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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: JCOJ on October 21, 2011, 05:35:21 PM
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Just recevied an e-mail for an offer to subscribe to Pat's new magazine.
It promotes: far less ads, more content, authentic and honest editorial, plus other things.
I've really enjoyed his tv shows so I've subscribed and look forward to Issue 1!!
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I'm trying to think of something constructive to say but I can't....
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Just looked at the website and I will be subscribing. I got bored with rest of the magazines so I will give this one a go...even thou he drives a Nissan
Mark
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I'm trying to think of something constructive to say but I can't....
'Constructivityism' it happens. ;D
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Have Pat and Roothy had a tiff ??? I thought they both started out with 4wd monthly/action..... Maybe we will see a duel later on.. is it through the same mag group??
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I don't know if I will subscribe but I will definately give it a look. I enjoyed 4WDM before Pat left so let's see if he still has it.
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Have Pat and Roothy had a tiff ??? I thought they both started out with 4wd monthly/action..... Maybe we will see a duel later on.. is it through the same mag group??
I heard it had more to do with Pat having a fallout with Express Publications.
I quite like the guy as well, so will have a look at his mag.
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I'm trying to think of something constructive to say but I can't....
I've got one...less adds and crap in between the articles...yeh right!
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If he crams as much advertising in his articles as he does in his videos, 30% will seem like 50% anyway.
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I'll wait for the first 5-6 to come out, see if its worth it, see how much over priced it is, see how much of th same old same old it is, then the ads will pickup then not subscribe.
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Is this on shelves now?? I've had a look and my local didnt have it, and hadnt heard of it.....or is it only those who have subscribed that have received copies so far???
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Apparantly it will be in the newsagents from Nov 2nd.
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What a lot of TOSS
not one of these mags will outright state one product is better than the other. Dont know how many times I've bought an issue of a mag becuase of a "comparo" without the end result sayinf so long as you're out there.
no cred to any of them
just my two cents worth of course
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What a lot of TOSS
not one of these mags will outright state one product is better than the other. Dont know how many times I've bought an issue of a mag becuase of a "comparo" without the end result sayinf so long as you're out there.
no cred to any of them
just my two cents worth of course
I don't know why you feel they have to *decide*. They are there to put all the facts on the table and then lets us decide. Yes you have to read between the lines some times I agree. Of course there not going to say X is better than Y but they do tell you if one feature fails or does not do as suggested and they do tend to offer specs when they can. I just don't read a mag to be told what to buy. I do like to have all the facts they put together after a test.
It's to complex to state a winner when there are so many variables like a winch for example. One maybe cheaper but not as fast. One maybe not so good when under water but what if you live in a area where you never winch in water why would you pay for a Warn...
Just my two cents worth as well. No insults intended but I think we read to much into what the mags are trying to do which is bring to alls attention new products for consideration plus thoughts on what maybe best for X - X being what you do or I do which are never the same.
Also, and this is my main point. They just don't have to cater to you and me, those who have already got tons of stuff. They are writing for those who are now to the market for new gear and there are tons of those. Might seem wrong but when did any one really get any thing they didn't or think they didn't know from the mag.
I don't think it's all that bad. The new product reviews and stuff around that area, mods, laws etc are more than enough for me to but the mag each Month.
Pat won't do much different. He is a great guy and is like all of us in that he is passionate about the 4WD scene. But at the end of the day there will be similarities between the three or four mags no matter what...
Oh well. just IMO so no one should take offence please. If you do then you'll have to come to Broome to tell me ;D
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Last time I watched his TV show he was flogging everything, reminds me of Roothy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ;D
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I don't know why you feel they have to *decide*. They are there to put all the facts on the table and then lets us decide. Yes you have to read between the lines some times I agree. Of course there not going to say X is better than Y but they do tell you if one feature fails or does not do as suggested and they do tend to offer specs when they can. I just don't read a mag to be told what to buy. I do like to have all the facts they put together after a test.
It's to complex to state a winner when there are so many variables like a winch for example. One maybe cheaper but not as fast. One maybe not so good when under water but what if you live in a area where you never winch in water why would you pay for a Warn...
Just my two cents worth as well. No insults intended but I think we read to much into what the mags are trying to do which is bring to alls attention new products for consideration plus thoughts on what maybe best for X - X being what you do or I do which are never the same.
Also, and this is my main point. They just don't have to cater to you and me, those who have already got tons of stuff. They are writing for those who are now to the market for new gear and there are tons of those. Might seem wrong but when did any one really get any thing they didn't or think they didn't know from the mag.
I don't think it's all that bad. The new product reviews and stuff around that area, mods, laws etc are more than enough for me to but the mag each Month.
Pat won't do much different. He is a great guy and is like all of us in that he is passionate about the 4WD scene. But at the end of the day there will be similarities between the three or four mags no matter what...,
Oh well. just IMO so no one should take offence please. If you do then you'll have to come to Broome to tell me ;D
well said, the mags can be a greatr source of info for the newby and even the more expirenced.i havnt found the comparos biased at all, with some cheap brand exceeding the well known stuff (also havnt seen the cheap stuff advertised in the mags) im sure pats mags will be of similar quality, as his tv series has been. SteveandViv, tried to convince the wife that i was offended, but only so we could go to broome ;D love it up there, was up there 6 years ago and was ready to move up the next day. cant wait to get back up there cheers wayne
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If everyone really wants a mag with great articles, good realistic product reviews, minimal advertising and great subscription offers, I can provide one ??? ??? ???
All we need to do is get some of the fantastic articles off the site, combine it with the wealth of knowledge here, chuck in the humour and shoot anyone who evens mentions electrickery.
Photos here are fantastic and abundant, all though Danbris' collection may have to be veto'ed !!!!
Some of his pics are a worry.
Speewa can be our editor ;D
Now if the positions open, I'll retire and do some product reviews and real life testing for a large fee >:D
Donations can be made from all manufacturers.
I'll start this month with a product review of the landrover disco 4, Kedron trailer, canon cameras, and all accomodation stops between Sideney and Broome. :-*
Assistants welcome to come along.......
Reporting back as soon as the funds roll in,
Brian
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a myswag mag ....... Id buy that!
lol
cheers chippy :D
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a myswag mag ....... Id buy that!
lol
cheers chippy :D
What about the sub mag, Electrical ;D
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What about the sub mag, Electrical ;D
Great idea. And we can then do a *Comparro* on 6b&s cable ;D
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Great idea. And we can then do a *Comparro* on 6b&s cable ;D
thats Gold!!!!! then we can have a flame war and then lock the thread, just to maintain consistancy.....
