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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #800 on: July 28, 2023, 06:43:31 PM »
All the push to go Green, Am I stating the obvious?
Every day, there is a new electrical device,  appliance that needs electricity, and the push for electric vehicles.
Sure, energy efficiency has come leaps & bounds, but I can't get our 21 year old to turn a light off when he leaves a room. ??


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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #801 on: July 28, 2023, 07:20:51 PM »
Quote from: Hairs on July 28, 2023, 06:43:31 PM
All the push to go Green, Am I stating the obvious?
Every day, there is a new electrical device,  appliance that needs electricity, and the push for electric vehicles.
Sure, energy efficiency has come leaps & bounds, but I can't get our 21 year old to turn a light off when he leaves a room. ??


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been thinking along the same lines……compared to when we were kids/teenagers/young adults etc, the amount of electricity we used growing up compared to today’s homes in my mind is chalk and cheese. Driving through McMansion suburbs here is Mordor Mexico Victoria the amount of homes lit up like 7/11 petrol stations is staggering and dare I say wasteful and yet there appears to be this inherent attitude that it’s ok to leave the split system air conditioning / heating & lights on 24/7…
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #802 on: July 28, 2023, 07:42:39 PM »
Saw a promo for a new house fridge/freezer.
Ok, there is the knock on the glass door to see what's inside, I get that, cold air not falling out while people stare at what's in the fridge.
Well this sucker was WiFi connected, you can change the outside to match your decor.
While connected to your phone, it will read what mood you are in and change the colour of the inside, & play music to calm you, Like WTF.

So people will be charging cars, powering a 'Smart' home, auto temperature controlled, charging devices.
As power increases in cost.



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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #803 on: July 28, 2023, 11:44:25 PM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #804 on: July 29, 2023, 07:03:38 AM »
Quote from: DandyD on July 28, 2023, 06:34:10 PM
electric bin lorries

Noticed on the photo what's written on the truck windscreen: "Warning, Workers at rear"

So they obviously still have actual garbo's, that pick your rubbish bin up, & empty it into the truck!

When was the last time you saw one of them ???

I'm guessing late 70s - early-mid 80s ???

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #805 on: July 30, 2023, 07:53:53 AM »
Quote from: Fizzie on July 29, 2023, 07:03:38 AM
Noticed on the photo what's written on the truck windscreen: "Warning, Workers at rear"

So they obviously still have actual garbo's, that pick your rubbish bin up, & empty it into the truck!

When was the last time you saw one of them ???

I'm guessing late 70s - early-mid 80s ???

All they do is wheel wheelie bins to the rear. All the lifting and emptying is automated.

I did a stint as an old school bin man in the early 80s. I’ve never been so fit in my life.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #806 on: July 30, 2023, 11:28:09 AM »
Quote from: Fizzie on July 29, 2023, 07:03:38 AM
Noticed on the photo what's written on the truck windscreen: "Warning, Workers at rear"

So they obviously still have actual garbo's, that pick your rubbish bin up, & empty it into the truck!

When was the last time you saw one of them ???

I'm guessing late 70s - early-mid 80s ???
back then you'd end up finding ya bin 10 houses down the road and the bin lid in another postcode... LOL
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #807 on: July 30, 2023, 11:44:45 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 30, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
back then you'd end up finding ya bin 10 houses down the road and the bin lid in another postcode... LOL

...and we'd give 'em half a dozen stubbies at Christmas in gratitude...
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #808 on: July 30, 2023, 11:47:58 AM »
The MSM are beginning to notice the EV bubble has burst-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/why-used-electric-car-prices-are-falling-faster/ar-AA1ewV3B
Welcome to real depreciation again which has always been the biggest contributor to cents per km cost and 9% car finance rates won't be helping the cause.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #809 on: July 30, 2023, 03:09:20 PM »
What I would like to know is what and how does a EV owner help pay for road repair/works . The tax on fuel helps with this cost so where will the money come from if everyone is driving EV cars and trucks . The rego in queensland for a EV car is the same as a 4 cylinder so the EV rego wont pay the cost .
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #810 on: July 30, 2023, 05:15:35 PM »
Be prepared for a yearly kilometre based road tax, similar to what they have in NZ possibly.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #811 on: July 30, 2023, 05:48:20 PM »
Already happening in VIC, and they squealed like stuck pigs....

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/registration-fees/zlev-road-user-charge
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #812 on: July 30, 2023, 05:56:27 PM »
Quote from: duggie on July 30, 2023, 03:09:20 PM
What I would like to know is what and how does a EV owner help pay for road repair/works . The tax on fuel helps with this cost so where will the money come from if everyone is driving EV cars and trucks . The rego in queensland for a EV car is the same as a 4 cylinder so the EV rego wont pay the cost .
If all the fuel tax revenue went back to maintaining/upgrading our roads then we'd have much better roads to drive on. As its stands it just goes straight into general revenue.
Quick google search federal level:

transport infrastructure spending, including infrastructure spending on roads ($5.6 billion in 2019-20) and rail transport ($1.0 billion in 2019–20)

Australian motorists will pay over $13.7 billion in net fuel excise this financial year(2021-22), and $60.1 billion over the next four years (2022-23 to 2025-26), as forecasted in the October 2022 Federal budget. For a typical household, this year’s fuel excise bill will be $1,210


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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #813 on: July 30, 2023, 05:57:51 PM »
Quote from: shanegtr on July 30, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
If all the fuel tax revenue went back to maintaining/upgrading our roads then we'd have much better roads to drive on. As its stands it just goes straight into general revenue.
Agree.

