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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: HerGU on August 28, 2011, 11:10:05 PM
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Hi all,
Just wondering what other people's thoughts are on some "old fashioned values"?
My partner and i went to the movies tonight and then to dinner at a pub/resturant. Two things we found unacceptable (well we stilll think are unacceptable) tonight,
1. The fact that a bunch of teenage kids were talking throughout the movie we went to, even after another lady kindly went up to them twice and quietly asked them to stop talking. (I had to restrain my partner from saying what he really thought to them).
2. After the movie we went to dinner at a pub with a resturant attached and 2 guys walked in, 1 wearing a hoodie, and the other wearing a cap. They both sat down with another couple for dinner, with their head wear on the entire time.
Now we are only 25 yrs old but we both were taught to remove your headwear when inside (especially when at a resturant), and you do not interupt a movie. If you want to talk with your friends, go outside and play the pinball machines if you're not interested in it.
What are your thoughts?
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I'm suprised people still go to the movies... There was a bloke on radio last week who reviewed movies. and some old bloke called in and asked 'where are the cinemas you can go where food, phones, and talking are banned'... he got a bit of support from some people, but most said get over it as they liked their $20 choc top, and $20 popcorn, and $15 thimble of Coke Syrup.
If the joint wasnt full, I'd just move.. no matter if I had seat A5 or Z99..
As for the hats/hoodies theres bigger issues to worry bout these days than that.. wouldnt bother me at all
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im with you as far as the movies go
as for the hat - meh - why do you HAVE to take your hat off when you eat? is it going to cause a rift in the space-time continuum that will eventually lead to global thermonuclear war? or is it some old fashioned thing that nobody actually remembers why people do it - they just do it because those who came before them did it and they did it because those who came before them did it etc etc.
as long as you dont bother others who cares - its a brave new world - as for the turds in the movies who gob off - empty a bucket of cold sick on them.
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I'm with you HerGU, hats come off inside or when eating. Talking in the movies is not on, I probably wouldn't have asked them politely though.
:cheers: Cracka
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Of course you do not eat with headgear on. It's simple manners, which have disappeared from this nation and the vile, petulant little "gimmee, gimmee, I want it NOW" generation have never been taught any. Only bogans wear hoodies, a garment which reflects their lower class and even lower intelligence.
One of the many things such types fail to understand is that modern mobile phones are sophisticated electronic devices on which you can have a conversation in a low voice. You do not, as they seem to think, have to shout.
Manners rule, OK?
Tony
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Hi I agree with you Her GU, maybe you should of let your partner have a word with them, I know I have done it before and well most of the time it works the rest of the time they might get a bit louder and then the movie people come in and kick them out :). As for hats inside, my grandpa would kick my ass if I wore my hat inside just respect really. Walk in to most old school pubs with a hat on and well you know the rules, you got to shout a round at the pub, it almost happened to me at the golf course. It is all about common curtice, not many younger people have it now days.
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2. After the movie we went to dinner at a pub with a resturant attached and 2 guys walked in, 1 wearing a hoodie, and the other wearing a cap. They both sat down with another couple for dinner, with their head wear on the entire time.
Now we are only 25 yrs old but we both were taught to remove your headwear when inside (especially when at a resturant), and you do not interupt a movie. If you want to talk with your friends, go outside and play the pinball machines if you're not interested in it.
What are your thoughts?
Go to Tamworth or anywhere where there are country and western wannaby's or any country pub for that matter. They all wear there hats inside. I wouldnt, but people still make out country people still have old fashion values. Strange
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Saw a classic at movie a few years ago. Someones mobile started to ring. Ok, they forgot to turn it off and you expect them to quickly turn it off in embarashment - NO, they answered it to which everyone else gave a moan or comment to the unfavourable. After about 30 seconds of this clown chatting about nothing to their mate, an old bloke got up, walked over grabbed the phone and chucked it out the front. To which the place errupted in applause. This clown didn't go get their phone until after the movie was done and everyone had left.
best movie ever!
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You go to ANY RSL club and they will not serve you with a hat on. I respect this rule and simply follow this at any establishment.
Hats are for out side, thats where the sun is!! It probably comes down to how you were raised. Not saying that if you wear hats in side that you haven't had the proper upbringing it is what is simply passed down through the generations.
As for the chatterboxes in the movies, give one warning then out after that. You pay good money to watch these things and after an enjoyable night out which you don't want ruined by people talking over the top.
Mark
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Hi all,
Just wondering what other people's thoughts are on some "old fashioned values"?
My partner and i went to the movies tonight and then to dinner at a pub/resturant. Two things we found unacceptable (well we stilll think are unacceptable) tonight,
1. The fact that a bunch of teenage kids were talking throughout the movie we went to, even after another lady kindly went up to them twice and quietly asked them to stop talking. (I had to restrain my partner from saying what he really thought to them).
2. After the movie we went to dinner at a pub with a resturant attached and 2 guys walked in, 1 wearing a hoodie, and the other wearing a cap. They both sat down with another couple for dinner, with their head wear on the entire time.
Now we are only 25 yrs old but we both were taught to remove your headwear when inside (especially when at a resturant), and you do not interupt a movie. If you want to talk with your friends, go outside and play the pinball machines if you're not interested in it.
What are your thoughts?
HerGu, I agree with all your comments. unacceptable.
Another things that erks me, is the lack of manners in people, a simple, thank you, excuse me or sorry would be nice. But very little people have the consideration of others.
Also, after people finish eating in a food court, park or elsewhere, they leave their rubbish behind for others to clean up. Again they have no respect/consideration for others.
