manufacture for other retailers and distributors and the actual manufacturer is never mentioned in any advertising.
In Australia there are very few snatch strap manufacturers, with many brands coming from the same factory, with the only difference being the colour pigment and choice of cover for the eyelet :cheers:
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So who is the manufacturer and supplier and was it a good price?
I was of the impression that Just Straps were the only Aussi strap maker, but this is probably misinformation.
You can not compare solar and straps and as you know there is plenty of dodgy solar coming out of China. What I sell is sold based on how it has performed when tested here, not based on what the Chinese say it is.
If an imported item is Australian tested and compliant then all good but I would not trust any Chinese testing/quality assurance. Either way this is a mute point as you say it is Aussi made and tested.
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Maybe ask ARB to make some recovery points for your ugly duckling
http://www.arb.com.au/media/press/Dec2011_ARBRecoveryPoints.pdf (http://www.arb.com.au/media/press/Dec2011_ARBRecoveryPoints.pdf)
Following a comprehensive development program, vehicle specific ARB recovery points are now available for the Mazda BT50/Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux, Nissan GU Patrol and Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series, with more models in the pipeline.
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Not to be Mr negative but initial reaction seeing those pictures - what is it and where from?
It's a Nobles kit - http://www.nobles.com.au/products.aspx?doc_id=1208 (http://www.nobles.com.au/products.aspx?doc_id=1208) why he didn't just come out and say that is beyond the comprehension of most normal human beings. Burnsy, I'm sorry but you are just too normal to understand.
I've used four of their straps and they do the job as well as any other. Out of the four I've broken three. But I've also broken other brands as well so I don't think it was the straps' fault.
Good to see Mainey is on form - asks a question, people answer in good faith giving their knowledge and experience, but then get told they are wrong after he has gone and done some 'research', and then goes and ignores all the advice and does what he likes anyway.
Fine form :cup:
For everyone else that is reading, regardless of if you think you will be pulling out Nissans or Toyotas, you really need front and rear recovery points. The reality is that you aren't always going to be able about to get pulled out backwards, sometimes you have to do it forwards, and for that you need front recovery points.
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:cup: for Symon writing what everyone else was thinking ;D
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Thank You
I will add it tomorrow as I've bought the blue manual winch
wait till your second hour of using it in 35 degrees, you will hurl it as far as you possibly can.... horrible things
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Good to see Mainey is on form - asks a question, people answer in good faith giving their knowledge and experience, but then get told they are wrong after he has gone and done some 'research', and then goes and ignores all the advice and does what he likes anyway.
Yes, I asked questions, received advise, most said ARB is their choice - then read the 4wd test where ARB fails the test, see ARB is made in Taiwan, not Australia, ask a strap manufacturer about various aspects of ascertaining the good an bad points of straps, and then made a decision based on their information, after all they made them and they advised me the higher % stretch is a better strap with all other things being equal.
I never said anyone was wrong, they all bought the strap that they wanted to buy at the time, and you bought 4 Nobles straps, probably a few ARB's and other brands too, so you made the same decision as I have, but you did it 4 times ;D
Maybe you should have said you bought Nobles straps, nobody else has mentioned them so they are not as popular, but they are not heavily advertised as the ARB strap is, but they are made in Australia and tested here too.
The price paid is soon forgotten, as guys have said you need the best equipment available when you have to rely on it to get you out of trouble.
wait till your second hour of using it in 35 degrees, you will hurl it as far as you possibly can.... horrible things
Yes, but is much better than nothing at all
as I can't fit an electric winch to the front of the "ugly duckling"
I can't find a suitable portable in-line electric winch :-[
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You didn't research that hard as the ARB straps in the article are completely different to the ARB straps they sell today ::)
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Straight from the Noble website "...Nobles also has associations with overseas manufacturers, who produce the latest technology in fibre ropes from UHMWPE to high tenacity Polypropylene and Polyethylene ropes in a variety of constructions to suit the commercial fishing, marine and towage industries..." Looks like they buy their fibre from overseas and perhaps make the strap here. Not what I would call 100% Aussie, but better than most I suppose.
