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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nutto on February 23, 2011, 01:47:59 PM
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Some info & pricing on the new VW ute
http://autoweb.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E4461AC2DC2DF24ACA25783E0026AA82 (http://autoweb.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/E4461AC2DC2DF24ACA25783E0026AA82)
Pitching at the Hilux prices by the looks,
Be an interesting drive with a little 2.0l twin turbo D. Hopefully the 2 hairdyers will eliminate lag that the current utes using 2.5 diesels have(driven both triton & Nav 2.5 - go like stink - after the lag...)
:cheers:
Nutto
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Cool, looks competitive.
I'm liking the new Ranger, hubba hubba.
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They just need two of those little motors in there and it'll be a ripper.
It looks nicely finished, but I can't see a two litre ute achieving big things in Australia. Something about milk and juice...
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Being an owner of a D40 Navara and having driven the Amarok and the new V6 Navara, I wish the Amarok was around when I bought the Navara.......because I wouldn't have!
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They just need two of those little motors in there and it'll be a ripper.
It looks nicely finished, but I can't see a two litre ute achieving big things in Australia. Something about milk and juice...
The engine is modified from the transporter range and is AWESOME.
Check the stats;
120kW (at 4000 rpm) and 400Nm of torque from 1500 to 2500rpm. 7.7 litres per hundred highway and a ZF transmission.
I thought the same when I first read about it but having had a transporter for a while they are bloody brilliant engines. If they had a bench front seat I would get one tomorrow :D
I saw a silver one on the Huon Highway and they look heaps wider than my Ford Ranger ute.
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I'm still sitting on the fence, yep, it has the hype at the moment, but the stats show that the VW still has drum rear breaks?, I've heard that maintenance costs will be in the med to high range.
The overall look of the ute is nice, a lot softer compared to its competition, it needs a few years in the market.
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Haha. $59,000 for a dual cab ute (yes it's the top one but what one would you have?) and you get a 2 litre engine that makes 120kw. Realy.
I mean it looks pretty cool but not much different to say a Colorado.
Why are all our new diesels becoming so small and so highly strung?
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I look at it this way:- a F1 race car developes around 1000 HP from 2.4 litres so 120 KW from 2 litre should not be a problem. And how much HP do they get out of the 2.6 litre Skyline, as some one said time will tell. But the gear they come with say compared to the V6 Navara for off road is pretty good.
I am waiting to check out the new Ford and am hoping the new D-Max won't be far away as well, but if it comes to a crunch I will buy the VW, why BUILD QUALITY.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/51431/2011-volkswagen-amarok-launched-in-australia
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How long do those F1 engines last? How would they go towing a camper. ;D
There is as much opinion against VW build quality in europe as there is for from what I can tell.
I mean the new v8 landcruiser motor is raved about and they didnt go smaller to achieve the power. I just prefer the logic of a bigger motor don't have to work so hard. But anyway, thats just me and I'm no expert.
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Laith, urgh urgh urgh ;D
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I'm still sitting on the fence, yep, it has the hype at the moment, but the stats show that the VW still has drum rear breaks?, I've heard that maintenance costs will be in the med to high range.
The overall look of the ute is nice, a lot softer compared to its competition, it needs a few years in the market.
Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes????
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How long do those F1 engines last? How would they go towing a camper. ;D
There is as much opinion against VW build quality in europe as there is for from what I can tell.
I mean the new v8 landcruiser motor is raved about and they didnt go smaller to achieve the power. I just prefer the logic of a bigger motor don't have to work so hard. But anyway, thats just me and I'm no expert.
I suppose I could ask how long a V8 LC would last being driven like an F1 to.
And it is not that long ago that a 8 to 10 Litre truck motor was only putting out 600 NM as well, now we have a 4.5 Litre LC do it. So really your point about the size is a little irrelevant. Plus I believe the VW engineers might be a little smarter than us as well.
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Thats the thing mate. You dont need to drive a v8 landcruiser motor the same as an F1 car to get to get the power out of it. A landcruiser v8 makes max power at 3400 revs. Parts wear slower so I don't think its irrelevant at all.