I'll just say this SteveandVic, that the mainstream mags do try and cater for a wide audience, but somethimes their "opinions" are pretty wishy-washy, and i think what we'd all appreciate is a bit more definitive comment from time to time.
Also, and slightly off topic, can anyone explain how they can decide on a "4x4OTY" or Ute OTY when they only review anything thats new or vastly changed? I reckon they should review All currently available models, not just the new ones. THATS what the punter who is looking for a new 4x4 wants to read. Not that the Navara is bette rthan the Disco 4 and the Triton and Ssangyong and the Lada Niva mk III because they because they are the new models this year. I"m not Land Rover fan (I dislike the things actually, a Massey Fergusson has more refinement than a Defender, but the Disco isnt bad) but the Defender never appears in these "Of the Year" things because it hasn't been upgraded in 2,000,000 years!! And they are a pretty good truck, well a tough truck, if you like tractors ;) but you get my point. a very capable 4x4. Why not just grab the top 10 or 15 selling (with maybe a few "guest" appearances from the lesser selling models or brand new ones so its not just a Toyota and Nissan festival) and have them fight it out. be a much better representation of the current market.........
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I've got one...less adds and crap in between the articles...yeh right!
Hi Morgue..In the words of ODD BALL out of the Movie KELLY HERO's you need to chill out and think positive :D
The last number of threads Ive read that you appear in you seem awfully depressed and negative..if youre not carefull you will end up turning into a grumpy old man. Lifes great, we all love you man ;D
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a myswag mag ....... Id buy that!
lol
cheers chippy :D
Can you imagine it? I'd love to see darren's 'opinion' article on the last page...
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i havnt found the comparos biased at all
you dont read many do you?
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He tows a cub so can't be all bad :-*
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Can you imagine it? I'd love to see darren's 'opinion' article on the last page...
I'd buy the mag just for that :)
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thats Gold!!!!! then we can have a flame war and then lock the thread, just to maintain consistancy.....
I'll just say this SteveandVic, that the mainstream mags do try and cater for a wide audience, but somethimes their "opinions" are pretty wishy-washy, and i think what we'd all appreciate is a bit more definitive comment from time to time.
Also, and slightly off topic, can anyone explain how they can decide on a "4x4OTY" or Ute OTY when they only review anything thats new or vastly changed? I reckon they should review All currently available models, not just the new ones. THATS what the punter who is looking for a new 4x4 wants to read. Not that the Navara is bette rthan the Disco 4 and the Triton and Ssangyong and the Lada Niva mk III because they because they are the new models this year. I"m not Land Rover fan (I dislike the things actually, a Massey Fergusson has more refinement than a Defender, but the Disco isnt bad) but the Defender never appears in these "Of the Year" things because it hasn't been upgraded in 2,000,000 years!! And they are a pretty good truck, well a tough truck, if you like tractors ;) but you get my point. a very capable 4x4. Why not just grab the top 10 or 15 selling (with maybe a few "guest" appearances from the lesser selling models or brand new ones so its not just a Toyota and Nissan festival) and have them fight it out. be a much better representation of the current market.........
I'll just say this SteveandVic, that the mainstream mags do try and cater for a wide audience, but somethimes their "opinions" are pretty wishy-washy, and i think what we'd all appreciate is a bit more definitive comment from time to time.
Yep, your right. I totally agree and why I don't really take much notice of the tests they do like the *which will go further - Tyres, suspension or lockers*. Each of us build our car to a standard that gets us where we want to go and the trips we want to do.
I am happy to pay for the Mag to see good DVDs (and they are) and to learn about new products like I said. I also get sick of the lack of Pajeros in the Mags and considering that every third 4WD up the Cape is a paj and that up here in the Kimberly they are the 4WD of choice for most hire companies for both comfort and price, I wonder why...
Anyway. We get to see and learn about great places, see some great pics and it's a lot better than reading New Idea ;D
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you dont read many do you?
ive read most of these comparos, they cater for all budgets other mags dont. if they were biased certain brands (major advertisers) would come out on top, some times these brands fail.
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if they were biased certain brands (major advertisers) would come out on top, some times these brands fail.
yep.. i was right`
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Location: SE Mexico
Hi Lost
have you given your local gateway IP a DNS entry? ???
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Hi Lost
have you given your local gateway IP a DNS entry? ???
anonimizers... ;)
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yep.. i was right`
dont know what mag you are reading, but i feel the comparos arent biased. other mags the cheap brands wouldnt get a look in, and only the well known expensive brands shown and recommended, which doesnt cater for all readers.. the comparos are there for you to make your own decision, they just provide (in my opinion) the unbiased numbers of the results. pass, fail, cheap or expensive no consumer can afford to do these tests, allowing them to choose a product that suits their need and budget. i
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I don't know why you feel they have to *decide*. They are there to put all the facts on the table and then lets us decide. Yes you have to read between the lines some times I agree. Of course there not going to say X is better than Y but they do tell you if one feature fails or does not do as suggested and they do tend to offer specs when they can. I just don't read a mag to be told what to buy. I do like to have all the facts they put together after a test.
It's to complex to state a winner when there are so many variables like a winch for example. One maybe cheaper but not as fast. One maybe not so good when under water but what if you live in a area where you never winch in water why would you pay for a Warn...
Just my two cents worth as well. No insults intended but I think we read to much into what the mags are trying to do which is bring to alls attention new products for consideration plus thoughts on what maybe best for X - X being what you do or I do which are never the same.
Also, and this is my main point. They just don't have to cater to you and me, those who have already got tons of stuff. They are writing for those who are now to the market for new gear and there are tons of those. Might seem wrong but when did any one really get any thing they didn't or think they didn't know from the mag.
I don't think it's all that bad. The new product reviews and stuff around that area, mods, laws etc are more than enough for me to but the mag each Month.
Pat won't do much different. He is a great guy and is like all of us in that he is passionate about the 4WD scene. But at the end of the day there will be similarities between the three or four mags no matter what...
Oh well. just IMO so no one should take offence please. If you do then you'll have to come to Broome to tell me ;D
Dont want to be told what to buy. Its a bit hard for an individual to line up ten products and compare performance.
I do take your point on horses for courses, but some products comparos are simply a collection of product brochures / specs. I can collect that info without leaving home.
At the end of the day we're looking for real life performance which is where this forum comes in. And yes, here too you MUST read through the bull%$^t. But you get a far clearer image of what products will and wont do. IMO
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They are giving another camper and Patrol package away again, I entered yesterday so I think i should win ;D
GG
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I got the new mag yesterday. It's pretty flash, haven't had a lot of time to get into it but it looks pretty good so far.
