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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: tinkera on March 15, 2011, 08:08:29 PM
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HI ALL With all these disasters happening lately got me thinking could you survive given enough warning by hooking up the C.T.with food and water and heading for the hills.I know myself and most on here are selfsufficient would there be new settlements full of CT and alike springing up with like minded people living off the land COULD YOU SURVIVE. TINKERA
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Hmm, 25ks from the coast, 20m elevation...we should be right where we are.
Hem
p.s. yep we still could survive, but BEER would be a problem
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Hmm, 25ks from the coast, 20m elevation...we should be right where we are.
Hem
p.s. yep we still could survive, but BEER would be a problem
Start stocking beer now....
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I often think about this and believe we would struggle but make do if we lost all utilities. We would need to source unleaded (for the genny) and water but other than that we're good. Must do something about a water tank one day.
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Camper Trailer, Solar Panel, Gas, fuel, food, lots of beer/scotch & to live off the land. Getting back to nature. Then work would call and order me back to work. >:( Must teach the misses to set up the CT from start to finish ;D.
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The interesting thing is how much time do you have? The Japan tsunami they had little to no warning so you wouldn't have even time to connect the camper..... :cheers:
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True, we were within several klms of a fire front during Black Saturday until the wind changed direction and pushed it away from us. At the time the last thing we were thinking about was the camper. The wife was packing stuff into boxes and I was packing the boxes into the Prado and taking pics for insurance. Our primary goal was GTFO safely.
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More importantly..........
How would I cope without "Myswag" ?????
:o ::) :o ::) :o ::) ;)
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Does anyone have a "go bag"?
We live in an area that I'd think was unlikely to be affected by natural disasters, but given the extent and magnitude of recent local and global events I wondered if my family needed to be more prepared to get out of the house if required.
We have the camper, solar etc too, so if we could get that hooked up accommodation wouldn't be an issue, but what if you just need to go?
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SWMBO states that we now have a property that is safe from all natural disasters - as long as we get enough notice. No matter what the risk - we can always move!!!!!! Not bad for a city girl.
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It's a sad fact that people who live in areas prone to natural disasters are never truly ready for one. Its easier to take the ostrich approach than actually do something about it. Ignorance is bliss I guess...
Meanwhile, we're about 600kays from the coast, so I'm pretty sure that we'll just end up having those of you who are able to get out come and stay here! ;D I've got 6 acres...should be good for a few camper trailers at least! :cheers:
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WELL I'M SCREWED I LIVE IN SYDNEY,
In peak hour one would need more than an hour to travel 25km,
I would be far better off occy strapping an esky to the Mal and ride the wave to safety
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The interesting thing is how much time do you have? The Japan tsunami they had little to no warning so you wouldn't have even time to connect the camper..... :cheers:
And that's the issue we would face in Broome. We already have 10metre tides and they flood within a metre, the town so any extra water would be very bad...This can be seen at Fitzroy at the moment where I was last week. The caravan park is flooded and the roads are cut. Every 38 mins there is enough water passing under the bridge ti fill Sydney harbor.. it is amazing
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I'm 25 mins from the coast, 275m above sea level and all around is vunerable land. If we could hook it up in time and get away ... we wouldn't get very far. At least I'd be able to plot a course out on higher land as I know how to use a map very well. Might just buy a gun, some ammo and stay at home ... *sigh*
Kit_e
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HI ALL With all these disasters happening lately got me thinking could you survive given enough warning by hooking up the C.T.with food and water and heading for the hills.I know myself and most on here are selfsufficient would there be new settlements full of CT and alike springing up with like minded people living off the land COULD YOU SURVIVE. TINKERA
what time frame are you looking at? i.e. how much food and water can we carry?
Is it a national disaster - can we replenish our food and fuel supplies?
How many people can really live off the land?
I am not having a go at what anyone has said, I am thinking more along the lines of major disaster, there are no crops for food and so much of the infra-structure gone - who will survive then?
I don't think many of us are really set-up for that scenario - I know I am not
:cheers:
Mike
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If you want to laugh type in survivalist in your browser... Its a little concerning that they exist here... Oh, and where your tinfoil hat.
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We live on the plains about 2kms from the coast. Should a tidal wave start in the Southern Ocean it would be blocked by Kangaroo Island, so its virtually impossible here in the gulf of St Vincent, although Spencers Gulf might be another story.
