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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: UTE 701 on December 22, 2011, 09:34:07 AM
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WE WAS BRUNG UP PROPER!!
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE1930's 1940's, 50's, 60's and early 70's !
First, we survived living in houses made of asbestos.
Our parents took aspirin, ate blue cheese, raw egg products, and processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or cervical cancer.
Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets or shoes, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonald's , KFC,or Subway .
Even though all the shops closed at 6.00pm and didn't open on the weekends, somehow we didn't starve to death!
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.
We could collect old drink bottles and cash them in at the corner store and buy Toffees, Bubble Gum and some bungers to blow up toads with.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drinks with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because........
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo Wii , X-boxes, no video games at all, no 999 channels on Foxtel ,
no video/dvd films,
no mobile phones, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no
Lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever.
You could only buy Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns at Easter time...
We were given air guns and catapults for our 10th birthdays,
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just yelled for them!
RUGBY and CRICKET had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!! Getting into the team was based on MERIT
Our teachers used to hit us with canes and gym shoes and bullies always ruled the playground at school.
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of.
They actually sided with the law!
Our parents didn't invent stupid names for their kids like 'Kiora' and 'Blade' and 'Ridge' and 'Vanilla'
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO
DEAL WITH IT ALL !
And YOU are one of them!
CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated our lives for our own good.
And while you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know how brave their parents were.
PS -The big type is because our eyes are not too good at our age anymore
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I was born in the late 70's. I did all of this, along with my brother born in the 80's.
It depends on where you grew up, and how.
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Hear Hear!
50's kids here and this was also our world/s .... wasn't it wonderful? The closest we get to it now is camping - where kids can roam (fairly) free around the bush and enjoy the simplicity and fun which life is. My wish for the new year? That all kids would put down their electronic toys for a few days and actually communicate with each other face to face!
May all readers have a Merry Christmas and a safe and Peaceful 2012!
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I was born in the late 70's. I did all of this, along with my brother born in the 80's.
It depends on where you grew up, and how.
X2 ;D I was born in 82.......I did all of that and more. The first time i played a video game was when i was 11 and broke my leg, mum thought i might need some entertainment for 8 weeks. I played it for a day and was then outside trying to ride my bike :cup:
My two boys are now 5 & 3.......they love being outside, and they are most of the time.....I will make damn sure it stays that way too :cheers:
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Next time you complain about the younger generation pause for a moment and reflect on which generation it was that raised them.
You then appreciate where the real problem lies.
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Ute, thats a great read thanks for sharing it. I often wonder about this concept. In respect to the amount of freedom we give our kids, I wonder if most of our concerns are due to us being more informed about the risks? What I'm trying to say, is that perhaps the level of 'risk' out there is what it has always been, but with our access to media and information in general people are more cautious as parents.
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Don't forget you guys had to walk ten miles to school in the snow with no shoes.
What a load of self effacing rubbish.
Nomad.
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Young people today dont know how lucky they are ,,, Lucky , Lucky , Lucky ,,,,,,,,,,,! :cheers:
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Don't forget you guys had to walk ten miles to school in the snow with no shoes.
What a load of self effacing rubbish.
Nomad.
School! School! we would have killed to go o school in my day!
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School! School! we would have killed to go o school in my day!
'tell kids these days and they wooont believe you!!
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Luxury! We used to live in a hole in the road and ate gravel for dinner.... ;D
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A HOLE!!!! A HOLE!! we would have loved a hole, we were jelous of the kids that had a hole!
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Ute, thats a great read thanks for sharing it. I often wonder about this concept. In respect to the amount of freedom we give our kids, I wonder if most of our concerns are due to us being more informed about the risks? What I'm trying to say, is that perhaps the level of 'risk' out there is what it has always been, but with our access to media and information in general people are more cautious as parents.
+1
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Did all that stuff but there was no snow in the FNQ and it was only five k's to school. My four boys also do most of those things. Electronics is tightly reigned at my house. But then Mum just took them to waterslides near Cairns and I'll bet she went down as many times as the kids. Lead by example.