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back on topic now: i seen the pat calinan mag at the news agent when i went in to by the camper trailer mag about the kimberley. i like pat and i think he is a good honest bloke. his magazine i guess didnt appeal to me as i dont feel its aimed at people similar to myself, everything is so flashy and new and all the products they promote/use seem to be at the high end of the scale, now im sure there are a few baby boomers that this appeals to, but the average joe in their 30's with a few rug rats just cant afford that lifestyle off road yet, the purchase price seemed a little high as well. i admit i was excited when i seen the mag though but after a quick flick through i realised it was just like an extension of the tv series. i honestly hope that this mag picks up and takes off, the other mags out there are really ****e at the moment and i only buy them occasionally now so i still have something to read/watch. this is just my opinion and as stated above im sure a few of the baby boomers/ grey nomads will find pats magazine great, i just dont think he should be aiming solely at that audience, we all know though thats were the dollars are at the moment!!!
good luck with the mag Pat
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Last time I watched his TV show he was flogging everything, reminds me of Roothy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ;D
Im with you mystq why cant they just have a go like the Gall boys. Then sell all there crap at the end of the show!
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Brought a copy of the mag yesterday. I haven't read every article yet, but so far very impressed.
None of this rip **** and bust attude you find elsewhere. Seem to be more focused on the sights to see and history.
As it mentions, it is a touring magazine. Will not suit the hardcore boys.
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They are giving another camper and Patrol package away again, I entered yesterday so I think i should win ;D
GG
You wasted your time mate i'm going to win. Anyone want to buy a stripped gold GU, never been offroad.
My local didn't stock the new mag I'll have a look for it again this week.
Cheers
Rich
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You wasted your time mate i'm going to win. Anyone want to buy a stripped gold GU, never been offroad.
My local didn't stock the new mag I'll have a look for it again this week.
Cheers
Rich
We can go halves, you can have the Patrol and I will take the camper and all the other swag >:D
GG
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Hey guys,
I was snooping around the web to find out what people REALLY think about the mag! Let's face it, everyone's way too friendly and unbiased on F'book!
Great to hear your thoughts. And my response to the 'Will not suit hardcore boys" - yep, you're right. Although those arctic trucks in the first issue will cause the odd grin. But yep, she's a dedicated touring lifestyle mag this one.
As for the price, well, we're printed in Australia and produced in Australia. Same reason why a Qantas flight costs more than Air China. If you want the good local stuff, you've gotta pay for it. That, and the fact that we use better paper, better shooters, better writers. Oops, slap me around the head, I'm sounding like I'm selling here...
Keep the feedback coming. It's early days here and the team is genuinely interested in what you guys think.
Oh, and eldo said that we're mainly showing the fancy gear. We're definitely focusing on quality product, but will try and make sure that much of it is affordable. For example next issue we're looking at tents. Although I look at products like the EarthCruiser as a 4WD version of a Ferrari. You might not buy the thing, but it's sure as hell fun to dream.... ;D
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Hey guys,
I was snooping around the web to find out what people REALLY think about the mag! Let's face it, everyone's way too friendly and unbiased on F'book!
Great to hear your thoughts. And my response to the 'Will not suit hardcore boys" - yep, you're right. Although those arctic trucks in the first issue will cause the odd grin. But yep, she's a dedicated touring lifestyle mag this one.
As for the price, well, we're printed in Australia and produced in Australia. Same reason why a Qantas flight costs more than Air China. If you want the good local stuff, you've gotta pay for it. That, and the fact that we use better paper, better shooters, better writers. Oops, slap me around the head, I'm sounding like I'm selling here...
Keep the feedback coming. It's early days here and the team is genuinely interested in what you guys think.
Oh, and eldo said that we're mainly showing the fancy gear. We're definitely focusing on quality product, but will try and make sure that much of it is affordable. For example next issue we're looking at tents. Although I look at products like the EarthCruiser as a 4WD version of a Ferrari. You might not buy the thing, but it's sure as hell fun to dream.... ;D
I hate you, I didn't win the big prize of the car and camper >:D
Good show by the way ;D
Oh yeh I forgot, welcome :cheers:
Baz.
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not suiting the "hardcore guys" - finally a mag that doesn't.........i've not had the chance to get to my newsagent and buy a copy (want to get the first one before commiting to subscribe) but from what i've read here so far i'm going to love it.
just a word to Pat though, please don't have a team of telemarketers ringing me every second day trying to drain my bank account - sure fire way of giving me the s%@t's
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Well I've had a good read of it now and I'm impressed. It is everything Pat said it is above, which he also says in his intro/editorial. Overall the word I'd use is 'quality'; even the advertisers graphics and design are of a high standard.
Travelling, and the experience of travelling, are indeed the main focus of the mag, and such things as camper trailers, newly released 4WDs, owner-modified 4WDs and upgrades to drivelines etc. are left out, which is fine as all the other mags out there cover these in great detail.
I thought the Earth Explorer article was quite interesting, although at the end I was still wondering just who it would suit, but that's nothing to do with the mag.
The photography throughout is simply superb. And it even has a photography tips section.
It has a few of the 'entry level' type articles, which I know always get on the nerves of the long-term offroading types who've seen it all before, but there's always someone who's new to it, and let's face it you can only come up with so much new stuff for each issue. And on that, I thought the cover price was ok given that it is really more of a coffee table mag than a leave it in the dunny mag. And unless I am wrong it is a quarterly? So you could buy every issue for a year and still spend less than you would for that other dunny-spec magazine :D
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not suiting the "hardcore guys" - finally a mag that doesn't.........i've not had the chance to get to my newsagent and buy a copy (want to get the first one before commiting to subscribe) but from what i've read here so far i'm going to love it.
just a word to Pat though, please don't have a team of telemarketers ringing me every second day trying to drain my bank account - sure fire way of giving me the s%@t's
No telemarketing going on from this end. And our inbound call centre is based right here in Oz, not Delhi... :cheers:
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OK I normally keep my opinion to myself, but this one seems to bug ,me so here it is!!
When are people going to stop complaining about the amount of adds and obviously "sponsored Product Reviews", "biased Comparos" etc... That is life and that is how the magazine makes money, business is business and the publishers aren't there just to produce a magazine for you to read, they are there to make money. If there was a publisher that tried to make the "Perfect" mag with no adds, no biased opinions etc then they would need to sell it for $50.00 per copy, who's going to pay that??? Of course no one is, so instead they sell advertising space, sponsotship etc to make their money and keep the cost to the readers as low as possible. After all the more mags they can sell, the more the advertisers will want to advertise in that mag and the more they can charge for the advertising, quite simple really.
Yes some mags seem to have a definite "Attitude", however just because that attitude doesn't sit with you doesn't mean you should bitch about the mag, obviously that attitude is just right for alot of other readers because they still sell the mag, and advertisers still pay to be in it.