And that 4WD Action report with the ARB issues was old, the new ARB straps are totaly different and pass with flying colours. If one does research, best to do with up to date reports :angel:
Cheers
Captain
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You didn't research that hard as the ARB straps in the article are completely different to the ARB straps they sell today ::)
The % stretch information from the manufacturer was the main reason for going with the Nobles strap and not the advertising blurb.
Nobles straps must be good as Symon has bought 4 of them, he would not continue to use the same brand if they were no good so that in itself is good enough for me ;D
that 4WD Action report with the ARB issues was old, the new ARB straps are totaly different and pass with flying colours.
If one does research, best to do with up to date reports
Captain,
have you read the "up to date reports" you have mentioned ??
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Maybe you should have said you bought Nobles straps, nobody else has mentioned them so they are not as popular, but they are not heavily advertised as the ARB strap is, but they are made in Australia and tested here too.
They aren't heavily advertised as the recreational 4x4 market isn't their core business. Nobles primarily services the industrial sector, ask any crane driver, rigger, dogger, storeman, etc and they will at the very least have heard the name before. I'm sure Bullivants would also make recovery gear but I bet you'd never see them in a 4x4 magazine.
If you reflect a bit on what I do for a living you may realise where I got the Nobles straps from.
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They aren't heavily advertised as the recreational 4x4 market isn't their core business. Nobles primarily services the industrial sector, ask any crane driver, rigger, dogger, storeman, etc and they will at the very least have heard the name before.
I'm sure Bullivants would also make recovery gear but I bet you'd never see them in a 4x4 magazine.
One of the first companies I contacted was Bullivants, they used to sell Kaymar and Spanset straps, but gave me another contact ;D
They no longer sell snatch straps and are getting rid of what is left of their existing stocks of 4X4 gear
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Not sure if this is your total kit or not, but I'd throw in two more rated shackles, (the cable tie of the vehicle recovery world, in that you can never have enough!) it is rare that a recovery is straight foward, and you often need more shackles.
and not sure if you have one but a winch cable dampener too.
good luck, and hope you dont need to use it often! :D
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...Captain,
have you read the "up to date reports" you have mentioned ??
Umm... isn't the mention of the reports enough implication I have read them? Do I really have to say "... after reading the new reports, the ARB straps now perform much better due to ...." ???.
Symon, did you buy on quality or on the "price" you obtained them for 8)
Cheers
Captain
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Umm... isn't the mention of the reports enough implication I have read them?
Do I really have to say "... after reading the new reports, the ARB straps now perform much better due to ...." ???.
Sorry, what I should have asked is:
where can I ( and anyone else interested ) read these new up to date snatch strap test reports ;D
a link to the reports would be good
Thanks :cheers:
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Sorry, what I should have asked is:
where can I ( and anyone else interested ) read these new up to date snatch strap test reports ;D
a link to the reports would be good
Thanks :cheers:
I no longer have the magazine article in question (passed old mags onto my brother some time ago) but hopefully someone else can scan and post it. I don't think 4WD Action has this report on their web site, they want you to buy the magazine!
Cheers
Captain
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Forgive me if i'm wrong, but the snatch strap comparison mentioned on the first page is from 2003 isn't it?!!!! What benefit is that 8-9 years later?!!! I am also in the market for a new snatch strap (don't ask what I did with the last one!!), so have been enjoying the input, but the review from 2003 threw me off completely.... I have since found this comparison (from 2009 I think, arguably not much use either, but still a good read!)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1HkgGJBnd7EMTdkZjc4YmUtOWJiZC00OTVjLThmMmQtNzk3MDViZjY5MDIx&hl=en_US (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1HkgGJBnd7EMTdkZjc4YmUtOWJiZC00OTVjLThmMmQtNzk3MDViZjY5MDIx&hl=en_US)
and ARB's explanation into the poor result from the 2003 comparison;
http://www.arb.com.au/getting-started/ask-arb/recovery/070%20Recovery%20straps%20-%20country%20of%20manufacture.php (http://www.arb.com.au/getting-started/ask-arb/recovery/070%20Recovery%20straps%20-%20country%20of%20manufacture.php)
And i'm by no means an ARB fanboi... it's just nice to know they seem to have fixed their issue and if I do find an ARB strap at the right price I can hand over my hard earned and not be worried....
