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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #775 on: May 08, 2023, 10:37:31 AM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #776 on: May 09, 2023, 06:17:09 AM »
Went to a CFA info session on EV fires a month or so ago.
Currently no endorsed procedures for extinguishing EV fires.
Pump on heaps of water to protect exposures, and repeat...............
If no exposures, may as well let it burn. At least if fully burnt out can't reignite, and not polluting waterways with contaminated water runoff.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #777 on: May 09, 2023, 02:53:25 PM »
EVs are actually far less likely to catch fire than ICE-powered cars and hybrids. Thus, the MOL policy may seem unusual in this regard. However, in the event a fire does break out, EV batteries burn more ferociously, are difficult to extinguish, and can also spontaneously reignite days after they are put out. Thus, the risk posed by EVs is understandable, and the hybrid exception perhaps makes some sense given the smaller batteries usually carried by these vehicles.

So MOL are saying no thanks to carrying used EVs-
https://www.thedrive.com/news/45112/car-shipping-giant-bans-used-evs-after-felicity-ace-sinking
and ultimately EV battery thermal runaway fire risk will show up with insurance premiums as well as the cost of doing business with them-
https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1141339/New-vessel-type-could-be-needed-to-carry-electric-vehicles
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #778 on: May 10, 2023, 02:41:04 PM »
One in four new cars bought by Australians could be electric as early as 2025 but governments should set a date for the end of petrol car sales to speed up the transition, energy experts recommend.

Australia also needs new policies to roll out vehicle chargers and put pressure on electric car prices, they say, and should recruit celebrities and sports stars to create the "biggest public mobilisation the nation has ever seen".

The recommendations come from a group of experts
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/calls-for-petrol-ban-to-speed-up-electric-swap/ar-AA1aXVG2

Seems there's too many ignorant trogs and not enough experts in these matters so that has to change  :4x4:
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #779 on: May 10, 2023, 02:56:22 PM »
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One in four new cars bought by Australians could be electric as early as 2025

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #780 on: May 10, 2023, 04:43:43 PM »
Not sure what that guy smoked but 1 in 4 electrical in 2025.
Must be an April Fools joke

Prodigurf raised a good point about depreciation, so I did a quick comparison using the Redbook.

2019 Tesla Model 3 Performance Auto AWD
When New $99,869
Average km 80,000
Trade-in $57,875 (42%)
Private $65,425 (34%)

2019 Audi S4 Auto quattro MY19
When New $99,900
Average km 55,000
Trade-in $59,750 (40%)
Private $67,350 (33%)

2019 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C43 AMG Auto 4MATIC
When New $108,241
Average km 55,000
Trade-in $67,825 (37%)
Private $75,925 (30%)

2019 BMW 3 Series M340i xDrive G20 Auto 4wd
When New $99,900
Average km 55,000
Trade-in $63,750 (36%)
Private $71,550 (28%)


Interesting comparison for me
1. The average km for the petrol vehicle are well below the Tesla
2. BMW holding value. I always thought that Merc will hold better than BMW
3. Yes, Tesla depreciation is higher but not that bad

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #781 on: May 11, 2023, 10:47:12 AM »
Over 4 years may not be to bad, give it another 3-4 and do the same comparison as batteries come towards end of life.


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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #782 on: May 11, 2023, 12:40:47 PM »
Quote from: lloydus67 on May 11, 2023, 10:47:12 AM
Over 4 years may not be to bad, give it another 3-4 and do the same comparison as batteries come towards end of life.


Sent from me
Also Redbook isnt as accurate as it used to be.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #783 on: May 11, 2023, 01:15:58 PM »
So, I've compared against Carsales

Tesla
Number for sale 22
Average km 54,826
Average price $74,096 (26%)

Audi
Number for sale 3
Average km 43,154
Average price $72,962 (27%)

Merc
Number for sale 18
Average km 52,482
Average price $84,429 (22%)

BMW
Number for sale 6
Average km 32,520
Average price $83,308 (17%)


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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #784 on: May 13, 2023, 11:49:08 AM »
Most will understand expensive/lux cars depreciate faster/more than bread and butter transport although many flipper/leasers of them enjoy tax deductibility to ease the pain. Now you can argue Redbook pricing lagged behind extraordinary events like Covid induced supply shortages once the sit down helicopter money was unleashed but nevertheless here's the rub with 4 year old base model Tesla Model3 and top of the line RAV4 hybrid you might be wanting to sell or trade now as a flipper/leaser-
https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2019-tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-auto/SPOT-ITM-523036?Cr=6
https://www.redbook.com.au/cars/details/2019-toyota-rav4-cruiser-auto-efour/SPOT-ITM-551472?Cr=1

Depreciation is always by far the biggest chunk of any cents per km running cost calculation when comparing vehicle choices but you wants to play you gots to pay-
https://www.racv.com.au/royalauto/transport/cars/car-running-costs-survey.html
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #785 on: May 13, 2023, 07:56:19 PM »
Tesla halts sale of right-hand-drive X and S models in UK with immediate effect

I suspect this will be the same for all RHD countries.