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Agree.
Mrs T & I attended a drought relief concert in Birdsville in June '08, given by Graeme Connors. We were ASTOUNDED at the amount of chatter during his stories - IMHO he doesn't sing songs, he sings stories.
Between songs I said to the chatterboxes in the row behind us, "he's rude isn't he, if you like I'll ask him to stop singing so you can finish your conversation". They took umbrage at my comment and left - thankfully.
During intemission Mrs T spoke with the local coppers and asked them for some crowd control. Post intermission, the local publican took the stage and asked the crowd to show Connors some old fashioned country respect and consideration. The second half of the show was far more enjoyable.
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I agree with what has been said, no hats at the table, no talking at the movies......and no swearing in front of mother or kids! 8)
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Agree re talking in the cinema. Nothing more annoying!
Re hats inside I think there's more important things to worry about. It might not be technically all that polite but it doesnt hurt anyone so why worry about it.
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Yeah that's crap. The hat thing is just poor manners.
I used to tell people to pull their head in however, I had a knife drawn on me when I was on a train about 8 years ago now when I intervened in some kids damaging a train, I was very lucky with only minor injuries. I have since decided I can only control what's in my space... Don't be a hero, in this day and age it's not worth it.
Just ignore them and enjoy yourself.
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Agree on both counts, they may be only small things however all these small things add up to why there is no respect from young people today.
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Yeah that's crap. The hat thing is just poor manners.
I used to tell people to pull their head in however, I had a knife drawn on me when I was on a train about 8 years ago now when I intervened in some kids damaging a train, I was very lucky with only minor injuries. I have since decided I can only control what's in my space... Don't be a hero, in this day and age it's not worth it.
Just ignore them and enjoy yourself.
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Good points HerGU, I agree wholeheartedly.
Even more importantly, I believe that if you think there are more important things to "worry" about, then you are part of the problem. It all boils down to the fact that if you don't police the little "politeness rules", then you are probably lax with policing the more important "laws" and the hoodie and hat wearing crew think they can get away with more and more. Society then has to suffer their bad manners and rudeness.
I don't tolerate it and I am probbaly considered a grumpy old bugger, I am fine with that.
Bring back the cane and other disciplinary measures I say.
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Only bogans wear hoodies, a garment which reflects their lower class and even lower intelligence.
Hey Olddigger,
You need to change your name to something more appropriate like "OldBigot"
I own a hoddie and I am neither a bogan or of the lower class and I am considered to be extremely intelligent and almost clever enough to ignore your post.
Richard
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Hi agree with HerGU and Draggin........politness and being considerate have gone out the window. If their mothers and fathers gave them a smack once and a while instead of being relaxed then maybe we would not have these types of behaviour in our society.
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Bring back the cane and other disciplinary measures I say.
X2
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Sad part about growing up today, for a lot of reasons (excuses) a lot of kids just are not taught the basics, like respect or etiquette, as they grow up. We also seem to have a generation or more, that have grown up and developed their own rules and unfortunately the rest of society is expected to accept it.
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One thing I don't understand all that well is how this has occurred. Kids without basics? It seems to be the common theme mentioned and easily dismissible.
Our friends and families that have kids have been taught right from wrong, and appear to be respectful to their peers. So where do these kids come from? The good part of town, the bad part of town - these things haven't changed with time.
Sure we see these issues occasionally, as we all do; parents yelling obscenities at their young which I don't feel appropriate (etc.) but what do we feel with time has changed?
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Good points HerGU, I agree wholeheartedly.
Even more importantly, I believe that if you think there are more important things to "worry" about, then you are part of the problem. It all boils down to the fact that if you don't police the little "politeness rules", then you are probably lax with policing the more important "laws" and the hoodie and hat wearing crew think they can get away with more and more. Society then has to suffer their bad manners and rudeness.
Pretty long bow to draw that just because some people don't take offence to someone wearing a hat in a restaurant that they are promoting hooliganism and law breaking.
I wholeheartedly agree with teaching manners and respect to children but I'm not going to let some bloke wearing a hat 3 tables over ruin my night out.
Must remember to shine my shoes, tuck my shirt in, part my hair to the left and only speak when spoken to at the next MySwag get together :cheers:
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Dan you only need to ride a bus/train, stand in a queue, drive down the street or look around you to see the state of decay young society is in.
When I was kid, I was taught to give up my seat on bus/train to an older person, wait in line and not push in, don't do burn outs or destroy other people's property such as egging a house, not graffiti/tag everything I see, respect authority such as police officers etc. If I didn't, consequences were a smack or strap or other privileges removed.
These kids come from all walks of life.
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Dan you only need to ride a bus/train, stand in a queue, drive down the street or look around you to see the state of decay young society is in.
When I was kid, I was taught to give up my seat on bus/train to an older person, wait in line and not push in, don't do burn outs or destroy other people's property such as egging a house, not graffiti/tag everything I see, respect authority such as police officers etc. If I didn't, consequences were a smack or strap or other privileges removed.
These kids come from all walks of life.
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One thing I don't understand all that well is how this has occurred. Kids without basics? It seems to be the common theme mentioned and easily dismissible.
Our friends and families that have kids have been taught right from wrong, and appear to be respectful to their peers. So where do these kids come from? The good part of town, the bad part of town - these things haven't changed with time.
Sure we see these issues occasionally, as we all do; parents yelling obscenities at their young which I don't feel appropriate (etc.) but what do we feel with time has changed?
In answer to this I will give a very broad stereo typical answer.
