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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2019, 06:45:01 PM »
Quote from: KathyL on May 06, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
As with most situations like this there are probably 3 sides to the story - the owner's, Bruder's and the truth ...

This. You can even tell a truthful but selective version of events that paints a very different version of reality.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2019, 07:23:26 PM »
Quote from: greentreck on May 06, 2019, 02:39:29 PM
There are 2 sides to every story and there is a lot more to this one.    Bruder EXP are in Brisbane and are happy to tell their side to anyone who is really interested.

Has anyone got a version of their reply ?

No matter what they say, you can't ignore the photos of the "bad" van !!
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2019, 07:32:26 PM »
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2019, 08:56:45 PM »
Quote from: KeithB on May 04, 2019, 10:15:37 PM
Just found this website on the thread on Exploreoz.
[url=http://www.bruderxworld.com]http://www.bruderxworld.com[/url]
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That website is down (for me), maybe he got his money back, or GICs lawyers go let loose on him!
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2019, 09:49:13 PM »
Quote from: TimE on May 07, 2019, 08:56:45 PM
That website is down (for me), maybe he got his money back, or GICs lawyers go let loose on him!

I just posted on Exploreoz asking him what happened to his website. Maybe he was threatened with legal action.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2019, 09:15:54 AM »
He says he got a whole load of legal threats and has taken the site down as part of the negotiating process in the hope of reaching a settlement before going to court.
Be interesting to see how it all goes.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 06:55:07 PM »
Quote from: KeithB on May 08, 2019, 09:15:54 AM
He says he got a whole load of legal threats and has taken the site down as part of the negotiating process in the hope of reaching a settlement before going to court.
Be interesting to see how it all goes.
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Similar thing has happened on this site. A company that is prepared to spend money on lawyers will always bluff a small bloke who either doesn't know how much he is allowed to say publically or he doesn't or can't spend money to fight the "big" guy !!

I have no doubt company X has built a thing with some serious faults, but instead of willingly fixing them, they risk damaging what good name they had by fighting it.  A lot of companies still fail to see the power of social media these days !!
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2019, 07:12:07 PM »
Quote from: gronk on May 08, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
Similar thing has happened on this site. A company that is prepared to spend money on lawyers will always bluff a small bloke who either doesn't know how much he is allowed to say publically or he doesn't or can't spend money to fight the "big" guy !!

I have no doubt company X has built a thing with some serious faults, but instead of willingly fixing them, they risk damaging what good name they had by fighting it.  A lot of companies still fail to see the power of social media these days !!

By the look of the house in the background of the ad pics, his location, the car he was towing with and the fact that he bought a Bruder in the first place, I am guessing he isn't short of coin. I suspect whilst there have obviously been some major issues, that have got him to the point of starting up a website about it, there is likely more to it than he has said. I wondered how long it would be until the lawyers got involved.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2019, 08:41:07 PM »
I was thinking about getting 1 of these but it might upset my asset limit for the pension   :'(
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2019, 04:14:14 PM »
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/judge-gags-facebook-admin-over-camper-trailer-on-lemon-page-20190723-p529v7.html
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2019, 08:06:44 AM »
https://magazine.rvdaily.com.au/en_US/15011/221239/van_buyer_sued_after_negative_review_.html

Interesting follow up!
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2019, 08:43:53 AM »
By this though, it may not yet be over ???

"Amendment: Since our publication of this news item, claims have been made via social media doubting the validity of the court judgement. RV Daily sought comment from Bruder Expedition Pty Ltd, and their legal team, however, none was forthcoming ... Pending any appeal by Mr Coles, the original decision stands despite social media commentary, that the hearing dates were not supplied to him preventing his appearance in court to defend the case"

Will be interesting to see what happens with the case against the Facebook Lemons group in October.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2019, 11:57:44 AM »
Quote from: Fizzie on August 21, 2019, 08:43:53 AM
By this though, it may not yet be over ???

Will be interesting to see what happens with the case against the Facebook Lemons group in October.

I think you have to be served so it would appear unlikely IMHO that he didn't know about it.