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wait till your second hour of using it in 35 degrees, you will hurl it as far as you possibly can.... horrible things
LOL. Check the classifieds for 2nd hand ones. Most have the phrase "used once" in the ad.
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LOL. Check the classifieds for 2nd hand ones. Most have the phrase "used once" in the ad.
mine's "never used" :)
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Read in the second test the Terrain Tamer ($75) snatch strap and the ARB ($93) snatch strap were both rated exactly the same amount of stretch of 13.4% for the 8000kg strap.
However as both of these tests are now many years old the products would have since undergone product upgrades, so the present day manufacturers specifications should be used rather than previous test results, where it can be clearly seen ARB come last in the first test, then next test is first choice ;D
No, I'm not knocking any one product, just pointing out the variations in price for a product of the same rated performance.
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No, have never used one :-[
but I figure as I can't attach an electric winch to the front of the Ssanyong due to no bullbar, I had better have the next best thing if I'm in a position where I just can't use a snatch strap :'(
Just as a matter of interest - whereabouts will you attach a snatch strap/winch cable to the front of the Ssangyong?
(http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19013.0;attach=48022;image)
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Just as a matter of interest - whereabouts will you attach a snatch strap/winch cable to the front of the Ssangyong?
To the grill/bumper. When you rip it off it might look better.
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Just as a matter of interest - whereabouts will you attach a snatch strap/winch cable to the front of the Ssangyong?
Under the front at present is a small bash plate, I'm replacing it with a larger plate and 'nudge' bar and the guy is fitting 2 attachments to the chassis rails, there is presently a tow hitch attachment bolted onto the front chassis rail as standard.
I've a towbar rated as suitable for use for snatch recovery when used with the tow bar tongue, which is available from various 4X4 suppliers.
The Ssangyong photo looks nice :-*
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the guy is fitting 2 attachments to the chassis rails
rated presumably?
and it has a chassis?
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My ARB snatch strap I bought in 2002 is still in one piece, probably been used 10-15 times. I mostly use it for others as the jeep doesn't get me into trouble these days. It's probably been a few years since I last used it to recover a Toyota on Fraser. On trips I also carry a newer ARB which I bought in 2009 or so, but it's never been used. It's one of things that when I go to areas I think there's a possibility of using it, I take 2. Gotta have your backups ;)
Cheers
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Some of my gear is Ironman and it has not let me down yet, mostly used for winching though, I dont think I have used the snatch strap yet. It was a large pack which went cheap on ebay a couple of years ago
GG
It sure worked well went I was close to belly deep with the Xtrail camper hooked on in the sand at Wyperfeld National Park!
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My strap has been used 4 times in the last 8 years, twice used by mates to pull me out and twice used pulling mates out.
First question I ask when I come upon a stuck 4WD is where is YOUR strap.
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rated presumably?
Yes,
I was informed they had to be rated for their intended use ;D
and it has a chassis?
Yes,
is a full length "Ladder frame chassis"
unlike some SUV's, and coil sprung @ each corner too ;D
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Yes,
I was informed they had to be rated for their intended use ;D
But they are not rated when fittted...
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But they are not rated when fittted...
Why not :'(
Please explain ???
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The recovery point may be rated but how does the installer know the way he has mounted the point is rated?