With the introduction of the Child Protection Policy, the message was sent loud and clear to the kids, unfortunately it was the wrong message that was too strongly delivered to the kids through the Schools, that no one was allowed to touch them, chastise them. with the fear of having their children taken away from them, parents stopped chastising their. How many parents smack their children?
A lot of parents believe there is nothing they can do to chastise their child. Every parent still has the right to lawfully chastise their child. They are not allowed to abuse or neglect their child.
As a result some parents still play an active part in chastising their child but unfortunately the majority just let the child do as it pleases and thus we have a generation that is now having it's own children that have never been taught (in the home) how to be respectful or how to behave in the broader community. They have set their own level of socially accepted behaviour. Now it is the rest of the community that has the problem and has to deal with it.
Very broad statement I know but I base it on my own experience of dealing with this situation at work, day in day out
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The phrase or proverb, 'It takes a Village to raise a Child' should still apply today.
Unfortunately today's village, or community is not what it used to be and is itself very fractured causing big gaps for the child to fall through.
It may be fantasy land stuff but it seems to apply http://www.justpeace.org/village.htm
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In answer to this I will give a very broad stereo typical answer.
With the introduction of the Child Protection Policy, the message was sent loud and clear to the kids, unfortunately it was the wrong message that was too strongly delivered to the kids through the Schools, that no one was allowed to touch them, chastise them. with the fear of having their children taken away from them, parents stopped chastising their. How many parents smack their children?
A lot of parents believe there is nothing they can do to chastise their child. Every parent still has the right to lawfully chastise their child. They are not allowed to abuse or neglect their child.
As a result some parents still play an active part in chastising their child but unfortunately the majority just let the child do as it pleases and thus we have a generation that is now having it's own children that have never been taught (in the home) how to be respectful or how to behave in the broader community. They have set their own level of socially accepted behaviour. Now it is the rest of the community that has the problem and has to deal with it.
Very broad statement I know but I base it on my own experience of dealing with this situation at work, day in day out
I totally agree with this, add in the problems that come with separated perants and you've got a pretty good snap shot of modern Australia.
Isn't there some way the Government can Tax this problem ? That'd fix it.
Take your hat off in a pub, good luck finding that when it's time to leave.
Here good sir, mind putting that on your hat stand please.
This day and age you can try as you will to lead your child the right way, but the odds are staked against you. Your children by them self are fine, it's the one's they go to school with down the road that make it so boring and mundane to do the right thing.
Children. There all victim's just ask them.
I'd like to revisit this thread in ten to fifteen years.
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Im 28, so Im not old, but I believe in a few simple things.
1. Blokes should hold the door open for a women when entering/exiting a building
2. Take your hat off at the dinner table, inside the house pub or whatever is ok but when you sit at a table take it off.
3. Dont talk during movies
4. Dont smoke near people who dont smoke
5. Stand up and offer your seat if a woman needs to sit down
6. Dont answer your mobile phone if someone is talking to you and dont talk on the phone if your being served at a cash register etc
7. Use table manners, dont chew with your mouth open (that really gets me)
I suppose I could go on, but to me its just common courtesy. Its a shame more poeple dont have it
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Of course you do not eat with headgear on. It's simple manners, which have disappeared from this nation and the vile, petulant little "gimmee, gimmee, I want it NOW" generation have never been taught any. Only bogans wear hoodies, a garment which reflects their lower class and even lower intelligence.
One of the many things such types fail to understand is that modern mobile phones are sophisticated electronic devices on which you can have a conversation in a low voice. You do not, as they seem to think, have to shout.
Manners rule, OK?
Tony
Im certainly not a bogan and I would rate myself quite intellegent, yet I wear a hoodie, particularly when camping. ??? Not generalising much are we ?
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Im certainly not a bogan and I would rate myself quite intellegent, yet I wear a hoodie, particularly when camping. ??? Not generalising much are we ?
x2, I have one on at the moment.
Hoodies are nothing new I have had them for years.
Cheers
Rich
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What is the general concensus of a bogan?
I think I'm an educated one, though I don't fashion myself to like VB.
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x2, I have one on at the moment.
Hoodies are nothing new I have had them for years.
Cheers
Rich
Nothing wrong with wearing a hoodie, but do you wear the hood up over your head at a restaurant?
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Hats are to keep the sun or rain off your scon so you don,t need to wear one anywhere inside , Sunglasses are to protect your eyes from the suns rays so how intelligent are the lot who insist on wearing them an night !! Yeah I know there is the odd one or 3 who need to protect their eyes after surgery and or medical conditions but wtf every wannabe rock an roller needs shades ??
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Hats are to keep the sun or rain off your scon so you don,t need to wear one anywhere inside , Sunglasses are to protect your eyes from the suns rays so how intelligent are the lot who insist on wearing them an night !! Yeah I know there is the odd one or 3 who need to protect their eyes after surgery and or medical conditions but wtf every wannabe rock an roller needs shades ??
I know what your saying. All these country bumkins with there big cowboy hats on inside and at night...
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Hoodies are o.k as are hats, it's all time and place I guess. I often wonder why I see young blokes walking around at night in shorts , wearing a hoodie top pulled half over their face. I get concerned when their used to conceal indentities. Hats on whilst eating, not in our place :cheers:
Disco.
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Nothing wrong with wearing a hoodie, but do you wear the hood up over your head at a restaurant?
Ummm no, Going back to Old Diggers post Hoodies are for Bogans, Thats very General.
I also wear a cap.
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Unacceptable............ not modelling appropriate behaviours in front of children, especially swearing.
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This seems timely for the discussion here...