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We are about 12 houses from the beach and less than a metre above the water, we are screwed. We would only get minutes of warning if any. As for living off the land, probably. I can start fire without matches could catch and kill wildlife without getting squimish but dont know what plants are eatable.
Thankfully for a tsunami we only have to go 5 minutes down the road to get to higher ground but I doubt I could get the camper hooked and away by 5 mins
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We've got nothing, 1m above sea level and our suburb is on a water table, (if you dig a whole in the ground at about 500mm you hit water).
I have a decent boat, but it wouldn't hold up to the mass of debris, I think most are more susceptible than they realise.
After my recent experience in the Brisbane floods, my views of survival in suburbia have changed, it's not as easy as you think.
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After my recent experience in the Brisbane floods, my views of survival in suburbia have changed, it's not as easy as you think.
Ditto with my fire experience and now with a baby my priority is family safety first. The house/contents is insured and can be replaced, lives can't be.
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I think my best bet would be to form a tribe that i would lead then turn to cannibalism.
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I think my best bet would be to form a tribe that i would lead then turn to cannibalism.
Would you eat the 3L Patrol owners first?
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No... Prado drivers. because i know they are soft and tender... :D
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All the info is here
http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/e-...s/butcher.html
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Which bits would you eat first Darren? ;) and would anyone need a cigarette afterwoods.
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Which bits would you eat first Darren? ;) and would anyone need a cigarette afterwoods.
You may be getting confused with Armin Meiwes.
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No... Prado drivers. because i know they are soft and tender... :D
Touche
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I reckon Morag and I would survive.
I have been a hunter outdorsman my whole life so no problems with building a decent comfy shelter or gathering meat.
Morag is an excellent gardener so I really dont see a veggie garden as a big problem either.
She also has many many plant books so eating edible plants until the garden is harvested will be fine.
And of course having done my time in the armed forces will help when the riff raff decide they want to try and take what we have.
And that people will be the biggest problem!!
All the punks and lowlife scum will come crawling out of the woodwork once law and order breaks down...
Bill and Morag
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We are 175m above sea level, plenty of livestock and market gardens in the local area, we also live in a wine region so should have no problems here :cup: :cheers:
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Slightly off topic but along the same lines, I was thinking the other day what I would do if the nuclear disaster esculates. Couldn't remember which way the Pacific Ocean winds move, clockwise or anti clockwise. Where would you head to escape contamination remembering that plant and animal life are effected by fallout. Best Idea that came to mind was the western side of the Great Australian Bight, winds from the south and west with plentiful fishing from the southern ocean.
Any ideas ?
Craig
PS I'm not a doomsdayer, was just thinking.
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Slightly off topic but along the same lines, I was thinking the other day what I would do if the nuclear disaster esculates. Couldn't remember which way the Pacific Ocean winds move, clockwise or anti clockwise. Where would you head to escape contamination remembering that plant and animal life are effected by fallout. Best Idea that came to mind was the western side of the Great Australian Bight, winds from the south and west with plentiful fishing from the southern ocean.
Any ideas ?
Craig
PS I'm not a doomsdayer, was just thinking.
It was actually the disasters in Japan that made me think about it. When you consider the proportion of Japan that will be effected, if the same proportion of Australia was affected we would probably be in the manure.
Fortunately Manjimup is about 280m asl and I can take my kayak to the coast (if I have fuel)
:cheers:
Mike
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I reckon Morag and I would survive.
I have been a hunter outdorsman my whole life so no problems with building a decent comfy shelter or gathering meat.
Morag is an excellent gardener so I really dont see a veggie garden as a big problem either.
She also has many many plant books so eating edible plants until the garden is harvested will be fine.
And of course having done my time in the armed forces will help when the riff raff decide they want to try and take what we have.
And that people will be the biggest problem!!
All the punks and lowlife scum will come crawling out of the woodwork once law and order breaks down...
Bill and Morag
As long as you remember the seeds ;D
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We live in an area that I'd think was unlikely to be affected by natural disasters...
Same here. FNQ's pretty safe. So far this year we've only had a couple of cyclones, flooding, and the earthquake yesterday. That's pretty standard for everywhere, isn't it? ???