By the reply's you can tell some people just don't get it.
:cheers:
Steve.
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I was born in the late 70's. I did all of this, along with my brother born in the 80's.
It depends on where you grew up, and how.
X3 - I think I did everything on that list except for hitchhiking (that was a no no where I lived)
Actually the first time I broke a tooth was because I was trying to ride my new (second hand) Mountain bike (that was too big for me) while I had a broken arm. :cup:
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Don't forget you guys had to walk ten miles to school in the snow with no shoes.
What a load of self effacing rubbish.
Nomad.
Being from Upstate New York I sure did this.
Plus......... It was uphill!!
Both ways!!!!!
Bill and Morag
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I find it interesting to all you that say that electronic items are tightly monitored in our home, the same with those that ban a DS or movies when away on holiday. I get what people say abut looking out the window but how many of us had to sit in the car for a 2 Month trip as is quite common today. While I agree that kids need to be told to get off their you know what's now and then I wouldn't dare stifle any creativity, even if it meant them glued to the computer for a while. I my self spent hours and hours building radios and other electronic devices from the age of ten but I also played sport. I also used to get the air rifle out and shoot a few black birds after school and play Rugby and Cricket etc. I think you just have to realize that life has changed. My oldest spends quite a bit of time on the PC now and I'm buying him his own for Xmas. He has learnt how to hack files at the registry level and in HEX Code, port forward on the router and block viruses and all at Ten. Yes it may help that this is my back ground but he is the one passionate about it and to be honest I think he gets out enough anyway.
Communication is only going to become more electronics based and I think those that don't get on board will find it hard to keep up and I for one want to give mine all the help they will need to make it in business going forward.
I also loved growing up as I did, jet boating up a Gorge, hanging out down at a river with a few cold beers with mates. I still do that though even though I am armed with wireless this and electronic that. If you make the time with the kids fun then they wont need to be forced out doors, they will balance their time themselves.
I want to be clear I'm not having a go at any one here. I just don;t agree with all this electronic restriction
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WE WAS BRUNG UP PROPER!!
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE1930's 1940's, 50's, 60's and early 70's !
First, we survived living in houses made of asbestos. And now people are dieing from several forms of Asbestosis.
Our parents took aspirin, ate blue cheese, raw egg products, and processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or cervical cancer. Healthier lifestyle, plus many people dieing of undiagnosed Diabetes by the age of 30, so no need to worry about getting old
Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright coloured lead-based paints.the amount of people suffering from alergies has been in part attributed from the heavy metals found in the body
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets or shoes, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking.yep almost lost a son through that, thankfully knew first aid
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. (still remember the bruise I got when my Mum crashed, sliding on ice, I was lucky
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle. still do
Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonald's , KFC,or Subway . well I can remeber Chinese in there as well, but Pizza was all the rage in the 60's and 70's
Even though all the shops closed at 6.00pm and didn't open on the weekends, somehow we didn't starve to death!
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this. unfortunately Mono comes to mind on this, not to mention taking drinks/candy from strangers.
We could collect old drink bottles and cash them in at the corner store and buy Toffees, Bubble Gum and some bungers to blow up toads with.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drinks with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because........
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!! see note on diabetes
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.most kids were afraid to admit they were molested as they thought it was their fault, from memory 12% of females above the age of 40 had been molested
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.unless we were one of the 12%
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo Wii , X-boxes, no video games at all, no 999 channels on Foxtel , hmmm seem to remember pin ball when I was growing up, atari was in by the early 70'sOh well I think you have the idea;) lol
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all serious, it was fun and I dont think the kids of today really get the simple things of life.
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WE WAS BRUNG UP PROPER!!
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY FRIENDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE1930's 1940's, 50's, 60's and early 70's !
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank soft drinks with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because........
PS -The big type is because our eyes are not too good at our age anymore
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We did not actually eat cupcakes in Australia . We ate pattycakes.