Article in today's Herald Sun - Parents need new skills to maintain discipline (http://www.news.com.au/national/parents-fail-to-discipline-without-smacking/story-e6frfkvr-1226124323605?from=igoogle+gadget+compact+news_rss)
Cheers, Sam.
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Unfortunately today's village, or community is not what it used to be and is itself very fractured causing big gaps for the child to fall through.
This really resonates with me. You would not believe how many people, be they my regular customers or those who know me as a swimming coach, get me time and again to help with the discipline of their children.
Apparently, one of my fierce looks will freeze a kid in their tracks and one word from me will have them as a blubbering mess. This week alone I think I have had two kids in tears...and all I was doing was asking them to refrain from putting their hands all over the glass cake cabinets!!
On a more serious note...I have had parents ask me to discipline their kids at swimming but I don't believe that that is my role as a coach. Discipline comes from the parents. I do agree that the child protection policy has really stopped people from being disciplined with their kids. I mean, seriously, how much sugar does your kid need to eat before you take the sugar bowl away!?! Actually, theres a thought. Perhaps I shall now suggest to those neglectful parents who are letting their kids destroy our sugar sachets that they in fact are the ones being neglectful in their care of their kids...
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what gets me is young ladies not wearing neck to ankle clothing in the middle of summer any more - its just the height of bad manners go go out in public dressed like that - oh... hand on - its not 1865 any more - and that rule has kind of gone by the wayside hasnt it :)
what gets me is going down the beach and young women wearing these newfangled things called bikinis - how much flesh do they want to show off - poor manners - ohh hold on a minute - its not 1930 anymore
times change - and what you wear and where you wear it changes as well - some people stuggle with that i know - think of it this way: how does it actually affect you when someone wears a hat inside - how does it interfere with your enjoyment of whatever it is you are enjoying?
i wear hoodies and hats - but im very quiet at the movies.
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times change - and what you wear and where you wear it changes as well
Times may change but good manners don't
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I would agree with Duchess, she scares the gravy out of me!! As for making kids cry, that's what she calls fun ;D ;D ;D
I think the whole hat / hoodie thing can be summed up as "a time & place for everything". I bet you wouldn't walk into an RSL club with a hat on, I'll wager it wouldn't be on for long!! You would get the same sort of reception as the young fella who was at a local club run by the RSL wearing a T shirt with a big Swastika on it >:( >:( He got shifted real quick & bluntly. Still can't get my head around women & kids swearing in public especially. Just not right.... :cheers:
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Times may change but good manners don't
so i assume if i see you at the beach in anything less than neck to toe bathers you will give yourself a jolly good talking to shall i :)
(http://image.become.com/imageserver/s0/1000242170-150-150-5-32/old-fashioned-bathing-suit-male-red-and-white-men-medium.jpg)
what constitutes good manners does indeed change over time - and it does change depending on the society you are bought up in - for me to walk up to a mate ive known for years but havnt seen for a while and to say -" hey fred - long time no see what are you up to you old bastard" is not something we would think much of
say that to a pom 70 years ago and you would want to be able to fight - say it to an upper class englishman 250 years ago and you would be calling for a second and fighting with pistols/ swords/ fighting irons or the like - and you would be fighting for your life.
it was once bad manners for a lady to speak when men were talking about politics
there are a lot of things that were once considered bad manners that have gone by the by - the things that continue to be bad manners are those that affect the wellbeing or enjoyment of others.
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Simple respect for others, whether you know them or not, should be a school subject.
I am constantly astounded at the lack of respect SOME kids and adults have for others. You cant teach a child the meaning of respect if you dont have it for yourself.
Many dont. :-[
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Simple respect for others, whether you know them or not, should be a school subject.
I am constantly astounded at the lack of respect SOME kids and adults have for others. You cant teach a child the meaning of respect if you dont have it for yourself.
Many dont. :-[
Unfortunately kids rights are a school subject. The responsibilities that go with the rights are forgotten.
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Are you a 'Bogan' ??
http://www.bogan.com.au/definition/index.php
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I'm not going to say anything in particular is right or wrong ... but I am over that first life hurdle age wise. People do need to understand that they aren't the only ones living on this planet and calling it home. Whether you've had a bad upbringing or not, whether you were born with the silver spoon or not, whether your parents were separated or not, whether you choice is a hat a hoodie or a fruit bowl up there... I don't think it really matters.
How you chose to live your life and how you chose to treat others is your responsibility and reflects how your view your world and whether it owes you something or not (which it doesn't by the way ... but that's just my opinion).
I was given certain values as a child which I still uphold to this day. The most important of which was: everyone deserves at least one or two chances to prove they are worthy of your friendship and loyalty, before you can tell them to shove it up their clacker ;D. No hats inside, don't rely on other people to do things for you, respect your elders (that's anyone that is older than you), don't swear at your mother in anger and especially not your grandparents (or really anyones if it comes to that), always say please and thankyou and excuse me, you can burp in front of your parents but not anyone else, when you are told to be quiet by your parents then do it, listen even when you aren't interested, if you can't say anything nice then say nothing, never leave a stranger with a bad impression of you ... which is my personal favourite. There were heaps more, but those are the common courtesy ones that always come to mind when I'm living my life.
It's not really all that hard ... sort of like: keep to the left, stop at the red lights, don't go over the speed limit, make sure it's got heaps of petrol and good tyres!
Everything in life comes with rules ... abiding by them is the hardest thing you'll ever have to do, because the rest is fairly easy.
