How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.

[Pete79]

Not disputing the figures but it would be a bit more factual if we had the map of NZ overlaid on Colorado if that is the basis of the comparison. Currently NZi is overlaid Germany and France which both have a huge population.

Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..??

[rags]

Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..??

No I’m smart enough to understand statistics, I do it often in my job.
Statistics can be skewed to tell you What ever you need to be told and as I said I’m not disputing the static’s, I just merely pointing out the map overlay has no context with the figures and that it would be more beneficial if posting the map overlay, throw up the figures for those country or not post the map as in your post there is no context or correlation between the statistics and map.

I agree NZ have done an exceptional job by Stamping out COVID by locking down their residents and also by closing its borders.

[tryagain]

NZ have done very well, a comparatively small population and geographic isolation have helped immensely, and that is one comparison the stats don't take into consideration. Having said that, that only helps if the right decisions are being made which hindsight says they did.

[Pete79]

Geographic isolation has to be one of the main factors (the same as us).

The comparison I posted earlier clearly shows that another area with almost exactly the same land mass and almost exactly the same population density, that is not geographically isolated from a bunch of nit-wits can be 7000 times worse off.

[tedota]

Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes.

[edz]

Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .   

[wakychapmans]

Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .

my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

[Jeepers Creepers]

Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes.

So will a prostate check..... advantage of the covid one, is ya unlikely to crack a fat during said test. (So I've been told) 

[Bird]

I wonder how bad it REALLY is in China, not what they are telling the world - but actual numbers.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/new-beijing-outbreak-raises-fears-for-the-rest-of-the-world-20200618-p553pg.html

[rags]

my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

Yep wife has had 3 tests as she is a health professional
DaUghter has had 2 tests, she is frontline retail
Me, I’ve had 1 test and can vouch for it being an ordinary experience

[GeoffA]

Appropriate.....

[#jonesy]

A perspective from a Mexican.

I live in Nillumbik LGA, not a hotspot.  I drove to work in Whittlesea LGA, not a hotspot. My work involves dealing with people who don't obey rules either because they don't think apply to them or don't give a rat's. The area we are tasked to is Whittlesea, Darebin, Hume and Moreland. 3 out 4 are hotspots. Everytime I deal with someone new gloves go on, at the end they are binned and hand sanitiser is used. One box of gloves last only a few days. Bonus is my hands have never been so soft from the sanitiser. When I finally get to wash my hands in water they are slimy from the build up of sanitiser. Our office is tiny and by the time someone is diagnosed new will all have been exposed.

At the end of the day I go home and hope I'm okay. If I catch it I probability will survive.  My family should be okay also. However I know if my parents who are in their 80's catch it it will most likely kill them.  When the max number was 10 was for funerals it would have made a dilemma if either died. It would mean the surviving spouse, 9 out of us 11 kids, no grandkids, no Great Grand kids and none of the spouses.

At the start of all this the plan was if it got bad, I'd move to the mother in law's and she would move to our house.

So the fact that a few people can't understand the basic, stay home if you are sick, and a large portion are trying to get on with their lives has me worried for us.  Doesn't help we are in winter as well

With our higher population density and the added risk of people coming from overseas I'm not surprised our numbers are higher than other states, (but still very low. )

I understand the border closures to  a small degree.  Maybe the federal govt, should have propped up Virgin and used their planes to rescue stranded Aussies and landed them in Qld.

[glenm64]

Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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[tryagain]

Appropriate.....

Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.

[Paddler Ed]

Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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Don't disagree.

However, how many repatriation flights are QLD getting compared to NSW and VIC? Its now at the point the govt need to say that window has closed, theres been an uptick in flights sufficient to get you back but there are now no more coming in.

When you look at the reasons people in that section gave for travelling, 1 was to see friends, 2 were to see parents.

Simple thing is, old people don't encourage your children to come and visit. Boomers stop blaming millenials for everything, you can say no to them travelling as well. That would have 2/3 of those travelling in that story.


Tough that they're not near you, but they're all adults. I saw my parents in March. I last saw them in 2018. Last saw the out laws in 2018 as well, and were due to have seen them last month. We might see them next year. We were due to see my Melbourne based brother next month/August. Is that going to happen? Quite probably not because it's just not worth the risk.

[glenm64]

I can travel to the east if really needed, I just cant freely re enter WA. Thats were we are helping ourselves.

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[GeoffA]

Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.

Have another look at it.

I think you have missed the point....

 

[GeoffA]

All this upheaval, and it's being extended.

I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....

[glenm64]

[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....
[/quote]
Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.
Now we are confident of containing the Rona, we are opening up.

Phase 4

27 June 2020

Western Australia’s COVID-19 restrictions will be relaxed even further, as WA’s roadmap is updated to complete the removal of all restrictions. Thats good for those who lost jobs.

Due to the world-leading response to COVID in WA, Phase 4 will start on Saturday, 27 June (11.59pm Friday, 26 June) and the following will apply: 

all existing gathering limits and the 100/300 rule removed gathering limits only determined by WA’s reduced 2sqm rule the 2sqm rule will only include staff at venues that hold more than 500 patrons removal of seated service requirements at food businesses and licensed premises no requirement to maintain patron register at food businesses and licensed premises alcohol can be served as part of unseated service arrangements all events permitted except for large scale, multi-stage music festivals unseated performances permitted at venues such as concert halls, live music venues, bars, pubs and nightclubs gyms operating unstaffed, but regular cleaning must be maintained the casino gaming floor reopening under agreed temporary restrictions.

For WA’s major sport and entertainment venues, a 50 per cent capacity rule will apply. Therefore, under Phase 4 the temporary capacity of Optus Stadium will be 30,633 for sport events (35,000 for concerts), HBF Park can hold 10,150 (16,500 for concerts), RAC Arena can hold 7150 (8250 for concerts).

 

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[GeoffA]

[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....

Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.

The whole point of the restrictions was to buy time for the hospital system to gear up for the expected onslaught.
It was not about trying to eradicate the virus. The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

 

[Bird]

The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...

[GeoffA]

Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...

Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....

[Bird]

Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....

its starting to feel that way

[Bigfish]

This is why Qld should keep its borders shut...
Some people are just a waste of space..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

[Kangaron]

After being tested, one is supposed to self isolate untill results are obtained.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 Vics tested in the last few days will self isolate.
That is, ISOLATE, in a room, on your own with no contact.
NOT,
swanning around the house with other family members.