Personally I thoroughly enjoy Pat Callinans work, his TV series was fantastic and suits my "Attitude" just right, he takes his time to really enjoy the place he is touring, not just the individual track he is driving on. Will I buy his mag, YES. Do i think it will have biased articles, plug sponsored products and be full off adds, YES of course it will, because that's life and nothing in life is free. Pat may love what he does, but he's not going to do it for nothing, he has a wife, kids and mortgage etc to support just like the rest of us. So I just say GOOD ONYA PAT, keep doing what your doing and just ignore people who complain about the adds, biased opinions etc....
OK I'll retreat to my corner now!! ;D
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Personally I thoroughly enjoy Pat Callinans work, his TV series was fantastic and suits my "Attitude" just right, he takes his time to really enjoy the place he is touring
in between all the product placement adverts portrayed as 'infomation'...
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in between all the product placement adverts portrayed as 'infomation'...
Of course because that's what pays the bills and keeps the cover price down!!
Doesn't mean it's not a great read though, just have to view it as someones opinion (whether paid for or not) and your opinion may be different. Not tring to upset anyone, just trying to bring a little bit of perspective to the discussion.
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this subject goes to Shit everytime someone mentions magazines.. its always 5-10 pages of "this is crap"..
its not new...
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just grabbed a copy and first impressions it looks good. :)
might be the next subscription having just let pat's old mags expire for first time in 8 years. ;D
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just grabbed a copy and first impressions it looks good. :)
might be the next subscription having just let pat's old mags expire for first time in 8 years. ;D
Did it come with a DVD?
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in between all the product placement adverts portrayed as 'infomation'...
Oops, stuffed the previous quote...
I meant to ask this guy if he'd read the magazine...
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Did it come with a DVD?
no, do not expect to get a dvd if the content is good quality. 8)
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no, do not expect to get a dvd if the content is good quality. 8)
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;D
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Oops, stuffed the previous quote... I meant to ask this guy if he'd read the magazine...
if you meant me, then the current new magazine no I havent.
I gave up on advertising material in the guise of a magazines years ago. Yes we all know mags need adverts to survive, but I can get ads on the interwebs... free. How about just put ALL the ads down the back away from the interesting stuff. Thats how a few of the bike mags ran for years, and worked well. I'd even pick one up at the newsagents while waitin for the Pizza to be ready..
When you open a magazine and you don't get the index on the very first page, when you have to wait something like page 4-5 of the same ad month in month out its already lost me. All the Bike maggos are like this now. Dont buy them either.
I can't get my head around how 2 4wd magazines 1 month apart can do a test on Spotlights, yet be 100% opposite in results.
EG: Winner in magazine A lost in Mag B, and vice versa... Amazingly followed by 2 page spread of advertising from the winners... call me suspicious...
I've seen some vids from magazines that I think you were involved with at mates places where they were nothing more than info-mercials, with more convenient product placement (eg: leaning on the car lookin at the camera saying ARB or whatever brand 20 times) than info on the journey. Nobody needs that. Some were almost cheezy they were that blatant...;) Don't get me started on the bloke that cant work on a 4b without the "handbrake" bringing him 400 beers...
Don't get me wrong I hope it works for you, plenty of people say your Shit is good and like it so good luck...
But I can get real world info from forums without any advertising bias that most magazines contain these days - maybe there is, maybe there isnt - every magazine is different... I can ask about DC DC chargers, and cable and have good experienced answers in 24hrs tops.
I dont know the last time I saw a 4b magazine do a test on something that really was Shit actually say that - somehow everything ALWAYS scores a 3-4 out of 5... Dont forget I know with cars that the ones given for testing are not straight off the showroom floor - well 2 car companies blokes in my old bike club worked for had 'special' cars for testing, whch is not the mags fault, but also gives false readings.
I think it was MC news was the last true test I read on the GPZ I think it was, they said it was crap and Kawasaki didnt give them test bikes for 10 odd years after that. But the reader knew the truth.
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I can ask about DC DC chargers, and cable and have good experienced answers in 24hrs tops.
Sorry Lost, but I think you meant to say "in 24 pages tops"
LJ
PS Good, spot on 'rant' IMHO.
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Sorry Lost, but I think you meant to say "in 24 pages tops
I was being polite :P
but it has been pretty good so far, I'm lookin into em at moment..
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Just bought one wow collectors edition havnt read it yet so can,t comment :cheers:
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Damn, Pat's on MySwag...
Probably not a good time to post up burnt copies of his 'Australia by 4X4' S1-3 Box Sets for sale... :angel:
LJ
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...not unless you want a copy Pat?? (Free shipping!)
Lost you probably wouldn't want them... they've still got the TV adverts in them.
LJ
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Damn, Pat's on MySwag...
Probably not a good time to post up burnt copies of his 'Australia by 4X4' S1-3 Box Sets for sale... :angel:
LJ
LMAO ;D ;D
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Damn, Pat's on MySwag...
Probably not a good time to post up burnt copies of his 'Australia by 4X4' S1-3 Box Sets for sale... :angel:
LJ
HA ;D
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...not unless you want a copy Pat?? (Free shipping!)
Lost you probably wouldn't want them... they've still got the TV adverts in them.
ARB might :D
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a myswag mag ....... Id buy that!
lol
cheers chippy :D
Speewa can do the proof reading
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Well I really like the format. I've been reading Pats stuff since the first 4WD Monthly and I think this is very well put together. It's quite different to the others in how the pics are displayed and the story written. Will be good to see where this goes.
Well done Pat.. never did get those old 4Wd Action shirts off you in the Mountains years ago. You may also remember my youngest wrote your youngest a letter many years ago to which yours replied. We still have those letters back in Springwood...
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if you meant me, then the current new magazine no I havent.
I gave up on advertising material in the guise of a magazines years ago. Yes we all know mags need adverts to survive, but I can get ads on the interwebs... free. How about just put ALL the ads down the back away from the interesting stuff. Thats how a few of the bike mags ran for years, and worked well. I'd even pick one up at the newsagents while waitin for the Pizza to be ready..
When you open a magazine and you don't get the index on the very first page, when you have to wait something like page 4-5 of the same ad month in month out its already lost me. All the Bike maggos are like this now. Dont buy them either.
I can't get my head around how 2 4wd magazines 1 month apart can do a test on Spotlights, yet be 100% opposite in results.
EG: Winner in magazine A lost in Mag B, and vice versa... Amazingly followed by 2 page spread of advertising from the winners... call me suspicious...
I've seen some vids from magazines that I think you were involved with at mates places where they were nothing more than info-mercials, with more convenient product placement (eg: leaning on the car lookin at the camera saying ARB or whatever brand 20 times) than info on the journey. Nobody needs that. Some were almost cheezy they were that blatant...;) Don't get me started on the bloke that cant work on a 4b without the "handbrake" bringing him 400 beers...