Kit_e
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I'm with you Kit_e!!!!!!! :cup:
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Simple stuff
1. Use common sense
2. Respect others
3. Be good to your parents
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everybody is deriding the young here and to a degree I think a lot of kids deserve it, But there is disrespect in all age groups today. Its not only the hoodie wearing 18yo (just a joke OK) who now has no respect for anyone. Perhaps it's the pace society moves at. How many of us got cut off at the lights today so someone far more important than us could be first in the line?
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Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony
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Seems to me that many parents believe it is "someone else" responsibility to teach kids respect, manners or whatever other name you wish to put on it.
Yet for some reason it is generally these same parents who seem to get very upset when someone else actually does this.
While it is very easy to blame society the fact is that it takes 2 to tango but after the dance it is far easier to assign responsibility back to society than take it. Far to easy to say it is all too hard, the teachers, school, government should do something about it.
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Attended a wedding last year where one of the guests wore elastic waisted trousers and sandals with socks.
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Attended a wedding last year where one of the guests wore elastic waisted trousers and sandals with socks.
I think that might of been my Grandpa!!!! ;D
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Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony
depends on the pub really - horses for courses
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I interviewed a 19yr old the other day he came to the interview well dressed and caught a buss so I gave him the job you just don't see that anymore I was impressed
George
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I can agree and disagree with the posts I have read up to here.
My vote goes to kranky al posts (both)
I also wear hoodies and I,m 52 (if age is a matter as well here) but ma would give me a severe backhander if I wore a hat inside.
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Some possible thoughts regarding our errant youth (or their parents if you prefer):
at the risk of seeming radical:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/index.htm
start with:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/inspire.htm
have a cheery week!
ChrisB
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Seems to me that many parents believe it is "someone else" responsibility to teach kids respect, manners or whatever other name you wish to put on it.
Yet for some reason it is generally these same parents who seem to get very upset when someone else actually does this.
I have always been a firm believer that a lot of these problems stem from home. We as parents are the biggest unfluence on our kids and if we do not install these values into them from a young age it snowballs from there. Sit back and take note of what you say and do everyday and you will realise how much you remind yourself of your Dad/Mum.
Its not always the case but the majority and there are other influences as well.
Unfortunately the saying "Sh1t breeds Sh1t' has a lot of weight.
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Go and ask you granparents about all the problems they had with youth with long hair and sideburns, They will tell you all about the lazy smart arse drug smokers... Yeah thats right , they will be talking about your parents. This isnt a new problem with youth, but neither is narrow minded head up their own a*se older generations.
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Go and ask you granparents about all the problems they had with youth with long hair and sideburns, They will tell you all about the lazy smart arse drug smokers... Yeah thats right , they will be talking about your parents. This isnt a new problem with youth, but neither is narrow minded head up their own a*se older generations.
Well said
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I wasn't going to make a comment but I can not help myself.
I'm the president of the local junior rugby league club so deal with lots of kids from all around our area here in central Quensland. I also send a fair amount of time in the canteen serving people. I would much prefer to serve the under 6's to under 18's then half the parents and grand parents. Dont try to run this line that kids today have no manners then completely disregard the rude "old" people in our society because it suits your arguement. Yes some of the kids have bad manners but they are being raised by the same parents and grand parents that come from this golden era when everyone was nice to each other. Yes have issues with the bad kids but don't let the parents and grand parents off the hook.
Just one story. An elderly gentleman walked up to the canteen and while looking into the warming oven said "A hamburger and can of coke" to which I replyed "What was that sorry". "A hamburger and can of coke" he replied. Being the person I am I said "Whats the magic word". He then tried to give me the "I'm the big man here, your the canteen boy, so just serve me" look, when a little girl beside him said "it's please". I burst out laughing and the bloke turned and walked off in a huff.
Yes, most people have respect and some don't but don't try to run this line that somehow once your over 18 your a nice person. I've camped beside enough grey nomads to know they can be as obnoxous as a screeming kid and leave as much mess behind as a young family.
I also live close to a country pub and most of the people in the pub wear their hats or caps while inside or outside the pub. They are all ages and are mostly great people. They are happy and friendly and talk freely to complete strangers. They are members of the local bush fire brigade, are trained in using our defibulator incase they have to save someones life and are always helping others out around the district. It is completely your right to see someone wearing a hat while indoors and make a judgement on there charactor but it is also my right to defend them. You have no idea what that person does or has done for the rest of their life, who they have supported in their time of need or how they have added to a community. Instead you turn your head, see a hat and think "What a wanker".
Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion but before you form an opinion just stop and think how you would feel if everyone loooked at you with your shirt tucked in and straight away thought you were a cranky old man or women and they better not talk to you. What a sad world that would be.
farmer6
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uncanny - flicking through a few online newspapers today and get this advice from a marine heading to civvy street
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/29/defense_budget_implosion_vii_kiss_those_retirement_bennies_goodbye
3. Style:
-Do not put creases in your jeans.
-Do not put creases on the front of your dress shirts.
-A horseshoe cut looks dumb, not motivating.
-A high and tight looks really dumb.
-So does a low reg, but not as bad.
-A hat indoors does not make you a bad person, it makes you like the rest
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-you do not have to wear a belt ALL the time.
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I wasn't going to make a comment but I can not help myself.
I'm the president of the local junior rugby league club so deal with lots of kids from all around our area here in central Quensland. I also send a fair amount of time in the canteen serving people. I would much prefer to serve the under 6's to under 18's then half the parents and grand parents. Dont try to run this line that kids today have no manners then completely disregard the rude "old" people in our society because it suits your arguement. Yes some of the kids have bad manners but they are being raised by the same parents and grand parents that come from this golden era when everyone was nice to each other. Yes have issues with the bad kids but don't let the parents and grand parents off the hook.