Cairns had it's own tsunami a couple of years ago. Live updates on the radio, people were seriously panicking. The roads were gridlocked. People were dragging double-axle caravans up Lake Morris road, which at some places is most charitably described as a single-lane goat track (it took them days to unclog that mess). People were leaving the safety of cyclone-rated block buildings so they could sit, completely exposed to the ocean, in their cars as they tried to get "away". Probably what incited the most fear was when the main radio station did a live cross to the Willis Is met station, just after the tsunami was scheduled to pass it by, to get a live update from the staff there as to the impact it had. There was nothing but static on the end of the line. You can imagine the hysterics that drove people into. People were running into classrooms crying and screaming, grabbing their children and running out.
When the wave reached the beach (and the waiting lines of gridlocked traffic, half a metre above the waterline), it was officially measured at something like 3cm.
So much hype, so much media-generated fear, so little facts. No one remembered that we have 10km of reef and shallow water between us and open ocean. I wanted to find out who was selling the "I survived the Cairns Tsunami" bumper stickers afterwards, but never could track them down.
Obviously the current situation in Japan is worlds apart from this, and my heart goes out to everyone affected over there - the scale of the destruction is simply unimaginable in modern society. I simply do not know how you could begin the task of recovering and rebuilding.
Also, I'm with Darren. The survivalist movement (and it's members) scares the living daylights out of me. By the sounds of Bill's post, I think I'll be heading down his way and camping out with him - sounds like they've got it sorted!
Thanks!
Matto :)
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That's the biggest issue - the mass coconuts panicking.
In Brisbane, the day of the flooding (Tuesday from memory) I went to the shops around lunch time to get beer and bread as I figured the waters were going to hang around for a while and I wanted some toast ;D but the supermarkets were gutted! People pannicking, torches, batteries, flour, milk, bread etc. all gone, shelves emptied!
That is my real concern, facing the elements is the easy one, defending water and food from panicking coconuts is the battle. >:D
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That's the biggest issue - the mass coconuts panicking.
In Brisbane, the day of the flooding (Tuesday from memory) I went to the shops around lunch time to get beer and bread as I figured the waters were going to hang around for a while and I wanted some toast ;D but the supermarkets were gutted! People pannicking, torches, batteries, flour, milk, bread etc. all gone, shelves emptied!
That is my real concern, facing the elements is the easy one, defending water and food from panicking coconuts is the battle. >:D
I didn’t realise there was such a high population of Polynesians in Brisbane
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That's the biggest issue - the mass coconuts panicking.
Couldn't have said it better myself Danbri.
Same thing happened here with Yasi. The supermarkets were stripped, but the servo shops were still quite well stocked with tinned food, noodles, bottled water, all the essential disaster/long life products. No-one had cottoned on to that yet. But the lines for petrol were hours-long all over the city. I know, we were waiting in one :-[ . The woman in her mercedes roadster in line in front of us waited the same 45mins as we did, just so she could put $4.20 worth of fuel in her tank, to top it up. Someone must have told her that in a cyclone, you needed to ensure that you had a full tank of petrol, so that's what she was doing. :cup:
As for beer, well, let's just say that they had to have police out on the road in front of Dan Murphy's, directing traffic. I declined to go anywhere near that train-wreck of humanity, instead preferring to go around to a mate's place and drink his beer instead. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
I'm told that the aftermath of the floods in Brisbane bought out some of the best in people as well, with neighbours and just complete strangers pitching in to help clear streets and clean houses. It's amazing how you can get such polar opposites of attitudes in such close proximity to each other.
Ahhh well - good times!
Matto :)
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Have a good grounding in outdoor living and the bows I own are very effective. The CT is pretty well ready to go most of the time. The only thing being if we are ever threatened by a tsunami then the rest of the country is already gone. That's what comes from living in the Centre. ;D
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Hi,
about 700m from the Derwent estuary at 30m elevation, should be safe with a deep water shore line and steep banks. Probably enough food in the house at any time to last 2 weeks, fire wood stacked for months, could run the house on 12V and inverter for heater circulating pump and camper fridge. Solar/Batteries, torches, gas stoves, coleman stove/light would last for a month or two.
Would need mains water, but could survive on local creeks if it rains.
I imagine things would start to degrade seriously after about a month.
Would need computer access and power to draw money from the bank account, and need finance to be working to get money into the account or we would have no cash after a week or so.
Not having an old fashioned bank book could be a disadvantage in trying to establish your credit if all the 'puters stop working.
