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« Reply #2375 on: August 06, 2021, 07:04:58 AM »
I'd forgotten about the firies.... perfect example.  :cup:

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« Reply #2376 on: August 06, 2021, 07:29:46 AM »
Quote from: #jonesy on August 06, 2021, 06:25:12 AM
As for after we build a quaritine centres we will have it for other uses, like what?  And the upkeep on vacant buildings, who pays?

Might be interesting to see what our friends in the north come up with for the Howard Springs centre.
https://haveyoursay.nt.gov.au/village

My understanding of the proposed center at Toowoomba was just built with demountables and would be deconstructed just as quickly as it is built.
There’s plenty of mining camps just down the road that could do with some fresh accommodation.
Even if they left a scaled down version of the center on the site, it could easily be used as a stepping off point for FIFO workers in the gas fields.

Perhaps in hindsight, the family should have just got someone else to lodge the application on their behalf.
If the other Jonesy hadn’t noticed who was building this thing it would have been up and running by now and we would have 2 states (well one state and one territory) with actual quarantine facilities.
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« Reply #2377 on: August 06, 2021, 07:55:33 AM »
Quote from: #jonesy on August 06, 2021, 06:25:12 AM
Quaritine centres as the saviour might be too simplistic if you look at the stats

In June we hit 60,000 returned travellers.  Only about 2-3,000 through NT (about 5%). On that basis Tassie has had more and no outbreaks so they are possibly better.

You would have to dig a lot deeper in to the numbers and figure out the numbers of positives through each type of quaritine, to work out the risk of each type. 

Some of the earlier escapes were not foreseen, and have.since been rectified, eg having negative airpressure in the rooms.

As for after we build a quaritine centres we will have it for other uses, like what?  And the upkeep on vacant buildings, who pays?
Victoria has a desalination plant that was built to solve a drought, that was running after the rain started.  We are still paying for it to sit there waiting for the next drought


Hey Jonesy, you had me right up till the desalination plant analogy. Last year we used 125gl of desal water in Melbourne which is about 25% of total usage. I am not across how much water CUB needs for its brewing activities but I would suggest it fits into this 25%.Now who wants to put that in jeopardy?

 Most don't realise that we live in a marginal rainfall environment and at the current growth rate we need the desal plant to not only drought proof our city but to maintain the minimum requirement.
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« Reply #2378 on: August 06, 2021, 10:16:34 AM »
Quote from: rags on August 04, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
Your attitude is In no doubt a selfish one.

Quote from: rags on August 04, 2021, 09:24:18 PM
I’m sure when you are on your death bed and if a loved child was O/S you would hope they could come and give you one last hug. That would be the wish of most That can only happen through compassion of this country.

But isn’t that a selfish wish ?

I am with others there was plenty of notice given to those to come hone. Borders should have been tighter .
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« Reply #2379 on: August 06, 2021, 10:17:46 AM »
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2021, 04:07:46 AM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.

Great points
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« Reply #2380 on: August 06, 2021, 12:17:32 PM »
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on August 06, 2021, 04:07:46 AM
The anti maskers and anti vaxxers do my head in.

Maskers first.... i don't know anyone who wouldn't wear a mask for the following reasons.

Use a welder............................... Wear a mask..... Save your eyesight
Spray 2 pac paint........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Remove asbestos........................ Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Decompression @ 30,000 feet...... Wear a mask......Save your life.
Drive a septic pump out truck....... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch
Spray herbicides..........................Wear a mask..... Save your lungs.
Morgue/dead body retrieval.......... Wear a mask..... Save your lunch and anything else you can think of.
World wide virus......................... I'm not wearing no stinking mask and you can't make me.

Vaxxers.... your not stinking that needle in me.... people die from it and i don't know what's in it.

People die from anaesthetics every day..... you're asked to sign a form prior to an operation to that effect.
(I've been under, maybe 3 or 4 times in the last 4 or 5 years.)

So .... here's my plan.

As an anti vaxxer, you front up for the following, you do so with no needle or anaesthetic.

Having a tooth pulled, filled or root canal work done.
Broken bone being set, or pinned.
Colonoscopy.
Endoscopy.
Having a foreign object removed from your eye. 
The list goes on......

To the anti maskers again.....

YOUR REFUSAL TO WEAR A MASK IS NOT A NOBLE STATEMENT OF YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.
IT"S A PLAIN AND TELLING INDICATION,THAT YOU'RE A THOUGHTLESS, SELFISH ARSEHOLE.

YOUR MORONIC DISREGARD FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH IS JEOPARDISING EVERYBODY ELSE'S.

MASK UP..... SHUT UP..... FUKK OFF.