Don't get me wrong I hope it works for you, plenty of people say your **** is good and like it so good luck...
But I can get real world info from forums without any advertising bias that most magazines contain these days - maybe there is, maybe there isnt - every magazine is different... I can ask about DC DC chargers, and cable and have good experienced answers in 24hrs tops.
I dont know the last time I saw a 4b magazine do a test on something that really was **** actually say that - somehow everything ALWAYS scores a 3-4 out of 5... Dont forget I know with cars that the ones given for testing are not straight off the showroom floor - well 2 car companies blokes in my old bike club worked for had 'special' cars for testing, whch is not the mags fault, but also gives false readings.
I think it was MC news was the last true test I read on the GPZ I think it was, they said it was crap and Kawasaki didnt give them test bikes for 10 odd years after that. But the reader knew the truth.
Dang, that's a long way of saying that you haven't read it! How about I post you a copy so you can comment on the the mag. I'm genuinely interested in feedback. And I wouldn't have started a new magazine if I didn't think that it could be done a little differently. Certainly not expecting that we can satisfy all of the people all of the time, but if we can satisfy most, then I'll sleep well at night.
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Well I really like the format. I've been reading Pats stuff since the first 4WD Monthly and I think this is very well put together. It's quite different to the others in how the pics are displayed and the story written. Will be good to see where this goes.
Well done Pat.. never did get those old 4Wd Action shirts off you in the Mountains years ago. You may also remember my youngest wrote your youngest a letter many years ago to which yours replied. We still have those letters back in Springwood...
I remember that letter! Nice one. And those shirts have gone to heaven now Steve! Or was that Blaxland tip... :D
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Certainly not expecting that we can satisfy all of the people all of the time
Yep, thats the biggest problem with magazines... Some maggos like 4wd_whoever_they_are_this_week try to do that. Its born to fail.(http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/268/epic%20fail.gif).
Having said that, there isnt a large enough market to have 10 different magazines @ $10ea to suit everyone.. this was the fail with motorcycling magazines.
With 4wding, the wannabe-hardcore kiddies hate "bolt on bandits" (but love using the term to put others down), apparently cause they are flooding the magazine with cars using only bolt on parts, cause its usually what 90% of them are themselves - we all started there. I see no problem with that.
The "Bolt on Bandits" hate hardcore cause their 28inch tyres wont get them up the track anymore and have absolutely ZERO interest in hydro rear steer in their 2012 Sang Yong that recover Delicas with 4in lift, twin lockers, custom barwork, chopped into a ute with Coil overs...
Feel free to shoot me a copy if you like, I'll go in with an open mind.
As for magazines I see it as
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Dang, that's a long way of saying that you haven't read it! How about I post you a copy so you can comment on the the mag. I'm genuinely interested in feedback. And I wouldn't have started a new magazine if I didn't think that it could be done a little differently. Certainly not expecting that we can satisfy all of the people all of the time, but if we can satisfy most, then I'll sleep well at night.
feel free to send me one as well, havnt been given any pocket money to buy a copy.
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Just went out and bought the first issue.
Hats off to you Pat for starting a new mag up and doing it with a very polished product. Love the design (although some of the font choices are a bit over the top In places) the photography is top notch ( although the blacks are a bit heavy in places).
Love the big maps that ate actually of some use compared to the tiny little thumbnails used innother mags. One of my personal pet peeves.
Love the mix of stories.
Now it all becomes clear when I was chatting with Scott earlier this year as he couldn't give too much away, very hush hush.
Awesome job keep it up
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niceway to get a free mag lost! lol
I'm impressed with the mag Pat, I will def be buying it in the future. The lack of adds every two pages, and the informative articles make for a nice change! Great photography, and setout. I just hope that future editions wont be repeating the same articles over and over again ..... I also love the size of the maps better than those "other" mags!
Cheers Chippy :D
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By the way I dont believe your stubby coolers will really keep my stubbies cold ...any chance you can send me one and I will test it out ??? hahahaha :p
Cheers Chippy :D
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Any chance you could post up some pics of the the mag Pat?
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my better half picked up a copy today................can't wait to get home and check it out
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I'm not really into Mags, but I'll pick up a copy and give it a read, I used to like Tony Kirby's Sidetrack, but like a lot of the bike mags, content dropped in favour of adds.
Might have a squiz at Pat's new show this Friday as well, the last show I watched was pretty good.
Baz.
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I'm not really into Mags, but I'll pick up a copy and give it a read, I used to like Tony Kirby's Sidetrack
Yep, was good.. I used to read Wazza's copies... I actually used to like Trail and Track :(
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Yep, was good.. I used to read Wazza's copies... I actually used to like Trail and Track :(
Sidetrack was great but when Tony moved from Harris Park to the bush it struggled and so did his health. Isn't he back at ADB. I don't buy the bike mags anymore.
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I grabbed a copy last week while I was in the newsagent and it was staring at me. Over all, I like it, and find it to be much higher quality than anything else on the shelf at the moment.
I was a bit hesitant, because although I really like Pat's 4x4 Adventures TV show, I found the last season to be a bit difficult to follow, and the advertorials a bit too intrusive to the show. So it was with that in the back of my mind that I picked up a copy and have been reading through it over the past few days.
My condensed thoughts (rare for me, you'll agree):
* I can't stand the gothic-type font. The same one as on the 4x4 Adventures DVD covers. It looks good (very good, in fact) against a plain background, but with any sort of photo underneath it I just can't read it I'm afraid.
* Love the high-quality paper and the great photos. It's obvious that some really top photographers have been used. To me, the presentation of the book is more "coffee table book" than "magazine". I think the team has really hit their goals here. The front cover is very clean and "wow-inspiring". The photos in the articles take centre stage.
* I'm not sold on the high level of HDR used on some of the photos. It certainly makes them pop, and it's the flavour of the month, but I (personally) would like to see it toned down a bit.
* The contributing authors lineup is very strong. I was pleasantly surprised to see Scott Brady's name on the list, and thoroughly enjoyed his article on the EarthRoamer. His pedigree is unquestionable, and it's great to see his writing being bought to Australia. I see this as a great opportunity to increase ties with our US compatriots, and share some experiences between the two countries.
* I thought the advertising mix was good. I liked the rationale and ethics behind the advertising in Pat's foreward, and welcome the hard line against paid-for advertorials. Another mag has recently started including provided advertorials on their DVDs, and I really dislike the practice. That said, I'm not against ads, it's how the mags make their money and offset the costs of production. I liked the limit on large multipage ads - in other mags it's not uncommon for an advertiser to buy 4 consecutive pages, which I find intrusive. As said, I think the mix is good.