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We ate cupcakes when l was a little bloke , My Nanna made them & they were huge . I can almost taste them now :angel:
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I love this.... it is so much like my life in the high country of Northern Southland NZ
The thing we forget is that at each new generation there is a change...
I think that you would find that if we had computers Video games and the Internet in our day we would be just how our kids are today... So don't use this to put your kids down just show them what fun you can have without technology.... and show them how big their thumbs are getting...
I remember my father and mother telling me how they had no TV and their toys were all hand made... My father inlaw talks about how while his father and uncles were at War he (12yrs old) had to go to the family farm for the week on his own catch rabbits to support the house (I had a tear in my eye reading that back - Poor Little Boy :( ) ... I am sure your parents were similar...
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I'm a 62'er, vague memories of the time dad was working in the forestry, the married quarters had canvas walls. The virgin scrub was our playground, swinging of vines, climbing massive trees and when we got home mum would do a body search for scrub ticks, how we never got lost was amazing. The nearest town was 30 mile away, at school there were 27 kids in 7 grades, 1 teacher and i loved the free milk. Queenslands last stream driven sawmill was also our playground as long as we didn't go near the logs. Speaking of logs dad was a part time timber cutter with the forestry as well,and some times we went with him, that way we would be outer mum's hair. Dad would cut down a heap of pine trees while we sat in the car for safety reasons then he would go around barking them and that,s when our fun began, some of these logs were a 100ft + and were facing down a 45% hill or steeper an when dad popped the bark the log would take off down the hill like a bullet clearing everything in it's path, very dangerous, now the bark became our slippery slide, by the time you would get half way down the bark everything seemed to be a blur and there was no stopping, when we reach the end thing's got interesting, there as nothing to stop us except lantana. Dad made us go for a swim on the way home so we could wash all the dirt and blood off. I was13 when dad got transferred to another forestry and we moved to the outskirts of a small town and now looking back now I think that this done me more harm than good.
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I love this.... it is so much like my life in the high country of Northern Southland NZ
The thing we forget is that at each new generation there is a change...
I think that you would find that if we had computers Video games and the Internet in our day we would be just how our kids are today... So don't use this to put your kids down just show them what fun you can have without technology.... and show them how big their thumbs are getting...
I remember my father and mother telling me how they had no TV and their toys were all hand made... My father inlaw talks about how while his father and uncles were at War he (12yrs old) had to go to the family farm for the week on his own catch rabbits to support the house (I had a tear in my eye reading that back - Poor Little Boy :( ) ... I am sure your parents were similar...
Pete. As grew up in the South Island (You can't help coming form the North ;D) I can here ya as well, we had it luckier than a lot being able to ride to school at 6 years of age with no worries in the world and then there is our great out doors but I agree with your comments 100%. We didn't have a lot back then but made do.
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I think we are in an over protected world which is due more by media than by the fact that the world is more dangerous than years gone by.
My eldest is 7 and I mentioned to my wife that she is old enough to spend some of the school holidays at my parents farm and this was meet with "she is only 7 and we cant let her out of our sight" kind of reply.
At 7 I can remember going pig hunting with mates and using sticks that we found as weapons, thankfully we never came across pigs although I did get in trouble for losing my gum boots in a mud pool and then my mother mentioned that when she was 7 she would just wander around the streets of Wellington and she once got crabbed by a guy who tried to drag her into an alley but she managed to get away. No different to what happens today just not in the media all the time which in turn causes the protected species of todays generations.
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+1
Correct x 2
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I would agree, the world is perceived to be worse now than when I was a kid, but the fact is we had pedophiles and rapists back then, either the act was not reported because of the shame, or no one believed the claim that it had happened at all.
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point I was trying to make with my previous post, things still happened, things still do, nothing has changed except our awareness of these things.