Wouldn't need fuel to get into town, still have the deadly treadley to ride if I had to.
Not a nice thought though.
It is a bit of a wake up to see some of the survivors in the shelters sitting on a blanket with the only possessions they have left.
Not belittling NZ, Qld or other affected Australian areas recently, but it does seem to have been a deeper impact on the Japanese society to the point where you wonder if they will recover.
cheers
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It all depends on how much warning we got. With lots of warning anything is possible, but that’s not always the case.
But with Earthquakes & Tsunami’s like what happened to Japan we would all be unprepared and would all struggle. If a MAJOR event happened, odds are either your house is damaged which increases the chances of your car/trailer also being damaged or totally destroyed. So if your house is destroyed then access to your warm cloths, hunting, fishing, gardening, tents, food, water etc are all be gone. So all you have is the cloths on your back.
So even if you were lucky enough to have a drivable car/trailer, then the roads would either be torn apart and non existent so you might not be able to even drive anywhere.
So even if you survived the initial disaster, days or weeks after would be bedlam with law and order breaking down and everyone going into survival mode and eventually turning into survival of the fittest.
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i can hunt and fish cause Ive been watching bear grills .........
the problem i have is living at stockton NSW a tsunami would simply go over the top of this low lying point but if we were to get out it would be straight up to barington tops .
Craig
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I would hang around and help there are helpless kids with no surviving skills that would not have a chance in the world we live in now so this good Samaritan will do his best to make sure the children get a second go
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i can hunt and fish cause Ive been watching bear grills ........
Craig
God I hope you haven't learnt to eat like him as well.
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WELL I'M SCREWED I LIVE IN SYDNEY,
In peak hour one would need more than an hour to travel 25km,
I would be far better off occy strapping an esky to the Mal and ride the wave to safety
But at least your closer to the big hills to get you up high'n dry.
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All the punks and lowlife scum will come crawling out of the woodwork once law and order breaks down...
I've heard we taste like pork.
I do like pork....
Perhaps lawyers and politicians. Punks and lowlife are invariably skinny and quite tough on the plate.
I just hopre this disaster does not ruin the latest Hunter region vintages, how uncouth.
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HI ALL I was thinking more along the lines of George Orwells ANIMAL Farm would be the likely outcome for the survivers in this survival camp.On other note wife has become proactive with all this when we beach camp this weekend she wants me to put the CT high on a dune instead of on the flat level ground.For those who have camped at Teewah Beach you,ll know why I said your got to be kidding.TINKERA.
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HI ALL I was thinking more along the lines of George Orwells ANIMAL Farm would be the likely outcome
Oh no, does that mean Winnebago drivers will be our new masters?
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HI ALL I was thinking more along the lines of George Orwells ANIMAL Farm would be the likely outcome for the survivers in this survival camp.On other note wife has become proactive with all this when we beach camp this weekend she wants me to put the CT high on a dune instead of on the flat level ground.For those who have camped at Teewah Beach you,ll know why I said your got to be kidding.TINKERA.
We will have a revolution and turn to communism
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We will have a revolution and turn to communism
As long as we are all equal.
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We in Australia dogged a literally bullet about 3 weeks ago.
I use to be in the SES on the Nrthn Rivers of NSW, and we did an exercise with this senario about 3 years ago.
If the Christchurch earth quake happened on the west coast of New Zealand, facing the east coast of Australia was a 9.0 on the Richter scale and was a catestrophic movement between 2 plates...
The destruction I can not even comprehend, I bear not to think it.
But just those images from Japan scare the bejesus out of me.
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No... Prado drivers. because i know they are soft and tender... :D
And your not picking on the Paj owners YaHo.... ;D
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It's a sad fact that people who live in areas prone to natural disasters are never truly ready for one. Its easier to take the ostrich approach than actually do something about it. Ignorance is bliss I guess...
Meanwhile, we're about 600kays from the coast, so I'm pretty sure that we'll just end up having those of you who are able to get out come and stay here! ;D I've got 6 acres...should be good for a few camper trailers at least! :cheers:
Booking my spot now !!!!
C/T+ Patrol and beer fridge, thanks
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God I hope you haven't learnt to eat like him as well.