All that said, I think the intention of the magazine (and indeed the TV shows) is admirable. I feel it presents in a similar vein to the old Leyland Bros shows, teaching a new generation of Australians about this wonderful country, and that you can take your family safely to see what's out there. For that, I think both the mag and the TV series succeed strongly. I do still have reservations about the format of the TV show, but am looking forward to the new season starting to see if things have improved.
I've not signed up for a subscription to the mag, I intend to buy a few standalone first. If it continues down the same track as the first edition though, I can see it being very successful - not just to the 4wding community, but to help broaden that community to new people.
If I had launched a new mag, and my first edition came out looking like this one has, I'd be pretty happy with myself.
Personally I'd love to get involved with the new mag somehow, it's exactly my cup of tea. Pity I'm not a writer or a photographer. Ahh well, next time Gadget.
To Pat - good luck with the new mag - I think you're off to a cracking start.
Thanks!
Matto :)
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Sidetrack was great but when Tony moved from Harris Park to the bush it struggled and so did his health. Isn't he back at ADB.
not quite.
http://www.cycletorque.com.au/Vale-Tony-Kirby/
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Will certainly have a read Pat as I have enjoyed your tv series, other dvd/magazine input over the years. Unfortunately it may not be till December cause I have already spent my month's worth of coin on your competitiors' magazines.
In terms of advertising, I do not see this as an inconvenience in any way, it is not hard to flick over the advertisements to get to the articles or hit the skip button on your dvd remote when required. I know we would not have the diversity of product or information so readily accessible if it were not for advertisements/sponsors.
Incidentally in a competitior's magazine only a couple of editions ago, there was a comparo of a product (air compressors maybe, sorry can't remember) but one of the products failed in the first test and they did not allow the manufacturer the ability to supply another unit. They said if it failed for them then it would have failed for a customer who has spent their hard earned on it. This manufacturer was also one of their sponsors/advertisers and still is, so 'no bull' test can sometimes mean 'no bull' test.
Keep up the good work Pat.
JAB
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not quite.
http://www.cycletorque.com.au/Vale-Tony-Kirby/
holy Shit. Like I said I don't read/buy bike mags anymore.
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I bought the first issue yesterday but haven't had a chance to read it yet. I like Pat's shows and have a few DVD's so hopefully the mag is an extension of this and just as good quality.
I ran into Pat in Birdsville CP in July last year after he came out of the Simpson and we were heading south. We only had a brief chat but comes across a nice bloke.
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I ran into Pat in Birdsville CP in July last year after he came out of the Simpson and we were heading south. We only had a brief chat but comes across a nice bloke.
We ran into him at Dalhousie before he went into the Simpson - he was camped right behind us. You can just make us out on his dvd when he gets into the Springs. I had a chat to him and I agree that he is a top bloke!
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The whole advertising thing is amusing to me. The whole industry is based on a couple of big players and a multitude of small businesses. These guys are the back bone of our hobby and need our support and yet so many moan about the ads. If you don't like them then just turn the page, if it is too distracting I hope you don't drive on the roads near any sort of civilisation.
Support the guys who advertise in the mags or else all your bits and pieces will end up being conceived, designed and made in Hu Flung Dung province China.
I love flicking through the ads
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well I finished up on page 23 last night (skimmed through the whole thing now i'm reading it), love what i've read so far. this magazine is aimed 100% at what my wife & I want from a mag - I will be subscribing for sure
Pat, you should be very proud of what you and your team have created, and I thank you for bringing it to the people
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Thanks for your feedback guys, really appreciate it. And for what it's worth, I agree on the HDR pics! A well taken single exposure pic always kills an unnatural looking pic every time around! We'll try to scale that back in future, but being the first edition we're still letting our contributors know what we like.
But seriously, thanks for your kind words. Might sound abit corny, but we put our heart into this one, so to see that we've ticked most of the boxes first crack is very gratifying.
Cheers,
pat
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Righto. Who'll start the bidding on those 'Australia by 4X4' S1-3 Box Sets DVD's?
LJ ;D
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$15 pp ;D
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$15 pp ;D
No way, not worth fore than $3 - a buck a disc ;)
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Good on ya Pat :cup:
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Damn he's back!
No way, not worth fore than $3 - a buck a disc ;)
Really? In that case...
For sale: 3x Beer Coasters.
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What's this mag worth to buy at the newsagency?
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Great mag. Lets see what the next one is like.
AJ
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Congrats Pat
Have not seen the mag yet (hint hint) but am sure it will be amazing ;D If its half as good as your show its gunna be a winner
All the best mate
Cheers
JT
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Might have to swing down and grab myself a copy tonight :cheers:
Cheers John
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Burnsy the shelf price is 12 bucks ....
Cheers Chippy :D
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I picked up a copy this arvo and it's a good read. Nicely done Pat. I think the balance between touring, travel and product is good. I think you have found a niche for people like me who want to explore Australia with the family in a capable fourby and camper trailer. ie. I'm not a lifted, custom, V8 GQ Shorty on 35" beadlocks kinda guy....
I've dropped a big hint to my wife, so hopefully Santa will bring me a subscription for Christmas. 8)
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$12 ??? This is ground breaking.
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I picked up a copy out of intrest and think it's content is good, but my first thoughts were that it looked like one of those bride guides.
Just a note. IMO. I'd rather see more pic and less heading.
Anyway best of luck with it Pat.
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Got mine, now to find the time to read it.
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I bought the first copy. Good work! I read bits and peices and noted that it was very much like the Overland Journal. The I read the writeup on the contributors. All in all I thought it was pretty good. I can't see myself buying every issue, but I reckon I will pick one up every now and then.
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Pat, on the magazine feedback.
I've probably not got much more to add, but a couple of things come to mind
Love the white space - makes for a less cluttered layout and more relaxing read.
Photography is excellent as expected with those names on the credits. Re the HDR, the only one that I found too overcooked was the one on p52.
The mono pics were great. Mono can bring out so much more detail and mood in an image. I don't recall seeing too many in these type of mag before.
I liked the the fonts (especially the large titles - almost a country gothic feel to it?), but some pages seemed a little too mixed & matched with different fonts (eg p55)
$12 is not cheap, but if it is a quality read with less ads, and fully made here, then I reckon I can have a beer or two less each month to make up the difference. Well done.
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Pat, on the magazine feedback.
I've probably not got much more to add, but a couple of things come to mind
Love the white space - makes for a less cluttered layout and more relaxing read.
Photography is excellent as expected with those names on the credits. Re the HDR, the only one that I found too overcooked was the one on p52.