Maybe the VW engineers are making designs on a set of guide lines (ie smaller capacity and less fuel economy) they are given by the people above them. I wouldn't just asume they are usings smaller engines because they are better.
Any way my main gripe is that 120kw is not what I want if I'm spending nearly $60 grand on a cool looking ute.
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I agree with Laith, I wasn't be facetious with my post about two motors. Don't get me wrong, I am in awe of the performance and economy that the Europeans and Indians (Land Rover) are achieving and clearly there is much more that Toyota need to do, but it is a concern that they're putting small, highly strung motors into large vehicles. This is Australia baby, the biggest, roughest place around.
I like the look of the Amorok, and think it's fantastic that finally some innovation and comfort is being brought into the dual cab space. But I still think it would be a better vehicle if they bolted two motors together and detuned it.
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Laith, we talk NM's with diesels, so the LC ute produces 430 NMs and the VW 400 NMs. The new 550 Navara 3.0 litre yes 550 NMs.
Dazzler drives a VW Transporter with the same motor and says they are great, and they have been around for a while in them, so it is a little run in.
Anyway will talk more after I take one for a test drive in a couple of weeks.
PS It will be hard for any thing to out do my 1995 Isuzu MU diesel which produces around 400 NMs ;D
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Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes????
Since the Navara and the Pathfinder share a good deal of parts I'm looking at how hard it would be to put the disc brake rear end of a Pathfinder into a Navara
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Take this body, add Toyota resale value, a 3.8 V6 TTD diesel preferrably from Detroit, Cummins or Caterpillar complete with 180 lt tank, a ZF 6sp manual box from the Amarok, add in all the electronic gadgets from a Discovery 4 but get Bosch to remake them so they work, some Dana diffs from the Rubicon (including front and rear lockers), throw some Bridgestone D694's in 275/75 16LT( I like D694's >:D), air bags to adjust clearance to suit conditions and a $49k price.
Winner :cup:
Feel free to offer your opinion. If you agree. ;D
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Since the Navara and the Pathfinder share a good deal of parts I'm looking at how hard it would be to put the disc brake rear end of a Pathfinder into a Navara
Are the Pathies independant rear ends?
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Laith, we talk NM's with diesels, so the LC ute produces 430 NMs and the VW 400 NMs. The new 550 Navara 3.0 litre yes 550 NMs.
Dazzler drives a VW Transporter with the same motor and says they are great, and they have been around for a while in them, so it is a little run in.
Anyway will talk more after I take one for a test drive in a couple of weeks.
PS It will be hard for any thing to out do my 1995 Isuzu MU diesel which produces around 400 NMs ;D
Maybe the VW 2L TD will out perform the Cruiser ute 4.5L TD then. They have similar NM's to each other. I would have to wonder what everyones been raving about then. Maybe I'm wrong but I have this idea that the 2L engine will be working harder and under more stress then the 4.5L making similar power and doing the same job.
My 11 year old son can lift a 20kg bag of chook food, but I can lift it all day.
We will have to agree to disagree. :cheers:
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I have this idea that the 2L engine will be working harder and under more stress then the 4.5L making similar power and doing the same job.
Exactly why I didnt get another Triton, went the 3.2 Paj instead.
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I have a VW Passat company car and have driven a couple of new gulfs. Build quality is second to none. These cars are in a different league to our Australian built cars, the doors shut with a thud instead of a twang, they go like stink and are super reliable IMHO.. But would I shell out for a Amorak... probably not...
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sat in one of these at the sydney motor show and they looked like a good bit of gear - although you've got to wonder about the 2 litre engine!
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I've been driving a VW Tiguan with a 2.0 litre, common rail turbo diesel engine that generates 103 kW of power and 320 Nm of torque, delivering maximum torque at just above idle.
I would suggest test drive the VW ute, as it has a more powerful motor and then say they are not a fantastic vehicle.
One comment I will offer is I hate the 'skinny spare wheel' syndrome they have in the Tiguan.
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Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes????
There's a couple of various models...Nissan, Toyota, Izusu.