Just one story. An elderly gentleman walked up to the canteen and while looking into the warming oven said "A hamburger and can of coke" to which I replyed "What was that sorry". "A hamburger and can of coke" he replied. Being the person I am I said "Whats the magic word". He then tried to give me the "I'm the big man here, your the canteen boy, so just serve me" look, when a little girl beside him said "it's please". I burst out laughing and the bloke turned and walked off in a huff.
Yes, most people have respect and some don't but don't try to run this line that somehow once your over 18 your a nice person. I've camped beside enough grey nomads to know they can be as obnoxous as a screeming kid and leave as much mess behind as a young family.
I also live close to a country pub and most of the people in the pub wear their hats or caps while inside or outside the pub. They are all ages and are mostly great people. They are happy and friendly and talk freely to complete strangers. They are members of the local bush fire brigade, are trained in using our defibulator incase they have to save someones life and are always helping others out around the district. It is completely your right to see someone wearing a hat while indoors and make a judgement on there charactor but it is also my right to defend them. You have no idea what that person does or has done for the rest of their life, who they have supported in their time of need or how they have added to a community. Instead you turn your head, see a hat and think "What a wanker".
Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion but before you form an opinion just stop and think how you would feel if everyone loooked at you with your shirt tucked in and straight away thought you were a cranky old man or women and they better not talk to you. What a sad world that would be.
farmer6
I think this thread has morphed into a lot more than just a discussion about wearing hats inside. :D
I think farmer has summed up my opinion perfectly. Manners and common courtesy are extremely important no matter what generation you're from and should be instilled in our children as they were from our parents and grand parents.
I just don't agree that the whole hats inside argument is in the same category as all the rest. As Kranky Al has said, what's considered appropriate to wear (and when to wear it) has changed dramatically over the years so societies 'rules' need to evolve as such. There are still times and places where I think we all agree that hats aren't appropriate (mainly because they don't go with a suit and tie ;D) but a blanket ban indoors is just plain old fashioned.
Basic manners and common courtesy (please, thank you, giving your seat to elderly people, do unto others...etc) however, have not changed over the years and should be the focus of our parenting.
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I'm wearing two hoodies
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farmer
That is exactly the point im trying to make. Weather its a hoody or a cowboy hat. You cant cast aspersions about what type of person someone is just based on whats on their head..
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when you look back at the original post about wearing hoodies or hats, it refers to wearing the head dress while at a restaurant attached to a pub. Okay, maybe not a real formal restaurant requiring a formal dress code, but wearing hoodie (pulled up on your head) or hats is a different matter to wearing them at the pub or other social function. When it is cold a hoodie is a great thing to wear, but the wearing of the hood on your head I feel is a time and place thing, not a given wear it all the time thing.
I agree manners and respect, are not restricted to one generation, a bit like the hand out mentality. At times people seem to be out for there for one person, them self, and everyone else is expected to wait on them. Some people however have turned this into a real art form at times.
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Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony
No I dont, I think you are making sweeping statements based on your own predjudice. Not sure why you need to be so snarky ???
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Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony
Well there goes 99% of my wardrobe ;D
No I dont, I think you are making sweeping statements based on your own predjudice. Not sure why you need to be so snarky ???
Gotta love that word "Snarky" - some cab queue jumping night club evictee used the word on my wife when my wife told her to go to the back of the queue
Richard
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Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony
Yep thats what I wear to Bali................I do usually have a pair of thongs on with that though. I usually carry 4 boards from 5'11'' to 6'7'' so that doesnt leave much weight for clothes etc. So its usually two pairs of boardies, a couple of T Shirts and thongs, and buy what ever else I need.
Cheers :cheers:
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I'm wearing two hoodies
And sideburns?? if so, Im running away.
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Hi
Perhaps the cause of some of the problems??
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cheers
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I'm wearing two hoodies
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farmer
That is exactly the point im tryin to make. Wether its a hoody or a cowboy hat. You cant cast aspersions about what type of person someone is just based on whats on their head..
In it, now that is another matter...
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Lets expand on this for the sake of not doing anything meaningful at work......what if they were wearing a burka?................
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[quote author=HerGU link=topic=15953.msg242311#msg242311 date=1314537005
1. The fact that a bunch of teenage kids were talking throughout the movie we went to, even after another lady kindly went up to them twice and quietly asked them to stop talking. (I had to restrain my partner from saying what he really thought to them).
2. After the movie we went to dinner at a pub with a resturant attached and 2 guys walked in, 1 wearing a hoodie, and the other wearing a cap. They both sat down with another couple for dinner, with their head wear on the entire time.
What are your thoughts?
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1. Its a movie theatre. If you cant put up with it, or the partner is so out of control they cant ask nicely, then move. If you cant then tell the usher.
2. Were you effected by their dress sense? No? Move on.
Teach your children your views on life. Leave others to their own. Life is short. Be happy. Go camping :)
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Lets expand on this for the sake of not doing anything meaningful at work......what if they were wearing a burka?................
Thant's not petrol your pouring on the fire is it Nomad????
:cheers: Cracka
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farmer
That is exactly the point im tryin to make. Wether its a hoody or a cowboy hat. You cant cast aspersions about what type of person someone is just based on whats on their head..
It is like basing the type of person on whether they are folders or scrunchers
;D ;D ;D
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It is like basing the type of person on whether they are folders or scrunchers
I'd never trust a scruncher with sideburns, wearing a hoodie
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Thant's not petrol your pouring on the fire is it Nomad????