I woud think Tracey is pretty much screwed with this outcome, if the court has already found that the site was defamatory, then her sharing it would likely be found the same, but I am not a lawyer.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2019, 01:28:25 PM »
If theres a problem you should be able to tell others  about it so they can make up their own minds .. Gagging people convinces other people there is an issue .
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2019, 01:33:22 PM »
Quote from: edz on August 21, 2019, 01:28:25 PM
If theres a problem you should be able to tell others  about it so they can make up their own minds ..

You can still do that. 

In this case it appears things went a little further.

Generally three sides to any story, yours, theirs and the truth. 

Forget truth when it gets to Court as one Magistrate stated, "We are not here to get to the truth of the matter, we are here to prove beyond reasonable doubt."

If one party doesn't put a case forward then the balance of doubts can only lean one way.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2019, 03:06:58 PM »
Quote from: alnjan on August 21, 2019, 01:33:22 PM
You can still do that. 

In this case it appears things went a little further.

Generally three sides to any story, yours, theirs and the truth. 

Forget truth when it gets to Court as one Magistrate stated, "We are not here to get to the truth of the matter, we are here to prove beyond reasonable doubt."

If one party doesn't put a case forward then the balance of doubts can only lean one way.

Pretty well summed up!
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2019, 03:48:17 PM »
Beyond reasonable doubt applies to criminal law only.
In civil cases the magistrate determines the existence of contested facts, on the balance of probabilities.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2019, 05:50:47 PM »
Quote from: Kangaron on August 21, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
Beyond reasonable doubt applies to criminal law only.
In civil cases the magistrate determines the existence of contested facts, on the balance of probabilities.

Yep, my mistake, too use to Criminal matters
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2019, 08:11:51 PM »
Latest in the saga ...

https://rvdaily.com.au/bruder-expedition-wins-landmark-court-decision-against-lemon-caravans-and-rvs-australia-administrator/?fbclid=IwAR2lyKMJ3Kvwe18FxJ8XyRYHUGV1en_Um53m6Jijn5vNG5B7dsNJZzEdDI4
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2019, 09:57:28 PM »
Quote from: filcar on November 01, 2019, 08:11:51 PM
Latest in the saga ...

https://rvdaily.com.au/bruder-expedition-wins-landmark-court-decision-against-lemon-caravans-and-rvs-australia-administrator/?fbclid=IwAR2lyKMJ3Kvwe18FxJ8XyRYHUGV1en_Um53m6Jijn5vNG5B7dsNJZzEdDI4
Can't really say that I am surprised.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2020, 04:20:24 PM »
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2020, 04:58:40 PM »
Ordered to pay costs......that won't happen . She hasn't got any money !! Could probably pay it off at $20/week for the next 20 yrs !!

Even if I was flush with funds, I wouldn't buy this X brand of camper because of their handling ( or lack of ) of this and other complaints.
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2020, 04:58:59 PM »
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2020, 06:33:52 PM »
Quote from: gronk on February 02, 2020, 04:58:40 PM
Ordered to pay costs......that won't happen . She hasn't got any money !! Could probably pay it off at $20/week for the next 20 yrs !!

Even if I was flush with funds, I wouldn't buy this X brand of camper because of their handling ( or lack of ) of this and other complaints.

What other complaints have you heard, the only ones I have heard were from the original website which Charles took down and then was found guilty of telling lies (injurious falsehood) in absence.

In regard to Tracey Leigh, this article is interesting, I think what started out as trying to help people has developed into delusions of grandeur. If was Bruder I would be trying to protect my business as well, I was on the fence before the case went to court as it's always hard to know who to believe, but the outcome speaks for itself.

https://caravanandcampingaustralia.com/2019/11/03/leigh-guilty-of-deceptive-and-misleading-conduct-in-bruder-case/
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Re: Thinking of buying a Bruder?
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2020, 07:49:25 PM »
Quote from: tryagain on February 02, 2020, 06:33:52 PM
it's always hard to know who to believe, but the outcome speaks for itself.

https://caravanandcampingaustralia.com/2019/11/03/leigh-guilty-of-deceptive-and-misleading-conduct-in-bruder-case/

There were others on that facie site complaining about problems with brand X and lack of action regards fixing them.

The outcome of the court case points to someone who didn't desist when threatened with legal action.  It didn't mention whether the company did or didn't fix the problem(s) 1st reported that led to it all.
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