Interesting read on electric cars

[KevL]

That too. But need still applies.


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[lloydus67]

Sorry, I shall explain my thoughts. The first "Production" ICE was manufactured in 1876 and the first "Production" vehicle (Mr. Daimler) in 1886. A ten year learning curve.
The first mass produced battery, the Columbia, was out in 1896. The first, proper, massed produced, electric car, with a range of 350 km, was by GM, in 1996. A one hundred year span.
I'm not gainsaying you, just pointing out that the ICE vehicle appears to have been more adaptive, in a shorter time, than the electric vehicle.
Perhaps a matter of efficient benefits over less than efficient commercial and political processes.

Maybe not an electric car, but certainly able to carry a couple of ton and 3 passengers, well 2 and a driver.
The electric milk float has been around in the uk since the 50’s it would run from about 2am until about  8am. 6 hours solid load lugging and still capacity to get back to the yard.
Lloyd


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[alnjan]

I wonder when the ICE was introduced and with all the talk from the horse and cart brigade, was there a Government in the day mandating the percentage of motor vehicles will be sold compared to horse drawn buggies/carts and sulkies? 

[Pottsy]

I wonder when the ICE was introduced and with all the talk from the horse and cart brigade, was there a Government in the day mandating the percentage of motor vehicles will be sold compared to horse drawn buggies/carts and sulkies?

Yes that’s one of the issues for me, the government mandates and even the financial sector now setting dates where they will no longer provide loans on ICE vehicles etc.

[Fizzie]

setting dates where they will no longer provide loans on ICE vehicles etc.

Yep, that's the one that has me a bit concerned

We usually keep our cars for 10-15 years, so we'd probably be looking at replacing the Terrorist somewhere around 2030 - that's going to be a absolutely great time to be trading in a diesel powered AWD with a great tow capacity!

[Steffo1]

Maybe not an electric car, but certainly able to carry a couple of ton and 3 passengers, well 2 and a driver.
The electric milk float has been around in the uk since the 50’s it would run from about 2am until about  8am. 6 hours solid load lugging and still capacity to get back to the yard.
Lloyd


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Sort of what I'm getting at. No great improvement on 6 hours, in 70 years, as far as I can see.
I'd love an EV with the same same range as my Landy, but at the moment, considering where I live, any available EV is impractical.
I just think that the whole mandate thing has not been seriously thought through, or addressed, by suitably qualified, engineering type, persons.

[Bird]

I just think that the whole mandate thing has not been seriously thought through

thats not unusual... its just a vote winning statement...

[Hairs]

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[KevL]

https://thedriven.io/2022/01/14/from-rv-to-ev-new-electric-caravan-system-targets-towing-anxiety/amp/

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/10/dethleff-introduces-the-e-home-caravan-a-self-powered-camping-trailer/amp/

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[KevL]

I just think that the whole mandate thing has not been seriously thought through

What mandate thing?
As far as I know or can find there are no EV mandates in Australia.


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[Fizzie]

Not yet, but they're certainly saying no more ICE cars after 2030 (? - may be 2035?)

[NZMarkb]

Not yet, but they're certainly saying no more ICE cars after 2030 (? - may be 2035?)

I'd take a bet that that won't happen 

[Steffo1]

What mandate thing?
As far as I know or can find there are no EV mandates in Australia.


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I know it's hard to believe, but the ACT is part of Oz.
Perhaps I should have used the term "Ban" instead of "Mandate", sorry. 

[KevL]

I know it's hard to believe, but the ACT is part of Oz.
Perhaps I should have used the term "Ban" instead of "Mandate", sorry. 

I’m still not seeing anything mandated or banned.

They have a strategy and targets and incentives.
No one is being forced to do anything.


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[paceman]

I’m still not seeing anything mandated or banned.

They have a strategy and targets and incentives.
No one is being forced to do anything.


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The ACT is banning sales of ICE vehicles by 2035.