Give the camper the gold medal, we have a winner.
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« Reply #2381 on: August 06, 2021, 01:43:26 PM »
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« Reply #2382 on: August 07, 2021, 12:03:09 PM »
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« Reply #2383 on: August 07, 2021, 08:29:25 PM »
Just a different spin on border restrictions for return travellers.
I heard one story of an Australian and I am guessing Caucasian and lived in India for 20 years. When the first wave hit she Shit herself and tried to come home to family. In that case you have made your bed now lie in it.
On the other side of the coin there were/are people in the USA who when the government said consider coming home to do so but these people had jobs and visas and thought they were safe. With their jobs they had healthcare insurance and we know what that is like to have in the US. With their jobs they were able to have rented accomodation. After several months on thinking they were safe they then lost their job which in turn their employer funded healthcare. With no income no place to live. Now trying to get out of Dodge.
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« Reply #2384 on: August 08, 2021, 07:27:01 AM »
So, who else thinks, the S/E Qld lockdown will go another week?
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« Reply #2385 on: August 08, 2021, 08:22:07 AM »
To next Friday, perhaps.
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« Reply #2386 on: August 08, 2021, 10:11:00 AM »
Cairns in lock down.
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« Reply #2387 on: August 08, 2021, 10:29:23 AM »
We're coming out @ 4pm..... YAY
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« Reply #2388 on: August 08, 2021, 10:36:41 AM »
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So, who else thinks, the S/E Qld lockdown will go another week?
Dans already sayin the Vic one will be extended and we only just started.. good psychological warfare
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« Reply #2389 on: August 08, 2021, 05:32:39 PM »
Speaking to a few nurses they mentioned that even if you have had both shots and get covid they may not show any systems yet can still spread it. Hence they still have to isolate in lockdowns like everyone else.

My 2c worth is that they will never get rid of the strains. We will have to live with it for a very, very long time.

Taking this into account how much longer does everyone have to continue living in lockdowns.

There has to be a time that we all say enough is enough.

Questions:

What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.

What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...

What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.

It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.

Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.

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« Reply #2390 on: August 08, 2021, 06:12:41 PM »
We've been quoted 70-80%


By comparison look at USA, over 600,000 deaths or scaled down to Australian terms ~ 50,000.  Which large town are we happy to lose?

Or look at case per Million, and there aren't too many countries better than us, except NZ and of course China?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


I'm not liking it either but I'd prefer our model to the others.  Short quick lockdowns for me, rather than weeks of hoping things will magically get better
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« Reply #2391 on: August 08, 2021, 07:15:05 PM »
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What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.
Your last comment answers this


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What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...
Your last comment answers this


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What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.
Your last comment answers this


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It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.
Your last comment answers this

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Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.


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I'm not liking it either but I'd prefer our model to the others.  Short quick lockdowns for me, rather than weeks of hoping things will magically get better
while I agree... there has to be a point in time like Mark said - how long...

As I see it IMWO - this thing isnt going away.. Black plague lasted 6 odd yrs ..m I dont think I could last that long - and even worse for young people... Teens and 20somethings..


https://www.history.com/news/pandemics-end-plague-cholera-black-death-smallpox
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« Reply #2392 on: August 08, 2021, 07:26:51 PM »
Quote from: McGirr on August 08, 2021, 05:32:39 PM
Speaking to a few nurses they mentioned that even if you have had both shots and get covid they may not show any systems yet can still spread it. Hence they still have to isolate in lockdowns like everyone else.

My 2c worth is that they will never get rid of the strains. We will have to live with it for a very, very long time.

Taking this into account how much longer does everyone have to continue living in lockdowns.

There has to be a time that we all say enough is enough.

Questions:

What percentage do we need to have within the population being jabbed, to get back to normality.

What happens, if come Jan 2022, we are still having long lockdowns. What then...

What plans are in place for the next 1 to 3 years to live with covid.

It could take years to get zero outbreaks if that can ever happen.

Sorry to sound like a pessimist but I have not heard any thing that gives us confidence that anyone, Govt etc knows what it's doing.

Mark

Enjoying life in the NT


Well said Mark.   

Bottom line is we need to learn to live with it, sooner the better.    How to do that is the hard bit.  A look at how other Countries have done and go from there.   

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« Reply #2393 on: August 08, 2021, 10:02:22 PM »
Well you could say, learn to live with it, and learn to die with it... so many choices eh?
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« Reply #2394 on: August 08, 2021, 10:47:40 PM »
Better hope the China Virus, Dosent do a Jeckyl n hyde and mutate into  totaly " Vaccine " resistant strains ... Seems  as its already mutated through  a couple of different variants and able to infect fully jabbed people   .. Israel, UK  aswell as other countries and CDC data reporting .
It will be As that song goes " BBBaby You Aint Seen Nothin Yet " then .
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« Reply #2395 on: August 09, 2021, 05:47:03 AM »
Quote from: alnjan on August 08, 2021, 07:26:51 PM

Well said Mark.   

Bottom line is we need to learn to live with it, sooner the better.    How to do that is the hard bit.  A look at how other Countries have done and go from there.

Which countries do you think are the gold standard Al?
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« Reply #2396 on: August 09, 2021, 05:54:24 AM »
None.... they all have their own issues.
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« Reply #2397 on: August 09, 2021, 09:37:14 PM »
Quote from: plusnq on August 09, 2021, 05:47:03 AM
Which countries do you think are the gold standard Al?

All depends which way you look at it from. 

The Least Deaths
The Least Infections
The Least Lockdowns
The Least Economical Impact
The Least Lifestyle Impacts
etc etc

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« Reply #2398 on: August 09, 2021, 10:21:08 PM »
That’s a bit like the old project triangle.
Pick 2…

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« Reply #2399 on: August 10, 2021, 10:54:24 AM »
Exactly


Yet everyone seems happy to blame those trying to do what they think is the right thing to keep us all protected
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