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #814 on: July 30, 2023, 06:01:14 PM »
....and we were told Tatt's tickets were going to pay for hospitals.

That didn't last long either.....
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #815 on: July 30, 2023, 06:55:55 PM »
Quote from: Bird on July 30, 2023, 11:28:09 AM
back then you'd end up finding ya bin 10 houses down the road and the bin lid in another postcode... LOL

If you found it at all. On my first day I dropped one in the back of the wagon. It was a heavy bastard made out of half inch boiler plate riveted together but it still got chomped up like a bean tin.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #816 on: July 31, 2023, 12:22:23 AM »
Quote from: Pottsy on July 30, 2023, 05:15:35 PM
Be prepared for a yearly kilometre based road tax, similar to what they have in NZ possibly.
We could scrap it all for level playing field 'green' pneumatic tyre taxation-
https://www.team-bhp.com/news/tyre-pollution-rise-due-evs-says-new-study
That would certainly kill hooning stone dead but you'd really wince with a blowout or staking a tyre  :'(
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #817 on: July 31, 2023, 07:06:12 AM »
Quote from: duggie on July 30, 2023, 03:09:20 PM
What I would like to know is what and how does a EV owner help pay for road repair/works . The tax on fuel helps with this cost so where will the money come from if everyone is driving EV cars and trucks . The rego in queensland for a EV car is the same as a 4 cylinder so the EV rego wont pay the cost .

Quote from: shanegtr on July 30, 2023, 05:56:27 PM
If all the fuel tax revenue went back to maintaining/upgrading our roads then we'd have much better roads to drive on. As its stands it just goes straight into general revenue.
Quick google search federal level:

transport infrastructure spending, including infrastructure spending on roads ($5.6 billion in 2019-20) and rail transport ($1.0 billion in 2019–20)

Australian motorists will pay over $13.7 billion in net fuel excise this financial year(2021-22), and $60.1 billion over the next four years (2022-23 to 2025-26), as forecasted in the October 2022 Federal budget. For a typical household, this year’s fuel excise bill will be $1,210

Putting these two together, doing a quick search & punching some buttons ...

Apparently there are just over 20 million cars / light vehicles in Oz. $5.6 billion spent on roads / 20 million "cars" = $280 p.a. / car.

As of 1/7/23 Qld EV rego is $716.05, broken down into Registration $283.55, Traffic improvement fee $62.90, CTP $369.60.

So if they actually spent rego & TI on roads, you're pretty well covered.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #819 on: July 31, 2023, 05:41:39 PM »
Yes whatever the fire cause once an EV goes thermal runaway on a RoRo car carrier with a modicum of them onboard the whole ship and cargo is doomed so head for the lifeboats ASAP. Assuming there’s time to launch them free of the toxic fumes or heat or else you’ll need to jump into the sea and await rescue-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsO--Z2d2E
Don’t forget your life jacket with whistle and winky light of course and look out for others bobbing around before you with 30 metre plunges.

You only need to take a tour of such car carriers with their loading to realize that and we’re supposedly headed for 100% incendiary EVs on them in future-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzrHJp7csxA&t=2s
Even if you don’t fill the Fremantle Highway to its 6000 capacity naturally the cars have to be loaded bottom decks up and you’ll want a fair few of the heavy ones at the bottom. Now if brand new EVs can go up in smoke big time with minimal transit charge then you definitely do not want to be on a car and passenger ferry with aged ones of various states of care/repair with up to full charges on them.

With DFDS ferries they don’t even allow you to have a full or empty petrol/diesel can with your ICE car but only in the appropriate Regulated/Approved car fuel tank. They’re only thinking of your safety naturally-
https://www.dfds.com/en-gb/legal#:~:text=Terms%20and%20conditions,Russia%20and%20Asia.

Are you paying attention Minister Bowen before we have a Titanic type episode on the Bass Strait ferry etc?
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #820 on: July 31, 2023, 05:48:42 PM »
"Are you paying attention Minister Bowen before we have a Titanic type episode on the Bass Strait ferry etc?"

Bowen's a fool, and a dangerous fool believing in an ideology pushed by the Greens.
It's politically driven BS, he really thinks this is what people want.


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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #821 on: July 31, 2023, 06:04:33 PM »
Tried to up load a picture of cave men sitting around,
Caption, What do we do now, we've gone carbon neutral.

Tappatalk stops the upload,
"This is an adult image"

The world of WOKE has kicked in. :(

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #822 on: July 31, 2023, 06:15:12 PM »
I'd be a bit concerned sharing a multi-storey car park with EVs for the same reason.
I did read somewhere most of the multi-storey car parks were built to a standard for ICE vehicles and have not taken into account the extra weight of EVs thus raising questions on their structural integrity. 
Still alot of issues to work out.

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« Reply #823 on: July 31, 2023, 06:29:57 PM »
Champin,
I've mentioned before, the RFS have grave concerns for members that attend MVA'S that involve EV's
The whole dynamics of a motor vehicle accident has changed.

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #824 on: July 31, 2023, 06:46:40 PM »
Yeah I've seen how hard they are to extinguish.  I suppose there is the toxic fumes to consider too.

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