The mono pics were great. Mono can bring out so much more detail and mood in an image. I don't recall seeing too many in these type of mag before.
I liked the the fonts (especially the large titles - almost a country gothic feel to it?), but some pages seemed a little too mixed & matched with different fonts (eg p55)
$12 is not cheap, but if it is a quality read with less ads, and fully made here, then I reckon I can have a beer or two less each month to make up the difference. Well done.
Less food i could understand BUT BEER :'( :'(
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Less food i could understand BUT BEER :'( :'(
Good point. Veges are expensive. I'll sacrifice some broccoli & cauliflower instead! ;D
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I know 12 bucks is a lot but as it a quarterly Mag the effort being put into it is worth it. I'd rather a mag every 3 Months that all new than a Monthly that's re-hashed
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I know 12 bucks is a lot but as it a quarterly Mag the effort being put into it is worth it. I'd rather a mag every 3 Months that all new than a Monthly that's re-hashed
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I know 12 bucks is a lot but as it a quarterly Mag the effort being put into it is worth it. I'd rather a mag every 3 Months that all new than a Monthly that's re-hashed
Agree, would probably pay more for a good quarterly, but to me fancy headings taking up a lot of room are not worth paying any extra for. I wish there was a mag with a format like National Geographic with the pics and stories out of Pats mag just more of.
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Burnsy the shelf price is 12 bucks ....
Cheers Chippy :D
$12 ??? This is ground breaking.
Picked one up this arvo, my newsagent must have thought $12 was a bit rich. All priced with a tag gun at $8.95. I have read through about a quarter of it and ther articles are good, the advertising is less than others and I like the format. I would not call it a coffee table mag though. To hit that market, I reckon it needs heavier paper and more articles based on locations, their history and story, not just them as a camping location. As someone previous to me stated, a bit more of a national geographic feel would do it. I do like the white space throughout the mag although it is a compomise where you get less content for more white space.
I would buy it again at $8.95 but probably not $12. Yes it is far better quality than the other mob of batters but don't base your pricing on theirs, they are taking the piss. They are a $4.95 magazine and that is why they have extensive telly marketing offering free chinese swags and highlifts with a subscription.
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Picked one up this arvo, my newsagent must have thought $12 was a bit rich. All priced with a tag gun at $8.95. I have read through about a quarter of it and ther articles are good, the advertising is less than others and I like the format. I would not call it a coffee table mag though. To hit that market, I reckon it needs heavier paper and more articles based on locations, their history and story, not just them as a camping location. As someone previous to me stated, a bit more of a national geographic feel would do it. I do like the white space throughout the mag although it is a compomise where you get less content for more white space.
I would buy it again at $8.95 but probably not $12. Yes it is far better quality than the other mob of batters but don't base your pricing on theirs, they are taking the piss. They are a $4.95 magazine and that is why they have extensive telly marketing offering free chinese swags and highlifts with a subscription.
Wow, tough audience ;D
'Coffee table magazine' is relative... most of them are made for a market other than Australia, i.e. massively higher circulation. We - the 4WD adventure market - are a tiny portion of the population here, and an even smaller portion of us buys magazines. Perceptions and expectations may need to be adjusted...
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I know 12 bucks is a lot but as it a quarterly Mag the effort being put into it is worth it. I'd rather a mag every 3 Months that all new than a Monthly that's re-hashed
Agree with Steve on this. I am more than happy to pay a premium for a quality quarterly mag. One of my other interests is hotrods and used to buy 2 or 3 mags a month, now I only purchase 1 "mag" and it is a quarterly that I happily pay $25 for. I am more than happy paying this much as it really is a quality mag - way more like a coffee table book than magazine.
I haven't read the mag in its entirety yet, but from what I have read and flicking through it I think that this mag is a quality production.
Pat, keep up the good work and if you want to check out what I believe to be the benchmark in magazine quality for articles, photography etc. have a look at "The Rodders Journal". (PM me if you're unable to find it at a Newsagent in your neck of the woods and we can work something out.) I have always thought that if I was to produce my own magazine that the quality to be aiming for would be that of "The Rodders Journal".
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I would buy it again at $8.95 but probably not $12.
I'd say $12 a 1/4 is fair if its quality. genuinely much better than $9-10/mth for rubbish binny stuff.
but don't base your pricing on theirs, they are taking the piss. They are a $4.95 magazine and that is why they have extensive telly marketing offering free chinese swags and highlifts with a subscription.
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Read a bit more of it and have decided that as those above have said on a quarterly basis I would probably pay $12. Any idea why my newsagent is selling them at $8.95 though?
Still think some more ifo on people and places from a history prespective is always a good read and would be a worthwhile inclusion within trip reports.
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Any idea why my newsagent is selling them at $8.95 though?
Still think some more ifo on people and places from a history prespective is always a good read and would be a worthwhile inclusion within trip reports.
$8.95 ? because his short of friends ..... because his nice ...... because he wanted you to post it on here to p!ss us that payed $ 12.00 off ???
I to would like to see more info on the destinations. Would be nice if a mag would do some regulars on things like remote fishing destinations or fossicing and prospecting maybe one trip per mag, for a couple of issue's and then move to the next topic. Then returning at a later issue to more trips on the earlier topics. Trips like remote Barra fishing or High country trout fishing, prospecting in differant states rather than just a destination for a road trip.
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$8.95 ? because his short of friends ..... because his nice ...... because he wanted you to post it on here to p!ss us that payed $ 12.00 off ???
I to would like to see more info on the destinations. Would be nice if a mag would do some regulars on things like remote fishing destinations or fossicing and prospecting maybe one trip per mag, for a couple of issue's and then move to the next topic. Then returning at a later issue to more trips on the earlier topics. Trips like remote Barra fishing or High country trout fishing, prospecting in differant states rather than just a destination for a road trip.
wouldnt you get that from a fishing magazine?
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wouldnt you get that from a fishing magazine?
Most of those dedicated mags do very little on the trip side of things, and focus to much on the one topic. Left A and arrived at B heres the fishing and some more fishing, there's a lot of people out there into camping and touring that do a lot more than just a drive like Geocaching.
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Most of those dedicated mags do very little on the trip side of things, and focus to much on the one topic. Left A and arrived at B heres the fishing and some more fishing, there's a lot of people out there into camping and touring that do a lot more than just a drive like Geocaching.
I missed the ;D + ;) on last post
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Finally finished reading Issue 1. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Great photos, good articles. Advert content better than a lot of other magazines I see.
Got permission from SWMBO and have subscribed for the next 10 issues.
Thanks Pat for a good read.
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Got permission from SWMBO and have subscribed for the next 10 issues.
Good to see you are the boss of your relationship.
