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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2019, 10:08:43 PM »
I didn't think we refined any of 'our' crude anymore, that it was all sent overseas so we had to pay more for it to get it back. 
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2019, 10:14:48 PM »
Quote from: gronk on January 05, 2019, 08:08:32 AM
And that's another topic......if we only import 1/2 of our diesel, why are we paying full market price for it ?
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IPP....Import Parity Pricing.... was adopted years ago.

Locally produced oil is priced to match the global market.
The intent being to keep it here, rather than it being sold on the open market.
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2019, 10:40:23 PM »
Quote from: xcvator on January 05, 2019, 08:45:28 PM
WTF, again, why ?

Oh hell.. Here goes...... With the pump and injectors that I'm running, it works for me... I can remember a time when we shoved moth balls into the fuel tank...
Mind you,, the moths used to get pretty pissed off about it..  ;-)..
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #53 on: January 06, 2019, 12:39:36 AM »
Poor quality or contaminated fuel is usually  99% of the time cause by transport or site storage.  Pick your servo, not the brand of servo.  A newish, busy servo with high turnover is a safer bet.

14 years (& 300,000km) in a mechanical injected diesel and I've never been able to spot the difference between brands.

After 5 months and 17,000km in a brand new Dmax. I've been using Shell 95% of the time. 6-7 tanks has been the more expensive 'premium' diesel.
Still can't spot a difference and economy hasn't changed a bit...


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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2019, 04:53:40 AM »
Quote from: alnjan on January 05, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
I didn't think we refined any of 'our' crude anymore, that it was all sent overseas so we had to pay more for it to get it back.

Think the IOR refinery is located where it is to refine Jackson oilfield crude or whereever it comes from out there.  Not sure about the other four refineries.

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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2019, 05:41:16 AM »


Quote from: alnjan on January 05, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
I didn't think we refined any of 'our' crude anymore, that it was all sent overseas so we had to pay more for it to get it back.

I thought this was the case.



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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2019, 06:45:55 AM »
Not trying to be a smart arse here but if some people are running refined cooking oil in their diesels, is the quality of pump fuel really  that much of an issue? As I said in a previous post, driving habits seem to have more of an influence on economy than brand of fuel.
As for the price I pay at the pump, I have no control over that (way above my pay grade), but I've figured the difference between $1.30/ltr and $1.40/ltr is only $7.00. I use around a tank and a half per week so that equates to not enough to get my panties in a twist over.


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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2019, 07:31:32 AM »
Quote from: alnjan on January 05, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
I didn't think we refined any of 'our' crude anymore, that it was all sent overseas so we had to pay more for it to get it back.

Quote from: KingBilly on January 05, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
An estimated 91 per cent of Australia's transport fuel (petrol and diesel) is imported either as oil to be refined in Australia or as refined fuel products.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Rural_and_Regional_Affairs_and_Transport/Transport_energy_resilience/Report/c02

I guess from the above link that Australia refines about 9% of its total transport fuel from Australian sourced crude oil.  But that is just a guess, I couldn’t find a link to confirm this.

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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2019, 07:48:44 AM »
Quote from: Champin on January 06, 2019, 06:45:55 AM
Not trying to be a smart arse here but if some people are running refined cooking oil in their diesels, is the quality of pump fuel really  that much of an issue? As I said in a previous post, driving habits seem to have more of an influence on economy than brand of fuel.
As for the price I pay at the pump, I have no control over that (way above my pay grade), but I've figured the difference between $1.30/ltr and $1.40/ltr is only $7.00. I use around a tank and a half per week so that equates to not enough to get my panties in a twist over.

Not sure if recycled cooking oil is the best option for a modern common rail diesel but your point is certainly valid.

For example, 15,000 km per year @ 10 litres per 100km equals 1500 litres per year.  Say you pay an extra 10 cents per litre to buy BP instead of Liberty, that is a saving of only $150/year or only $2.90 a week.  Not a deal breaker for me, less than a cup of coffee, and I really don’t have the time to be chasing all over town to save that $2.90.  I do acknowledge however that $2.90/week may be significant if you are struggling.


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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2019, 08:04:33 AM »
Quote from: kylarama on January 06, 2019, 12:39:36 AM
Poor quality or contaminated fuel is usually  99% of the time cause by transport or site storage.  Pick your servo, not the brand of servo.  A newish, busy servo with high turnover is a safer bet.


Probably good advice but I picked up crook fuel at a large newish frantically busy fuel station on the Hume Hwy @ Mickleham
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2019, 08:10:25 AM »
Quote from: Alan Loy on January 06, 2019, 08:04:33 AM
Probably good advice but I picked up crook fuel at a large newish frantically busy fuel station on the Hume Hwy @ Mickleham

Just after the tanker had been and stirred up all the crap in the bottom of the tanks???

Bit hard to work around that though unless you happen to be there at the same time as the tanker and not 2 minutes after it has driven off.

I have been told that service stations have filters on their fuel lines betwen the tanks and bowsers.  If that is correct, and it is a high turnover servo, then maybe their filter maintenance is a bit slack.  Wonder of anybody can confirm if there are filters?

KB
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2019, 11:24:10 AM »
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2019, 10:14:47 PM »
Hey Bird... Do you poke your finger at funnel web spiders as well???...  :-)  ;-)
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2019, 07:23:57 AM »
Quote from: Brisbane Puff on January 06, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
Hey Bird... Do you poke your finger at funnel web spiders as well???...  :-)  ;-)
why back in my day we used to eat funnel webs while walking 50 miles through snow barefeet while pushing a wheelbarrow to school....
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2019, 08:55:12 AM »
Ok - thanks to all who took the trouble to respond.
Certainly opened up a few cans of worms and a few point for me to consider.
Was talking to someone who did the same trip at around the same time and he thought the wind would blow the dog off a chain. Normally I'd do the bulk of the trip in the early hours of the morning rather than middle of the day so suspect (on reflection) the cause was driving into a head wind.
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2019, 09:10:22 AM »
Quote from: Brisbane Puff on January 05, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
Fast running out of popcorn here..

Time to chill out...
Quote from: Brisbane Puff on January 06, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
Hey Bird... Do you poke your finger at funnel web spiders as well???...  :-)  ;-)
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2019, 10:20:25 PM »
Quote from: macca on January 07, 2019, 09:10:22 AM
Its OK, Bruce and Keefy are just like brothers

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Yeah, but so were the Soparano's and for that matter,,, the Corleone's ....  ;-)... (damn,l I cant seem to get the emojis to work)...
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2019, 07:30:16 AM »
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2019, 01:02:35 PM »
Quote from: KingBilly on January 06, 2019, 08:10:25 AM

I have been told that service stations have filters on their fuel lines betwen the tanks and bowsers.  If that is correct, and it is a high turnover servo, then maybe their filter maintenance is a bit slack.  Wonder of anybody can confirm if there are filters?

KB

One of my mates owns a small servo and before Xmas he was telling me how he was getting his tanks professionally cleaned.  That meant getting each take fully drained so any water/gunk is removed and then fresh fuel put in.

Not a cheap exercise, but he is trying to get a reputation of selling quality fuel.
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
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Re: Is all diesel equal??
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2019, 10:57:34 AM »
What about Petrol ???
https://au.news.yahoo.com/drivers-furious-service-station-sells-petrol-made-mostly-water-235700519.html
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