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Just on the 2 litre motor argument it is all down to efficiency. They wont wear out quicker provided the internals are built to take it. With the transporter they actually reduced the 2.5 TD back to 2 litres and it goes better than the 2.5. I cant get my head around that one given the old more cubes more power mantra ???.
The rear drums are also interesting. Though they are not as efficient as discs from a cooling perspective provided they are the correct size (and remember wheel sizes have grown so you can get a larger drum in) then there will be no issue. And most of our rear disc braked vehicles still have drums inside for the handbrake so in the long run its probably about the same.
Must try and get one on fleet. For me, and only me, so I can buy it at the end of lease :angel:
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I do like the look of the new VW.
but when I' am ready to upgrade I think the new 550 Navara STX will be the ute that replaces my current Navara.
http://www.nissan.com.au/webpages/models/Navara_STX_550.html
Maybe in a year or two when they get all the bugs worked out...
Bill and Morag
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Is there a ute on the market (excluding Falcon and Crummydore) with rear disc brakes????
I have one of each, a ford FG which I am paid to drive and a Holden VY which I love to drive. Both have rear disks
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Cool, looks competitive.
I'm liking the new Ranger, hubba hubba.
Bastard, you made me google that now I'm in love.......bastard >:D >:D
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The new Ranger looks like a cracker.
Heard on the grape vine that Suzuki are looking at the ute / dual cab market as well.
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So what happened to thiswww.motorpoint.com.au/subarubajaturbo.asp (http://www.motorpoint.com.au/subarubajaturbo.asp), if was coming to Australia in a turbo diesel version...well I would be putting the folding stuff down tommorrow.
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We had an '05 Golf 1.9 single turbo diesel and I thought it was a fantastic car. Build quality was exceptional (compared to Aussie built) and it was a very solid, secure car to drive with heaps of power.
I like the Amarok and if I was in the market for a d/cab I'd be seriously considering this one.
Look what everyone said about the Nissan 3lt. I KNOW, I KNOW - once they'd fixed the earlier model 'grenade' engines they are now a solid performer with a good record and longevity. This 2lt motor in the Amarok has a good proven track record and would probably be alright - I 'd be more worried that the electrics are sealed well enough to survive 4WDing here and then water crossings as well - only time will tell.
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The new Ranger looks like a cracker.
Heard on the grape vine that Suzuki are looking at the ute / dual cab market as well.
Just remember the Ranger failed the NSW Police stability test
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Just remember the Ranger failed the NSW Police stability test
Whats the test involve/for? (stability where I mean)
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Whats the test involve/for? (stability where I mean)
I am guessing the stability test involves going round corners at decent speeds without tipping over or driving down a straight piece of road and turning the steering wheel left and right a few times to see if you can induce a rollover.
I think there is a video getting around online somewhere showing the Hilux???? failing some European stability test.
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Interesting.... Anything will fall over once the centre of gravity point falls outside of the wheel track. Wonder what would make the ranger different to any of the others?
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How does bigger tyres and a lift go, they prob fall over as you enter the driveway ???
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Interesting.... Anything will fall over once the centre of gravity point falls outside of the wheel track. Wonder what would make the ranger different to any of the others?
Pure speculation but maybe after they bolt on the caged body where they lock up the naughty boys and girls it becomes too much......
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Whats the test involve/for? (stability where I mean)
The "test" involves using the Ranger for a pursuit (something that this type of vehicle is generally not certified for), when going round one corner at a speed the most would deem unsuitable in s straight line, the ranger, like the Rodeos used previously decided that the laws of physics were more powerful that the laws of NSW and placed the Ranger in a position that terminated the pursuit (inverted).
One should also not that a number of councils use this vehicle for their Community Law Enforcement officers. One of our local guys tells me it saves on signwriting....
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Ahh now that makes sense.
No commercial vehicle should be urgent duty driving so why even bother with the test in the first place ???
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There's a couple of various models...Nissan, Toyota, Izusu.
Really??? Which Nissan, Toyota or Izusu comes with rear disc brakes?
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Ahh now that makes sense.
No commercial vehicle should be urgent duty driving so why even bother with the test in the first place ???