I'm the boss of our relationship and I have SWMBO's permission to say it.
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Been keeping an eye on the feedback, and all pretty well balanced IMHO. Except perhaps the price arguments! When I was building the mag, I factored in hiring the best talent (photographers, journo's and designers), using sustainable paper sources, heavier paper plus of course printing the magazine in Australia. Most 4WD magazines these days are printed in China. Put simply, quality costs money. The same reason that not everyone rides around in Great Wall utes.
Plus, I figured if you can't afford $11.95 for a magazine, then you probably can't afford to stick a tank of diesel in your rig either.
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Been keeping an eye on the feedback, and all pretty well balanced IMHO. Except perhaps the price arguments! When I was building the mag, I factored in hiring the best talent (photographers, journo's and designers), using sustainable paper sources, heavier paper plus of course printing the magazine in Australia. Most 4WD magazines these days are printed in China. Put simply, quality costs money. The same reason that not everyone rides around in Great Wall utes.
Plus, I figured if you can't afford $11.95 for a magazine, then you probably can't afford to stick a tank of diesel in your rig either.
Hoping to get a gift subscription for xmas. $10 an issue plus the extras seemed ok to me. Hope SWMBO agrees.
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I know I should buy the magazines, but I prefer to watch the TV episodes.
Unfortunately I missed last weeks. :-[
I wish I could just go to Mr4x4 web site and watch old episodes. 8)
Please Pat, perhaps similar to other TV series, past episodes able to be watched, even for a limited time. ;)
Kevin
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Last weekend's was not on due to Golf/MasterChef/X Factor or whatever the reason is to cancel good programs and put on rubbish!
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Bought the mag and it looks good. Only scanned through when having a coffee. Thank god theres not a red or green old Toyota anywhere.
Checked out the website. Think I would lose the 'Mr4x4 tag'. Seems a bit try hard unless he's secretly Len Beadell reborn :D
Best of luck.
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getting a subscription for chrissie, liked the real content and not every page is an ad format.
and unlike the show do not need to hear your voice pat telling me the engwaenissanarbtjm thingy is the ducks nuts. :laugh:
just joking, the show is a good watch too. :cheers:
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Read the magazine last week Pat and thoroughly enjoyed it. I noted that you said to you wouldn't want to tow anything up Blue Rag so best to leave it at the bottom carpark. Your probably right but these 2 fellow swaggers showed it was possible http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=10930.msg163488#msg163488 (http://myswag.org/forum/index.php?topic=10930.msg163488#msg163488)
Look forward to the next issue :cheers:
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Think I would lose the 'Mr4x4 tag'
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Just picked up my copy this arvo. Went straight past the "mag in a bag with DVD", got home and settled in with a cold one for a quiet read. Was forced to put it down to eat dinner. I reckon its great. This mag and the latest tv series are top notch. The photograghy/camera work on both are just stunning. The articles are a great read and well written. A quality mag that embraces the touring 4wd'er and all that goes with it.
I may only be new here, but, regardless of your opinion on Pat's work, who can honestly say that after watching an ep of the show or reading the mag, they didn't have a huge urge to just get out there...I know i did.
Congrats Pat. Keep em coming. :cup:
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Is this mag only new cos I have never seen it anywhere
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Number one collectors edition came out about three weeks ago.
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Number one collectors edition came out about three weeks ago.
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So was that the first mag
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yep quarterly, high quality, glossy (Aust Geographic style).
Good read.
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Is this mag only new cos I have never seen it anywhere
Stil waitin for mine too :(
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Thot you were gettin a freeby!
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Thot you were gettin a freeby!
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I have not been able to find a copy yet, maybe they have all sold out :'(
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I have not been able to find a copy yet, maybe they have all sold out :'(
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Plenty at my Newsagent ;D, Sorry Pat :-*
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yep quarterly, high quality, glossy (Aust Geographic style).
Good read.
Unfortunately Aust Geographic seems to be going the other direction. A lot more advertising then it use to.
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Unfortunately Aust Geographic seems to be going the other direction. A lot more advertising then it use to.
Agreed, I let my subscription lapse. Tried to cover too many bases IMO.
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Bit dissapointed Pat.
Bought Issue one of the magazine, liked it, subscribed for 10 issues.
Last week, got my DVD's and key thing. Very happy.
Yesterday get a copy of Issue 1 in the mail. Not very happy. Especially if that's counted as 1 of my 10. I already have it. Do the mailers not think that we may have got issue 1 and that's why we subscribed. Now i have 2 copies of Issue 1 and it's too expensive to post to "Lost" or return and I've wasted $12.
Wonder how many others will get the same.
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Picked up the mag on our way to the "Tight Lines" trip on Friday. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on which way you look at it) I didn't even get to flick through it because we were having too much fun. Starting reading it yesterday and the first thing I noticed was the fact that I was actually reading it, not just flicking pages like I do when I buy those other mags. Forced myself to put it down because I needed to do other stuff and when I went to find it again it's disappeared!! I think Scott snavelled it to take back to work, the bugger!!!
I must say it is a nice magazine visually and I can see it becoming a regular buy if not a subscription. As long as you don't cover the same destinations over and over again like the others and the standard stays as high as Issue 1.
Besides I am obligated to support a fellow bunnies supporter!!
Congrats Pat :D
:cheers: Glenyse
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Besides I am obligated to support a fellow bunnies supporter!!
Part of the reason I support him too ... lol
Go the bunnies!
Cheers Chippy :D
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On hols up in central qld. Got it up here the other day. Great mag! Read pats editorial to start and was fist pumping the air by the end. Agree 100% with everything he said. Same goes for the glover article about the gas hub in the kimberley, fantastic work. Finally a non redneck 4wd mag! I am getting a subscription for Christmas.
Only criticism is the crazy fonts Everywhere. Didn't like that. Otherwise awesome. And happy to pay $ 12. want in a mag More locations to visit and history etc. Less gear reviews. More travel writing and opinion peices .
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Only criticism is the crazy fonts Everywhere. Didn't like that.
Crazy Fonts are apparently being reviewed for next edition!
:cheers:
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Crazy Fonts are apparently being reviewed for next edition!
:cheers:
Great news, KISS!
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Im gunna put my head out there and say .... I like the fonts ........ better than all those "other" mags ....
Cheers Chippy :D
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Just got the issue in the post cheers Pat :cup: is defiantly a coffee table mag.
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Im gunna put my head out there and say .... I like the fonts ........ better than all those "other" mags ....
Cheers Chippy :D
x2 Chippy. I think they give the mag a bit of sophistication :cup:
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i really enjoyed the beyond hotham bit it was a really good read i'll def be in for the second edition but it has to keep livin up to it