In Roseberry where I grew up we played tree tiggy, average height about 30 foot of the ground, jump from one tree to the next so you didnt get caught, you fell you were it or off to the hospital. Many a rock fight with the best throw I ever did coming from a situation where I was ambushed whilst riding my bike, rock went whizzing past my head, dropped the bike rolled came up with a rock returned fire, direct hit. Result he had stitches I got a kick from his big brother and a belting from my old man. All was fair in love and war and we remained great mates.
but most of what we claim didnt do damage still killed people, it is just that we now are more aware of risk.
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Ah the good old days... Did it all !!!
Thinking back what we did was great we adapted , created games , watching color tv for the first time , would ride your bike for miles , (what helmets ) , surf , long hair , chasing girls , getting your license and then loosing it, decking out your first panel van, drive ins , having your girlfriend sit next to you with her hand on your lap ( good old bench seats) could go on for ever !!!
How things change over the years as working in an electrical retail store for 25 years you see how technology was changing from the first cd player, Walkmans, DVD players now to where we are.
The only regret was not foreseeing the growth in technology and investing and making millions.
Mark
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Being a 50's kid did all that and more, remember making bows and arrows out of willow trees and firing at each other.
And no I didn't have to walk 10k's to school through the snow without shoes, but I did have to walk 3 miles to school in hand me down shoes no matter what the weather was, rain, hail or heat. I grew up in Hobart and it doesn't snow that often but it did get very cold.
Strange thing is we actually enjoyed it.
Trevor
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I was born in 82 and used to do most of that stuff as well. The thing is I am not even 30 yet and I already miss what we used to be able to do and it sadens me that my kids will probably never know that freedom. Technology, cool? yes, for the better? I don't think so. When we were young we never had portable games or in car DVDs and my folks used to take us on month long holidays all over Australia where we would drive all day, set up camp, get up in the morning pack up and back in the car all day again. Guess what? We didn't die. We did fun stuffs like eye spy, making up names for each passing cars numberplate letters and 'shock horror' our mum would even read out loud entire books to us. My point is that a great generational lifestyle has been all but lost and while we can try to blame the generation before us, modern politically correct society and ever invading technology has made it very hard for our parents to acctually raise us the way they want to.
We need to bring back the curriculum of the 50's. Give our coppers back the dignety and power to do their jobs and smash the crime so that we can all feel safer about letting our kids have a life outside their 6ft high yard fences. While we're at it lets stop suing everyone for looking sideways at us, and let our kids learn from there own mistakes. I'll stop rambling now but this subject gets me fired up as this technological world is undoubtedly worse now than in our grandparents day.
Regards
Wes
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Our grandparents probably said the same thing about the wireless and then black and white TV. Reality is technology is here to stay and it is only going to get more pervasive. When I hear old folk whine about technology I remind them they're living longer due to health technology advancements and better diagnosis of ailments. As a parent the trick is moderation. I can see my son (1 yr) enjoys Mickey Mouse and Hi-5 so he gets to watch them, we also go for walks to the park and get outside.
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I used ride a motorbike with no motor or brakes. ;D Would push it up all the hills and jump on and ridr it almost all the way back home, twas a good time. Had a go-kart with cast iron wheels from one of those push mowers without the engine and
was noisy as hell on the asphalt but was good for doing power slides and sparking up in the dark. 8)
Foo
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Yes technology can keep us alive longer nowadays, albiet with not much quality of life in lots of cases. Due to all the crap that is put in our foods, bodycare and cleaning products and the ever increasingly bad air quality in cities we are killing ourselves. So called advancements in technology have done us such harm that we have to have more technology to cure us from our lifestyles. Our grandparents lived healthier lives because they ate proper food without preservatives in it and they had active lifestyles because of all the freedom they had to run amok as kids. Look back at your grandparents photo albums. See many fat kids? You can't tell me that our modern way of life (TV,Xbox,computers,etc) has not had a major impact on our generations health. I know the world is heading down the ever increasing technology path whether we like it or not, but I am saying I don't believe we are the better for it.