There was no actually test save that of some poor fool pushing the vehicle beyond its limits (and the drivers) the paperwork such brilliance creates is reward enough
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There was no actually test save that of some poor fool pushing the vehicle beyond its limits (and the drivers) the paperwork such brilliance creates is reward enough
A similar thing happened about 12 yrs ago when volvo lent a new twin turbo estate wagon all decked out as a pursuit car. First chase it turned out the brakes could only manage 2 big applications before fade........wall 1, volvo 0.
No more volvos ;D
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http://www.teknikensvarld.se/tvtv/071031-toyota-hilux/index.xml (http://www.teknikensvarld.se/tvtv/071031-toyota-hilux/index.xml)
Hilux roll test- a few years old now, controlled conditions.
New Euro NCAP Crash Test Volkswagen Amarok 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPR9dPPwkc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPR9dPPwkc)
hope that works as I have you tube blocks at work
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youtube worked.
Interesting with the first test being head on that the car slid to the side where it would then be effected by the second test where it is hit on the side.
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I drive a ford ranger for work.
It has a trade service body on the back and I would never admit it, but I was told by a man who was buying a dog, that it is probably way overloaded.
3 ladders on the roof racks, torpedo tubes and a paraphanalia of trade gear in the back.
I have never ever even come close to rolling.
I'm no turtle on the road, but I do try to stick to the limits and drive to the conditions.
To load a couple of turkeys in a cage in the back then drive it like a pursuit cruiser, probably isn't the right way to treat a commercial ute with leaf springs................
Just my opinion.
By the way, I'm certainly no ford fan, (I love my patrol) but for economy, reliability and a good trade ute, I'm yet to drive anything better than the ranger. Over the years I've tried a lot of different rigs.
Cheers
Brian
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FYI
http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-reviews-road-tests/vw_amarok_ute_first_drive?
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I took one for a test drive today, not in love yet, I'll be taking a Triton for a run and patiently wait to test thrash a new ranger too.
It had a quality feel plenty of power, I'm used to the turbo lag of my transporter it zings once its wound up but the extra turbo on the Ute made it feel linear in the power delivery it didn't feel as fast but probably was.
I'm hoping I like the Triton $37000 the savings buy a lot of extra bits, the VW starts at $53000!!!
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Drove our new amarok home tonight...more once we actually drive it in daylight!
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Really??? Which Nissan, Toyota or Izusu comes with rear disc brakes?
Ummmm...Troopie & ute 70 series , Kluger, Rav's, Lancruiser ute and wagon....Nissan Patrol ute and wagon, Xtrail and Pathfinder...but I digress, the Amarok looks the goods, so it will be a matter of time before it makes a name for itself.
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8 speed auto... VERY nice.
VW Amarok to get 8-spd auto
Matt Campbell
September 15, 2011 - 8:12
Self-shifting derivative of German brand’s ute sets a new benchmark for commercial vehicles.
Volkswagen has finally confirmed the automatic transmission it desperately needs for its Amarok ute – and it will have eight ratios.
Volkswagen snuck in the surprise announcement at the 2011 Frankfurt motor show, confirming the ground-breaking transmission.
Unlike most other self-shifting transmissions in the VW lineup, the Amarok’s is a conventional torque converter unit (rather than dual-clutch system often used on sportier cars), and is identical to that used in the recently released Touareg SUV.
The eight-speed auto-equipped vehicle on show was fitted with a new 132kW version of the 2.0-litre twin-turbo diesel engine and featured stop/start and a claimed consumption of 7.6L/100km (manual models are rated at 7.9L). It also boosts torque from 400Nm to 420Nm, and the towing capacity rises to 3.2 tonnes.
While the automatic transmission is due in 2012, Volkswagen’s head of development, Dr Ulrich Hackenberg, is looking even further ahead for the Amarok.
Asked whether a Amarok-based SUV would be considered, Hackenberg suggested it was a strong possibility, but indicated that supply constraints would potentially hold it back – at least in the short term.
“We call that an RUV – a robust utility vehicle – and it makes a lot of sense in some countries, but what you need is volume. And the factory is at full capacity, but we are just transferring production also to Germany ... next year,” he says.