That would be why ARB has spent $$ making their points rated
http://arb.com.au/media/press/Dec2011_ARBRecoveryPoints.pdf (http://arb.com.au/media/press/Dec2011_ARBRecoveryPoints.pdf)
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My strap has been used 4 times in the last 8 years, twice used by mates to pull me out and twice used pulling mates out.
First question I ask when I come upon a stuck 4WD is where is YOUR strap.
That happens all the time when we go to DI and find someone (idiot usually) who is stuck within the first 50 metres of the cutting. Unless its a really dangerous situation I tell them I don't have one either.............and then ask if they have a shovel................................... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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The recovery point may be rated but how does the installer know the way he has mounted the point is rated?
Bugga you ask some scary and difficult questions, so I phoned Ssangyong importers in Sydney and all will be good ;D ;D
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I'm sure Bullivants would also make recovery gear but I bet you'd never see them in a 4x4 magazine.
Symon, Good point, so when I went to pick up the Nobles kit I stopped at Bullivants ;D
Had a talk before I went in with the guys out in the store and some guys working on mines who were there picking up some gear.
I ended up phoning Nobles and cancelling my order with them, I come home with a BULLIVANTS "recoverfast" snatcg strap
8 tonnes breaking strain, 10 Mt long, made in Australia, Metal eyes are hand assembled not sewn, rubber covered nylon core is abrasion and cut resistant, no need to clean like normal flat straps after use, Oil, Water Mud and Dust proof (according to the written information on the strap)
just don't ask the price as they are not made in China, and they come with a good reputation in the mining field
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just don't ask the price
what's the price?
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what's the price?
PM'ed you with answer :-[
I believe, after talking with the mine workers who use that brand on the mine sites, this is the way I want to go, as they look stronger and weigh much more than the Chinese straps.
They part that really sold me on them was they have no stitching to pull apart, that was the major problem with every strap that failed in the 4x4 magazine test.
The $$$ stay here in Australia too ;D
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PM'ed you with answer :-[
¡Ay, caramba!
Let me know how you go with it
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¡Ay, caramba!
Let me know how you go with it
I will not have to use it till I get bogged :'(
It will just sit in it's bag and take up space till needed as insurance, then it will pay for it'self ;D ;D
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Looks like a good bit of gear Mainey. Not sure I could justify the $190 price tag at this stage but will be interested to see how these fair over the next few years as they creap into the recreational 4x4 market a little more. Looks to be a fair bit of work in their manufacture so you can see where the price comes from.
For a mining company it would be a no brainer as there is no way any snatch strap used by exploration geos and fieldys ever got washed in the years I worked with them. Just chucked it out and booked another out of stores if it got to muddy or greasy. If it lasts the lifespan of four snatch straps for these guys it has paid for itself. Mind you, until every fieldy and geo has one in their own car, there ill be a lot broken, lost or stolen ;D
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It came all nicely wrapped up in a clear, sealed, plastic bag, now I know why too :'( :'(
Unfortunately once they are removed from the bag they are extremely difficult to store as they can't be rolled back to the same small size coil, so they take up a bit of space, unlike the flat webbing straps.
But was just a minor hassle as it now sits inside the spare wheel and will live there till required.
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But was just a minor hassle as it now sits inside the spare wheel and will live there till required.
Good idea, but I hope the spare wheel is accessed from inside the car and not under it, otherwise you may have fun trying to get it out when bellied out on a beach somewhere ;D
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Good idea, but I hope the spare wheel is accessed from inside the car and not under it
Yes,
Spare is inside and accessed by lifting up a section of the rear floor area
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interesting find on the web
they are made in Melbourne ;D
Sold by ARB in Britain as "Black Snake" snatch strap
Has plenty of positive information on various forums, no negative that I have found yet (other than price)
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Sold by ARB in Britain as "Black Snake" snatch strap
Has plenty of positive information on various forums, no negative that I have found yet (other than price)
woops :-[
the 3.2t shackle must have a 26mm wide gap so it will fit over the steel eye on each end of the snatch strap