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Sorry for getting a little sidetracked. When my best mate and I were 9 or 10, we used to get up at 3am and ride our bmx's 25km to the burdekin river near Charters Towers, spend the day swimming, shooting crows with shanghai's and exploring and generally having a lot of fun. Then we would ride home again at dusk. We had the police pull us over about halfway there once because someone had reported 2 kids running away from home, we told them what we were up to and they had a laugh and let us go about our fun. Ah the good old day's (listen to me, I sound like an 80 year old).
Regards
Wes
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Gee Wes you're a glass is half empty type of guy.
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Gee Wes you're a glass is half empty type of guy.
D4D, I'm actually a glass is overflowing type. If I ever get my camper finished I'd love to get along to a Myswag outing to meet a lot of people on here and have some of these discussion's around a campfire. As much as I sound like a whinger, I always smile and make the most of life.
Cheers ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Here is a link to a relevant page on the ABS website.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article152006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2006&num=&view= (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article152006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2006&num=&view=)
might be a bit of an eye opener, for those who think things used to be so much better in the good old days!
infact, the OP's title might be very relevant, we had to be brave to survive in those days!
Merry Xmas to all!
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Funny thread. Young people are different these days, but im certain our parents and grandparents said the same about my generation.
The big difference I find is lack of respect. I have tried to teach my kids respect, with varying degree's of success.
My dad taught me respect the old fashioned way! Cant do that now.
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Here is a link to a relevant page on the ABS website.
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article152006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2006&num=&view= (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article152006?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2006&num=&view=)
might be a bit of an eye opener, for those who think things used to be so much better in the good old days!
infact, the OP's title might be very relevant, we had to be brave to survive in those days!
Merry Xmas to all!
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Over the last 50 years or so average life expectancy has gone from around 60 to over 80.
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Funny thread. Young people are different these days, but im certain our parents and grandparents said the same about my generation.
The big difference I find is lack of respect. I have tried to teach my kids respect, with varying degree's of success.
My dad taught me respect the old fashioned way! Cant do that now.
Does corporal punishment instil respect or fear? There's a difference.
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How things have changed,
Started my working life at the age of 13, weren't allowed to be a Paperboy until you were in High School, had to wait until one of the older boys left. My name had been on the list from half way through year 6.
All the way through High School, 79-82, I was up at 3.30am,ride to the back of the News Agent, roll over a 120 papers, deliver them, and God help us if you didn't put the paper where the customer wanted. Get home, shower, have breakfast, walk to the bus stop, &.30am bus from Ballina to Lismore. Get home at 4.30pm, change and ride out to the racetrack, clean stables, home at 6.30pm.
On the weekends, my mates and myself would ride our pushies anywhere from Lennox Head to South Ballina Beach and even up to Dowlard Falls, up on the Alstonville Plateau, Wardel to Alstonville rd.
We'd take cardboard with us if we went to Lennox Head and ride the cardboard down the hill at the point.
Be fore I left High School, instead of riding all the way around to south wall to go for a surf, we use paddle across the bar. We would watch the tide, take note of the time and either walk up river or out along the north wall so the tide would have you end up at the right place on the other side so you didn't have a long walk before a surf, and the same on the return trip. Now it is breaking the law to do it, because a few idiots have picked the tide wrong and have ended up being rescued. Even if the waves were the best you'd seen for weeks, we always sit there and studied the rips and the flow of water before jumping in.
Another thing we use to do after we got our car licenses, we would travel to Casino for a night at Cougars, on the way home at 3 am, on a bright full moon, you could drive nearly all the way back to Lismore if the moon was full without a cloud in the sky with your headlights off, listening to Pink Floyd on the stereo, casette of cause, it was very rare you would see another car coming the other way, I doubt that you would go a couple of k's these day without meeting car or truck.
I don't know, It's a different world kids live in these days.
Thanks for the memories guys.
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Does corporal punishment instil respect or fear? There's a difference.