:cheers: Cracka
Me never........ :angel:
But seriously if we are this deep in discussion about hats and hoodies........what does that say about our tolerences to other cultures.
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We're just consulting for a new chapter in legislative requirements for myswag meet idiosyncrasies.
It's all good.
Next meet I am wearing three hoodies with my polo collar 'up' and a big akubra hat inside the camper, I will work on some ranga coloured side burns and I'll just wear my canvas undies and try to belch the alphabet after every sip of XXXX.
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We're just consulting for a new chapter in legislative requirements for myswag meet idiosyncrasies.
It's all good.
Next meet I am wearing three hoodies with my polo collar 'up' and a big akubra hat inside the camper, I will work on some ranga coloured side burns and I'll just wear my canvas undies and try to belch the alphabet after every sip of XXXX.
OK......well i'll grow the mullet and bring along the Brisbane Bitters shall I.....
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What about goatie beards??
... and Tatts.. you cant trust people with em these days
3 hoodies, ranga sideys, a goatie AND tatts....
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This is geting silly.
No one has mentioned those heroes who wear their baseball caps back to front.
I'd like to be like them, but I lost my baseball cap. :'(
Soooooooooo, I'm going to wear my two hoodies back to front!
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We're just consulting for a new chapter in legislative requirements for myswag meet idiosyncrasies.
It's all good.
Next meet I am wearing three hoodies with my polo collar 'up' and a big akubra hat inside the camper, I will work on some ranga coloured side burns and I'll just wear my canvas undies and try to belch the alphabet after every sip of XXXX.
I was with you all the way until you said XXXX so I guess that means your riff raff.
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I was with you all the way until you said XXXX so I guess that means your riff raff.
Haha, beat me to it by mere minutes!
X2!
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Next meet I am wearing three hoodies with my polo collar 'up' and a big akubra hat inside the camper, I will work on some ranga coloured side burns and I'll just wear my canvas undies and try to belch the alphabet after every sip of XXXX.
You just described me to a T Dan! Have me met???? Lol
:cheers: Cracka
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Good points HerGU, I agree wholeheartedly.
Even more importantly, I believe that if you think there are more important things to "worry" about, then you are part of the problem. It all boils down to the fact that if you don't police the little "politeness rules", then you are probably lax with policing the more important "laws" and the hoodie and hat wearing crew think they can get away with more and more. Society then has to suffer their bad manners and rudeness.
I don't tolerate it and I am probbaly considered a grumpy old bugger, I am fine with that.
Bring back the cane and other disciplinary measures I say.
X2 - and i am a grumpy old 25 year old male :)
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We're just consulting for a new chapter in legislative requirements for myswag meet idiosyncrasies.
It's all good.
Next meet I am wearing three hoodies with my polo collar 'up' and a big akubra hat inside the camper, I will work on some ranga coloured side burns and I'll just wear my canvas undies and try to belch the alphabet after every sip of XXXX.
You forgot white sox..
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[quote author=HerGU link=topic=15953.msg242311#msg242311 date=1314537005
1. The fact that a bunch of teenage kids were talking throughout the movie we went to, even after another lady kindly went up to them twice and quietly asked them to stop talking. (I had to restrain my partner from saying what he really thought to them).
2. After the movie we went to dinner at a pub with a resturant attached and 2 guys walked in, 1 wearing a hoodie, and the other wearing a cap. They both sat down with another couple for dinner, with their head wear on the entire time.
What are your thoughts?
1. Its a movie theatre. If you cant put up with it, or the partner is so out of control they cant ask nicely, then move. If you cant then tell the usher.
2. Were you effected by their dress sense? No? Move on.
Teach your children your views on life. Leave others to their own. Life is short. Be happy. Go camping :)
Mate i think you may have missed the point - I am Her Gu's partner.
I am not "out of control" - i think you may have taken the comment a bit to literaly
And yes i was effected by his dress sence as were others in the dinnign room - the hoddie was deliberatly worn to intimadate - even one of the wait staff mentioned it to us.
But this is not about us directly but more about what others think of the situation
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This is geting silly.
No one has mentioned those heroes who wear their baseball caps back to front.
I'd like to be like them, but I lost my baseball cap. :'(
Soooooooooo, I'm going to wear my two hoodies back to front!
What about wearing their grandfathers pants so their undies are showing skiddies?
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I think this thread has morphed into a lot more than just a discussion about wearing hats inside. :D
I think farmer has summed up my opinion perfectly. Manners and common courtesy are extremely important no matter what generation you're from and should be instilled in our children as they were from our parents and grand parents.
I just don't agree that the whole hats inside argument is in the same category as all the rest. As Kranky Al has said, what's considered appropriate to wear (and when to wear it) has changed dramatically over the years so societies 'rules' need to evolve as such. There are still times and places where I think we all agree that hats aren't appropriate (mainly because they don't go with a suit and tie ;D) but a blanket ban indoors is just plain old fashioned.
Basic manners and common courtesy (please, thank you, giving your seat to elderly people, do unto others...etc) however, have not changed over the years and should be the focus of our parenting.
Thank-you for your input. I am glad we can have this as an inteligent conversation. I understand your comment about not judging a book by its cover. I also agree that you cannot know someones history by judging what they wear. I was not saying that the bloke was a bad person, that was not my intension at all. All i was bringing up was that i thought it was rude to sit at a table and stare at people form under your hoddie. And no wearing a hoody does not make you a bad person. However talking in a movie, that does make you a bad person !!! ;D
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Nematode, anyone ?