Sure sounds like a ban to me.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/official-act-to-ban-ice-cars-from-2035/


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[KevL]

Do you think there’ll be no improvement in EV’s by 2035?
A significant number of European countries are banning ICE’s from 2030.
How many companies will still be making ICE’s by 2035?
Keep in mind not all categories of vehicles are included in these plans.
By 2035 will anyone want to buy an ICE vehicle, even if they’re still available?
The capability of vehicles by then will make todays cars look primitive.
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath, relax.


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[paceman]

You said there was no ban coming.

There is.

That’s all I was commenting on.

EV’s might get there for city travelling.  Regional and rural has a long way to go.

Not to mention Australia’s grid is nowhere near able to handle even a 20-30% increase in EV’s.


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[lukeycat]

You said there was no ban coming.

There is.

That’s all I was commenting on.

EV’s might get there for city travelling.  Regional and rural has a long way to go.

Not to mention Australia’s grid is nowhere near able to handle even a 20-30% increase in EV’s.


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Regional vic is pretty impressive when it comes to EV charging stations etc we are in western Victoria near the SA border and the amount of Tesla and other EVs is quite surprising have a family member who has a model 3 Tesla who routinely travels to Melbourne etc without issue, might be a bit harder in other states where the distances are a bit greater but it’s amazing the growth in the last 5 years, most EV owners are not 100% reliant on the grid with home solar etc so the perceived grid pressure is probably not as bad as it’s seems.


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[Hairs]

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[gronk]

Regional vic is pretty impressive when it comes to EV charging stations etc we are in western Victoria near the SA border and the amount of Tesla and other EVs is quite surprising have a family member who has a model 3 Tesla who routinely travels to Melbourne etc without issue, might be a bit harder in other states where the distances are a bit greater but it’s amazing the growth in the last 5 years, most EV owners are not 100% reliant on the grid with home solar etc so the perceived grid pressure is probably not as bad as it’s seems.


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Unless the EV owners are charging during the day, when there is sunlight, and they have solar panels, then grid pressure is not there.
BUT, most charge during the night…or when they come home from work, which if it’s early evening, is when grid pressure will be at it’s greatest.

[prodigyrf]

Nothing wrong with EVs as long as you understand what Elon does and the likes of Ford are catching onto-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/ford-needs-insanely-great-evs-because-people-don-t-care-about-going-green/ar-AA12CpFX

As far as budget EVs go it's hard to make a profit on them-
https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/chinese-carmakers-struggling-to-make-profit-off-evs/
Which is no doubt why BYD are targetting Western markets with their world leading blade battery technology-
https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/byd-lifts-prices-for-atto-3-models-ruled-out-for-nz/

That's because they can raise prices as demand for battery resources seriously outstrips supply. That's true to some extent for ICE makers too at present particularly with chip supply as our cars become ever more digitally safer and that gets mandated.(ANCAP ratings aren't all about crash testing now) However with batteries costing the price of making an ICE naturally EVs come in lux spec with all the tech bells and whistles to satisfy upmarket buyers. At some stage that market will plateau and it will be far short of 50% of vehicle sales as no Gummint can subsidize all of us as that's a zero sum game.

[spadge]

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/ldv-et60-details-on-australias-first-ev-ute

[Pottsy]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hurricane-ian-floods-are-causing-electric-vehicles-to-burst-into-flames-200639.html.

Causing the odd issue.

[Bird]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/hurricane-ian-floods-are-causing-electric-vehicles-to-burst-into-flames-200639.html.

Causing the odd issue.

[Fizzie]

australias-first-ev-ute

"uses a big 88.5kWh battery enabling a claimed, WLTP-rated driving range as high as 330km.

The battery powers a motor with 150kW of power and 310Nm of torque, and the eT60 is only available in 4×2 (rear-wheel drive) guise. It’s also rated to tow up to 1500kg, which is half what the 160kW and 500Nm diesel is rated to haul.

The NZ model’s payload is listed as 750kg, given kerb weight is 2300kg and GVM is 3050kg."

What, as a direct replacement for the Subaru Brumby

Meanwhile: "we get an indicative Australian price of the eT60 of about $70,000 here."

Don't think they're going to sell too many of them