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Or worse.... Drink your own ............. You know what
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Apparently, in time of disaster, the bakers stop baking bread, supermarkets stop supplying food and petrol stations run out of petrol. I know this because we've been cut off from the rest of the world quite a few times over the years with major flooding.
It seems that in order to survive a major disaster, you must eat more bread every day.
Either that or there are a heck of a lot of freezers out here full of bread!! ::) ;D
Offroadfreq...your space is reserved... ;D
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But at least your closer to the big hills to get you up high'n dry.
Its not all dooom and gloom either.....
Just think, you'll have ocean views. Push your property price right up. ;D
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I used to read the (mainly) US survivalist sites. Don't knock them too much. Sure, there were some weirdos, but there was a lot of good advice as well about how you can prepare for disasters. Much of it included Americans' free access to firearms which we don't have in nanny-state Oz. As several posters have pointed out, the pond slime will come wriggling free very quickly.
Cheers, Tony
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Then of course we could always put your head between your knees & kiss your butt goodbye >:D
Have 1 last almighty :cheers: till that ran out , then food , then water , survival at times is beyond your control . In that magnitude of S#$T fight its anybodies guess just how long you would have .
You have to be able to get to the bush to have a crack at survival out there , but getting out of here 1st could be the biggest problem to start with . With the reactors going off there is the silent killer in the wind, water & plant life to contend with as well .
Sooo after all that I think we all need along stiff drink :cheers:
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I used to read the (mainly) US survivalist sites. Don't knock them too much. Sure, there were some weirdos, but there was a lot of good advice as well about how you can prepare for disasters. Much of it included Americans' free access to firearms which we don't have in nanny-state Oz. As several posters have pointed out, the pond slime will come wriggling free very quickly.
Cheers, Tony
And because they are not lawabiding they will be the ones with plenty of firearms...
Bill
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How come when you watch footage of natural disasters they always show someone making ham sandwiches??
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How come when you watch footage of natural disasters they always show someone making ham sandwiches??
They're probably Scouts - Be Prepared
;D
Mike
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Well how far do you take preparing for survival? Do you stick you head in the sand as the wave, flotsam and jetsam wash over you or do you go all out like some of those survival sites that darren seems to know lots about ;D?
Myself? Well I am I guess a little more towards the survivalists side than the head in sand. Obviously I don't support the zombies are coming theory, but I always try and keep my truck half full of fuel (holds 270 litres). The camper trailer is always packed, I do have some emergency rations good for about a week at home in a corner ready to go. I am a hunter, competent in multiple meothods of hunting and enough emmunition to survive for a good period of time, I have all the usual camping gear which includes pretty much everything a survivalist needs (I reckon I could comfortably live in what I have for an indefinite period). I am trained in a number of ways of defending ones property and person and also how to make use of common household items to make some very handy "things" (courtesy of our government). So perhaps I am a survivalist nutter, its just that no-one has actually called me that yet, so I don't know. All I need is access to a long term safe food and water supply and my family and I will be good to go. Perhaps our national parks might be the best place. Oh hang on, they are all locked so we won't be able to get in there ::) ::) ::)
Now where did I put my tin foil hat?
Cheers
CB
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Well how far do you take preparing for survival? Do you stick you head in the sand as the wave, flotsam and jetsam wash over you or do you go all out like some of those survival sites that darren seems to know lots about ;D?
Myself? Well I am I guess a little more towards the survivalists side than the head in sand. Obviously I don't support the zombies are coming theory, but I always try and keep my truck half full of fuel (holds 270 litres). The camper trailer is always packed, I do have some emergency rations good for about a week at home in a corner ready to go. I am a hunter, competent in multiple meothods of hunting and enough emmunition to survive for a good period of time, I have all the usual camping gear which includes pretty much everything a survivalist needs (I reckon I could comfortably live in what I have for an indefinite period). I am trained in a number of ways of defending ones property and person and also how to make use of common household items to make some very handy "things" (courtesy of our government). So perhaps I am a survivalist nutter, its just that no-one has actually called me that yet, so I don't know. All I need is access to a long term safe food and water supply and my family and I will be good to go. Perhaps our national parks might be the best place. Oh hang on, they are all locked so we won't be able to get in there ::) ::) ::)
Now where did I put my tin foil hat?
Cheers
CB
You survivalist nutter!!!!
There.