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/tesla-halts-sale-of-right-hand-drive-cars-in-uk-with-immediate-effect/284168
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #786 on: May 13, 2023, 09:52:50 PM »
Supply and demand

Similar to the Toyota stopping the Landcruiser 70.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #787 on: May 14, 2023, 07:25:49 AM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #788 on: May 15, 2023, 11:18:37 PM »
The next time you're bumper to bumper in peak hour off to park up for a day at the dark Satanic mills you just have to picture yourself like everyone else. All net zero in the EV and there waiting for you at your regular spot to plug in is the charger ready to avail yourself of the solar duck curve-
https://reneweconomy.com.au/california-duck-curve-now-a-canyon-as-grid-load-vanishes-in-the-midday-sun/

Well not unless you've paid for a whole heap of extra grid battery to store up the duck curve plus losses in order to charge by moonlight you will. They'd have to all be slow AC chargers unless you were playing musical cars at smoko and lunchtime with less superchargers. Whatever they've got that all worked out in Canberra by whenever they set net zero.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #789 on: May 16, 2023, 10:12:01 AM »
Quote from: DandyD on May 13, 2023, 07:56:19 PM
Tesla halts sale of right-hand-drive X and S models in UK with immediate effect

I suspect this will be the same for all RHD countries.

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/tesla-halts-sale-of-right-hand-drive-cars-in-uk-with-immediate-effect/284168
oh darn. :D  :4x4:
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #790 on: May 16, 2023, 04:29:50 PM »
Quote from: GeoffA on May 14, 2023, 07:25:49 AM
I'm shattered....

I was also shattered, hoping to trade my LC76 in for a new one before the V8 is discontinued but sounds like the V8 will live on.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #791 on: May 31, 2023, 06:06:14 PM »
Won't take long for insurance companies to work it out-
https://insideevs.com/news/669752/rich-rebuilds-rivian-r1t-damage-repair-cost/
That's USD and although Teslas may have separate panels there is their alloy gigacasting that could cost dearly.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #792 on: July 04, 2023, 09:07:43 AM »
strong customer reluctance VW call it now- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYI_vLYDk0
and on Carsales here there's a lot of 2019 Tesla M3s not moving as early adopters work out they have to take a $26k plus haircut now to sell.
EV FOMO is definitely dead and buried and 9% car loans has certainly shifted consumers back to total cost of ownership again.
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #793 on: July 27, 2023, 05:10:59 PM »
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #794 on: July 28, 2023, 05:22:21 AM »
Quote from: Bird on July 27, 2023, 05:10:59 PM
They double as heaters... Bad Scott... challenge is on... Lets see if you can beat this fire.... :D

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/huge-ship-fire-off-dutch-coast-blamed-on-electric-vehicle/news-story/659c11d3cb257523ffd9413275f2a42c

Another one, this is the 3rd ship that I've heard of
The shipping company's will stop carrying them soon, of insurance will price them out
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #795 on: July 28, 2023, 06:52:46 AM »
As to when they may actually start to become affordable to normal people ::):

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2023-07-27/heres-when-used-second-hand-electric-vehicles-evs-get-affordable/102610276

Still no mention of the EV that can tow a 2.5t van at highway speed, with 450k range though :-\ (& that's what the Terrorist will do! ;D 8))
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #796 on: July 28, 2023, 10:12:54 AM »
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The shipping company's will stop carrying them soon, of insurance will price them out

Hope so... then things can get back to normal...
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #797 on: July 28, 2023, 04:25:37 PM »
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Hope so... then things can get back to normal...
Define normal ;)

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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #798 on: July 28, 2023, 06:30:45 PM »
And in sort of related news  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-28/victoria-bans-gas-new-homes-housing-developments-emissions/102659636

But if electric heating, cooking is so much cheaper than natural gas why does government have to force the change?
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Re: Interesting read on electric cars
« Reply #799 on: July 28, 2023, 06:34:10 PM »
Council has been using diesel generators to charge electric bin lorries

Cardiff Council has confirmed it has been using diesel generators to charge some of its electric bin lorries. The local authority has been using Dennis Eagle eCollect electric waste collection vehicles since 2021 to further transition its fleet away from diesel and to aid its mission to achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2030.



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