Definitely fear actually. But with fear came respect. My dad was not a violent man as such but had no problems smacking us kids, if that's violence in that context then its a sad world. I don't think it was the smack that instilled respect so much, more so his look of anger and disappointment that put the fear into us!
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What the hell, Charles Darwin was onto something I reckon.
Take all the warning labels off things and let nature decide.
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Funny thread. Young people are different these days, but im certain our parents and grandparents said the same about my generation.
The big difference I find is lack of respect. I have tried to teach my kids respect, with varying degree's of success.
My dad taught me respect the old fashioned way! Cant do that now.
I know my parents & grandparents said it about us
Also agree re: the lack of respect. Worked at the local high school for a while, & don't know how the teachers kept themselves in check with the atrocious behaviour coming from the majority of the so-called "young adults". I was appalled, & took a lot of effort on my part to bite my tongue every day >:(
I was at school when the cane was abolished. Those kids who were afraid of getting a few whacks, seemed to change into demons overnight. Nothing wrong with a bit of fear tactic to keep behaviour in check...when applied properly!
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Does corporal punishment instil respect or fear? There's a difference.
nothing breeds respect like a good healthy dose of fear!!!!
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4 days in the bush with no video games ,computers or mb phones just 3 very dirty and exhausted boys equals my idea of paradise and hopefully some great childhood memories!!!
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nothing breeds respect like a good healthy dose of fear!!!!
No it doesn't. Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm)
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4 days in the bush with no video games ,computers or mb phones just 3 very dirty and exhausted boys equals my idea of paradise and hopefully some great childhood memories!!!
Can't argue with that :)
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Can't argue with that :)
X2
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No it doesn't. Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm)
Think you,ve taken it out of context.The fear of Dad getting angry is different to the fear of being abused. ;D
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No it doesn't. Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm)
It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!
My father also believed in a warning, then a bloody good floggin'. Most of the time, the warning was enough ;)
That's fear at work, & I only disrepect those who do it to me 1st
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MICHAEL DAFFERN, AUST. PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY: What we can say here is that exposing individuals to a punitive or abusive environment or any sort of abusive treatment where they're exposed to violence from an early age, where they learn that violence is an acceptable way of solving problems is going to be problematic and it's only going to help them learn or consolidate a violent repertoire.
This is not new information and the reason why there is a strong argument to ban smacking. Using violence as a means of control teaches that violence is a means of control.
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It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!
You obviously didn't read it properly, and since when does the ABC compete for ratings?
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This is not new information and the reason why there is a strong argument to ban smacking. Using violence as a means of control teaches that violence is a means of control.
I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
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I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence
I agree with you 100% D4.
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I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
The whole point is that it's sub-conscious. Striking someone IS violence.
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Ok, Here's my thoughts on this.
As a child I received the strap, a smack and other means of punishment for my behavior.
As a parent I have done the same with my kids.
What I haven't done is used these methods while I was angry, I have not lashed out whilst in a rage.
Some kids don't need a smack, others do, sometimes a quiet word is enough or time out other times the child needs to be snapped out of their unwillingness to listen to reason. Some will say kids don't know reason, oh, yes they do.
For a few years now, the happy clappers & the Government have told us how to deal with our children, how we aren't allowed to do this or that. it will lower their self esteem Now we have a generation of kids that have no respect for anyone or anything and the world tells us we have been bad parents.
Now on the other side of raising a child, I encourage and praise my kids at every chance I can, but I also tell them when they have screwed up and I'm disappointed in them, life is not all lardy dardy and perfect.
How the hell are they going to cope with the real world when older if they have never been told the word NO, or You have screwed up?
Life is full of rules and disappointments and the earlier kids under stand how it works the better chance they will have of making it through life.
I see parents that are even too afraid to raise their voice to they kids for fear of being labeled a bad parent.
Well, these days I only have to look my kids in the eye without raising my voice for them to know I'm not putting up with their misbehavior or attitude, it's not through fear of violence, they know I'm not happy and they will loose privileges or they wont be involved in family activities.