Feel better now ;D
Bill and Morag
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Survivalist Nutter , maybe . This is asuming that you get out of the what ever that has turned your world to Sh1t . If you can gather you family & try to move to where you can survive , the roads are stuffed . The whole world as you know it is gone . Good luck . :cheers:
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Survivalist Nutter , maybe . This is asuming that you get out of the what ever that has turned your world to Sh1t . If you can gather you family & try to move to where you can survive , the roads are stuffed . The whole world as you know it is gone . Good luck . :cheers:
Isn't that why we have 4x4's?
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They too were washed away in Qld . Plan for te worst every thing else is a bonus . :cheers:
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As a devout Druid i know that by performing a sacrifice to Accasbel i will be provide for....
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I think that Hessian caftan has finally driven you mad >:D
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After having a think about it might be safer to stay put at home.Could be eaten because I drive a Prado,surrounded by survivalist nutters culling blowins willy nilly while camped next to Speewa and Darren and all there is to eat is ham sangers probably x Prado owners I cop it sweet at home thanks.TINKERA he he
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In a perfect world the catastrophe would happen on a sat around noon with 5 days notice.
How would you go with 30 minutes notice on a weekday !!
or no notice at all.
Food for thought.
Mark
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Sorry, folks, but this is not a subject for humour. Under our present "government", we are at imminent risk of a disaster, either financial, political or military (such as the Chinese/Indonesians deciding they need more room for their millions of people. They will then come down here and take it by sheer force of numbers.) And we will not be able to do a bloody thing about it. And then we will need the survival skills. Cheers, Tony
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Tony,
I disagree. Firstly we would get advance warning of that. Secondly they (the Indons and the Chinese) do not have the power projection capability to do what you say (short of a nuclear stike, but then everyone is a loser). Therefore it is highly unlikely. The financial thing might be a higher chance of happening, but as we have seen even with the GFC, whilst individuals do indeed suffer, life still goes on. Australia is indeed the lucky country in terms of natural defence. The only country at the present time that could invade us and sustain it and win would be the US. Things may change by 2050 with China (is that enough advanced warning? The latest Defence White paper is a good read if you can read between the lines).
And I actually like to think that the Chinese (and India) will actually be the saviour of Western society from the current war we are in. How is that you will ask? well lets just say that they are a-religious and their power and inflence might just stop the spread of radical islam that has as its goal to essentially take over the world! (Just like Pinky and the Brain, but a little more credible!). India did offer 120,000 troops for Afghanistan and with this number of troops the war would be over in 12 months. (The peace would take a little longer...) But this is untenable to Pakistan having Indian troops on its Eastern and Western borders... I digress.
Anyway i don't think the Indon or Chinese hoards will be coming to Australia in the foreseeable future. So I think the most credible threat that may require some survival techniqiues would be a natural disaster for the short to medium term. However even natural disasters are only localised (tell that to all but the two provinces in QLD declared natural disaster zones!) But I have been here in Townsville for two weeks and whilst we have had only two days of intermittent sunshine, life still goes on.
Maybe I am not an actual survivalist nutter after all!
Cheers
CB
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Our backyard is 1330 mtrs above sea level.......should fit a dozen campers in......beer, bourbon and baked dinners should takecare of the tariff.
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It is not earthquakes or tsunamis that are the threat, it is inflation/HYPERinflation that is looming from the sea of red ink around the world. Borrowed money is being used to pay back borrowed money around the world, in particular the EU.
Governments from the USA down to Zimbabwe are doomed if they cannot do a u-turn in the VERY near future, and with the USA printing $100 notes in order to buy $100 Treasury Bonds, they are on a path to chaos.
If the SHTF, it will spread to Australia too.
JMNHO.
OC
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With another quake in christchurch today, you really have to feel for those people...
I dont think theres been any loss of life, thankfully.
but its sad to see people are having to do the smart thing and give up and leave the place for good.. Most people wont be able to give their houses and stuff away... very very hard thing and hard times for lots of people...
Lets hope its all over now and no more tremors for them..
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I've got a plan... i'm going to get a super charger and change my name to Max. She'll be right!
ps. and stock up on tinned dog food.
mike
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I thought all you needed to survive anywhere was a used parachute, a knife and a flint.... 8)
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I thought all you needed to survive anywhere was a used parachute, a knife and a flint.... 8)
Depending on your height above ground and you proximity in relation to the nearest aircraft, one of those three is more important then the other...