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Mate i think you may have missed the point - I am Her Gu's partner.
I am not "out of control" - i think you may have taken the comment a bit to literaly
And yes i was effected by his dress sence as were others in the dinnign room - the hoddie was deliberatly worn to intimadate - even one of the wait staff mentioned it to us.
But this is not about us directly but more about what others think of the situation
"I had to restrain my partner from saying what her really thought to them"
This is what was written in the question so thats what I based my answer on.
I took it to mean that you were pissed and your partner told you not to say anything in case you belted one of them.
Anyway, you asked what we thought of the situation. I think if they were pissing you off then do something or else put up with it. There only kids.
Intimidated by a hoodie.....sorry I dont get it.
Anyway, as Darren says, thats me second post :)
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Wooohoooo up everyone!
I think people have taken what i have asked the wrong way. I'm NOT saying that owning a hoodie is the problem (i own a (1) hoodie too) but what i was referring to was the fact that it was up, in a resturant, at a table, whilst eating. Look, i wear a hat very regularly, but my Father and my grandfathers would kick my butt if i ever dared to sit at a table with it on.
As my partner (WelchyGQ) said earlier, these 2 guys were quite intimidating, and we had a conversation with the waiter (who i'm sure he could hold his own) as he collected our plates about it and he said he was very intimidated when these 2 guys came up to the counter to order their meals.
Personally, i believe manners are the most important lubricants of society. It is NOT hard to teach people respect, and it is even easier to use and display respect and manners in society. (As the guy from Emerald mentioned in the canteen story).
Yes certain "customs" may differ on where you were bought up, but it still does not matter how old you are or which generation you are from, manners and respect is what makes our day pleasant. Can you imagine being screamed at from behind the counter every day of your life "what the F*&k do you want?" when choosing from the sandwich counter? It works both ways. Even if you do get that response, say "please and thankyou" and i bet tomorrow the tone of voice will have changed if you do it everytime.
They say laughter is contagious, use your manners and treat people with respect - it soon becomes contagious and makes it a pleasant day.
As for the movies, I paid an annoyingly lot of money to have the "privilage" of going to the movies which does not happen very often due to the price (as most i am sure can understand). Why should i move when i got there early enough to sit where i wanted to sit, and enjoy my movie (it was Red Dog by the way - a good movie :laugh:) when others choose to be so rude. They should move or be quiet. If you want to talk, go to a cafe and have a coffee. You'll spend the same amount of money.
Chill out peoples 8)
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We live in the lucky country!
Free Speech.
In some places this conversation would be banned or subject to police intervention.
So...raising the bar.... Do you think it appropriate to stand or even be quiet during the National Anthem when played at sporting games and other occasions?
I stand proudly , as do my kids and family!
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I stand proudly and sing with HAT OFF!
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sox..
wot abowt peeple that dis the inglish langwage?
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wot abowt peeple that dis the inglish langwage?
I have started speaking speewinski
or maybe its because I'm typing on my phone while driving, wearing a hoody, long hair, a cowboy hat, sideburns, and white socks... I am everything society hates...
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Like the terorist phrase - most terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorists.
As it is with the hoodie/BB cap wearing, the thing that struck me about the footage of the London riots, most, like 90%+ were wearing hoodies or some article of clothing to cover their faces.
So my analogy is "Most ar*eholes wear hoodies/some other means of disguising their identity or intent, but not all hoodie wearers are ar*seholes."
Just those ones drinking xxxx wearing white sox and have long ranga sideburns. ;D
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Only bogans wear hoodies, a garment which reflects their lower class and even lower intelligence.
There is one guy in the office who constantly wears both a hoodie and sunglasses - inside - even in his office which is totally blacked out from sunshine and darkened, with the only light being that from computer screens. The reason is due to a medical condition involving light sensitivity.
He isn't stupid either, having a PhD in Electrical Engineering.
Broad generalisations aren't useful.
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HerGU, welchygq, you certainly have opened a can of worms ;D
I think everybody is just having fun talking about something other than camper trailers and 4wd's. It'll certainly give us something to talk about at many a MySwag meet :cheers:.
Cheers, Sam.
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White sox ?? What are they ?? Ohh you mean white SOCKS as in a covering for the feet before putting on one's shoes , white socks are much better than black socks as it is easier to tell when the socks need changing when one wears white socks rather than black , bit like with white underwear , you allways know when you've done a skiddie if your wearing white !!
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I may go out and buy a white hoody so you can see the skiddie underneath people often say i have dot sh:t for brains ;D
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Its only 10 days until i leave on my trip and I'm nearly ready
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This is geting silly.
No one has mentioned those heroes who wear their baseball caps back to front.
I'd like to be like them, but I lost my baseball cap. :'(
Soooooooooo, I'm going to wear my two hoodies back to front!
;D ;D
(http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/28437d1283521509-funny-pics-thread-sunshade.jpg)
Baz.
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Its only 10 days until i leave on my trip and I'm nearly ready
5 for us, will pack the hoodie, but wont wear it over my head while eating ;D
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Nematode, anyone ?
no thanks, Im on diet.
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wot abowt peeple that dis the inglish langwage?
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HerGU, welchygq, you certainly have opened a can of worms ;D
I think everybody is just having fun talking about something other than camper trailers and 4wd's. It'll certainly give us something to talk about at many a MySwag meet :cheers:.
Cheers, Sam.
Maybe we should nominate it for a topic on that "Can of Worms" show on 10. lol.
I certainly didnt invisage 8 pages of responses when i posted the question! lol :D