Hackenberg also said there may be a larger seven-seat SUV to sit above the Touareg, but admits nothing is confirmed as yet.
“We have a seven-seat SUV which is based on Touareg – the Audi Q7,” Hackenberg says.
“Volkswagen actually is not looking for a seven-seater, but there are some markets, for example the US and China, which could make sense to have a bigger SUV which is different, so we are analysing this market,” he says.
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That's impressive. I think this is fantastic as it forces Toyota to lift their game.
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This will be interesting...Nissan, Toyota,GM,Ford,Mazada,Mitsubishi and co, will have to lift their game, or get blown into the weeds, when the single cab version hits in mid 2012, then let the war begin.
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This will be interesting...Nissan, Toyota,GM,Ford,Mazada,Mitsubishi and co, will have to lift their game, or get blown into the weeds, when the single cab version hits in mid 2012, then let the war begin.
honestly I dont think most companies play that game anymore... look at nissan with the patrol v the cruiser... the patrol is stuck in 2001...
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honestly I dont think most companies play that game anymore... look at nissan with the patrol v the cruiser... the patrol is stuck in 2001...
Until the new Patrol gets here >:D
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Until the new Patrol gets here >:D
oh yea, an offroad weapon that will be ...
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And Rhino Rack have just released roof bars for the Amarok making it a weapon that will carry stuff too....
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oh yea, an offroad weapon that will be ...
Who knows ??? but it will posed to take on the LC 200
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Great 8 speed BUT then no low range because the first gear is "low enough"
not in the above quote- but info sourced from elsewhere on the net :'(
5 or 6 speed will be good enough- if they add the low range
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the ARB Deluxe bar looks schmick on this thing..
but at $1800, then can insert it where there is a lack of sunshine, but lots of Shit weather.
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And Rhino Rack have just released roof bars for the Amarok making it a weapon that will carry stuff too....
Um, it's a ute.
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Great 8 speed BUT then no low range because the first gear is "low enough"
not in the above quote- but info sourced from elsewhere on the net :'(
5 or 6 speed will be good enough- if they add the low range
The new Touareg has also gone soft. Standard is VW's 4Motion, like Amarok. You have to pay several thousand more to specify 4XMotion which has low range and a lockable transfer case. Up to this year all Touareg's had 4XMotion and low range.
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The new Touareg has also gone soft. Standard is VW's 4Motion, like Amarok. You have to pay several thousand more to specify 4XMotion which has low range and a lockable transfer case. Up to this year all Touareg's had 4XMotion and low range.
yea, but from importers point of view, they probably sold 5 with "proper" 4wd, so not having it in their range makes sense.
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This weekend, Kayleen and myself undertook the test drive of the new 2011 Ford Ranger dual cab 4x4 manual and the VW Amarok 4 motion manual.
The Amarok, when you first get behind the steering wheel, it does'nt feel like a 4wd, good driving feel, plain dash, all within reach, A pilar not bulky, windsheld rake is not noticable, compact feel of the driving position. Kayleen got the feeling that she was driving the Pug 307 but a bit bigger in size, light clutch, road manners good, nice a zippy, did'nt feel like she was driving a truck....but would like a auto.
Checked out the new Ford Ranger 2011, as soon as I got behind the wheel, windshield rake and A pillar bulkiness was very noticable, nice tight gear selection(similar to Amarok), quite interior but very busy plastic looking dash.
Power good,good turning circle, but with the driving feel of the Ranger....you are driving a 4wd...it feels like a truck (sorry) but it just does. I saw a large bonnet in front of me (did'nt get that with the Amarok)
Kayleen got in behind the wheel...she felt claustaphobic, A pillar and windshield rack very noticable..."roo comes from the side, can't see it because of the A pillar", felt blokey (no offense)...truck feel when driving it, the dash very plastic looking and busy...too many dials / buttons (Bling as she put it)
She also noticed, that there was little side glass area when compared to the Amarok.
So we will be looking seriously at the auto Amarok, when it comes out in mid 2012...the dealer believes that the auto will be avaible for all models, but coupled with the bi turbo engine.