I believe I'm doing a pretty good job of raising my kids, just as my parents had with my brother & sister and myself.
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bobnrob on Yesterday at 19:41:02
It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings.
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!
You obviously didn't read it properly, and since when does the ABC compete for ratings?
When I wrote "It's amazing how some put across their point of view", I was referring to the ABC, & not you Symon (I could see how it may look like I meant you ;) )
Yes, you're right, ABC doesn't compete for ratings per se, & my apologies for mis-leading. But they must perform/secure ratings for shows, or the show (if a series) will be axed, the Journalist's, Producers, Reserchers etc would not hold a job for very long if their Investigative/Documentry show/storie(s) didn't hold peoples attention.
Any Gov dept that don't 'perform', loses money, & we all know when money is taken from areas, Management start head-chopping.
As for not reading it properly, again you're right. I got to some of the names, read the gist of the story & thought to myself...same rubbish I've read & heard ad nauseam.
Why were these people in there in the 1st place? certainly not because they were angels. I don't have the stats, but I would put good money on it being some - if not a large portion - were already well & truly on their way to being 'career criminals'. In fact, from that ABC article "Those who badly misbehaved or tried to escape were packed off to Tamworth to be strictly disciplined".
Not those who were good, or just a bit naughty, not even just misbehaved, but "badly"
But you know, Tamworth wasn't the only place of it's ilk. Burnside (Pennant Hills) was just as notorious, just didn't have so many 'big name' types coming out of it I guess.
And not all entered these places as delinquents either, some simply had the misfortune of being born to someone who didn't want them, nor any other 'family' wanting them. They were all treated badly irrespective of why they lived (sic) there, no one will ever get an argument from me saying they weren't. What I will argue is, claims that majority of people severly punished continously - & that's the direction you sent it when others were talking about simple belting/smacks for misbehaving - will turn out violent mungrols. As I wrote previously, I've known blokes who've come from Brady Bunch type homes, who've grown to be extremly violent. I also know blokes who've been bought up with violence, who're now pillars of society.
My belief? Some can be trained to be violent, others can be nutured...it's all in the idividuals makeup & which path they wish to take.
Anyways, the OP was meant as some light humour based on nostalgia, & I've made the mistake of seeing red...I let my emotions rule my head :-[
This is the point where I bow out & let wiser than I solve the mysterys of the Universe :-*
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No it doesn't. Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm)
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Symon, I think this would be more the result of not having a caring father and mother raising them.
Ok, Here's my thoughts on this.
As a child I received the strap, a smack and other means of punishment for my behavior.
As a parent I have done the same with my kids.
What I haven't done is used these methods while I was angry, I have not lashed out whilst in a rage.
Some kids don't need a smack, others do, sometimes a quiet word is enough or time out other times the child needs to be snapped out of their unwillingness to listen to reason. Some will say kids don't know reason, oh, yes they do.
For a few years now, the happy clappers & the Government have told us how to deal with our children, how we aren't allowed to do this or that. it will lower their self esteem Now we have a generation of kids that have no respect for anyone or anything and the world tells us we have been bad parents.
Now on the other side of raising a child, I encourage and praise my kids at every chance I can, but I also tell them when they have screwed up and I'm disappointed in them, life is not all lardy dardy and perfect.
How the hell are they going to cope with the real world when older if they have never been told the word NO, or You have screwed up?
Life is full of rules and disappointments and the earlier kids under stand how it works the better chance they will have of making it through life.
I see parents that are even too afraid to raise their voice to they kids for fear of being labeled a bad parent.
Well, these days I only have to look my kids in the eye without raising my voice for them to know I'm not putting up with their misbehavior or attitude, it's not through fear of violence, they know I'm not happy and they will loose privileges or they wont be involved in family activities.
I believe I'm doing a pretty good job of raising my kids, just as my parents had with my brother & sister and myself.
:cheers:
Very well said.!
I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
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Agree with you totally on that D4D.