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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2018, 08:38:54 AM »


The reality is most just go to a caravan park , maybe to the Flinders Ranges or the Cape . These are not hard core off road tourers.



I think 99% have always done that. I'm trying to think where there are any hard core places that you would take a camper to ?? Maybe 100m down a side track to a creek or something.

Hard core offroad is really some of the long inland "roads" with endless corrugations that test out the structural integrity of the camper ( or van ).......something which will test out the strength of the chassis and suspension.
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2018, 08:43:23 AM »
I think 99% have always done that. I'm trying to think where there are any hard core places that you would take a camper to ?? Maybe 100m down a side track to a creek or something.

Hard core offroad is really some of the long inland "roads" with endless corrugations that test out the structural integrity of the camper ( or van ).......something which will test out the strength of the chassis and suspension.

Agreed I've seen a couple of destroyed imports on severely corrugated roads, although I think some of them are more a result of owner error with tyre pressures etc. I've never had tighten anything on the kk after long correlated drives just drop the pressures a bit and don't try and break any speed records. There's a few tracks we have done in the vic high country with the camper on that I wouldn't be too keen on doing with an import to.


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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2018, 07:02:48 PM »
Yup , that’s the ones , loooooong off-road touring .
Mostly done by KK ,Cub,complete campsite - and the ones that have closed in the last couple of months , Aussie Swag and Pioneer .
Now those customers will either choose a patriot on a roof or trailer or a Swag , maybe go to a Hybrid
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2018, 07:18:52 PM »
The list is a bit longer than that, eg. you can still buy Outback Sturts  :laugh:

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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2018, 08:17:24 PM »
Yes , your right , and they are fantastic !
Go any where , well made , well supported - would recomend  happily to anyone looking for a great trailer .
I first wanted one in 1994 ,it took me a while to get one ... and still have one - I’m finding it hard to upgrade as their isn’t anything that really grabs me .
I like the Pioneer Mitchell - no longer made .
TVan are super ( a mate just bought one mark 5 ) but a large investment , I would have to go away a lot to justify the purchase .

It’s a tough market , both for the manufacturers and potential purchasers. Highly competitive and exceptionally crowded
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2018, 08:50:46 PM »
Australia is still riding on the mining boom - even though the boom has just about ended, the currency hasn't quite stopped riding that wave.

In the early 1990's the Aussie $ was in the low to mid 70's against the US$, mid 90's it was sitting in the mid to high 70's, and late 90's it was the high 50's to low 60's. At those rates, importing would be pretty expensive.


Pre 9/11 and the Aussie was in the low 50's to the US$, after that it started to rise quite steadily.... mid 2000's it was mid 70's, pre GFC it was in the 90's, and then took a bit of a drop (0.96 to 0.65 in 4 months!). By the start of 2010 it was back up to 0.91, and has stayed at that sort of level through the mining boom of the next few years (with a spike to parity, starting in late 2010 and all through 2011 and a chunk of 2012) Starting to drop in 2013 it's been gradual all through to now and is settling at around the 0.78 mark.

Now why is that important? The Chinese Yuan (Rimbini) is a pegged currency that is kept artificially low against the US$, and therefore Chinese imports are priced in US$ first...

If the Aussie $ makes American stores look cheap, then imports are going to be cheap - if American stores look expensive, then Chinese imports are going to be expensive...


As soon as the dollar drops to the lower side of 70, even into the high 60's, watch the imports get close to the domestically made things before the price point makes quality drop a bit... but it might not be the quality of the manufacture, it'll be the accessories that come (or don't) with it. I've seen it happen with mountain bikes over the years, you get a good year sometimes depending on the currency, and other years they might not be as well specc'd without a 10% price rise, and a move to the next price point.

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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2018, 08:56:53 PM »
Australia is still riding on the mining boom - even though the boom has just about ended, the currency hasn't quite stopped riding that wave.

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That boom ended in approx 2014, but mining is on the up and up at the moment and maybe not another boom yet, but don't discount it..
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2018, 09:24:29 PM »
That boom ended in approx 2014, but mining is on the up and up at the moment and maybe not another boom yet, but don't discount it..

The construction boom may have ended, but the amount of minerals leaving the country hasn't exactly slowed.

Yes, mining is up a bit, but it might be to less of an extent. Ag exports are also growing though, so there are some interesting competing interests there.

However, as long as that is the case, then the chances of any manufacturing building up speed is minimal...

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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2018, 11:37:08 PM »
Some regulation in the industry would be a good thing.  You only have to walk through any camping and 4WD show to see that the market is flooded with dozens of brands - high end local manufacturers, cheap imports, backyard manufacturers and everything in between. 

When researching campers last year it became painfully obvious that the Achilles heel of most manufacturers, even prominent high end ones, was their inability to properly service and support their product nationwide.  That was the main factor in us deciding on a local manufacturer instead of a high profile east coast one.

As with any product, when the price is in five figures, and sometimes closer to six, consumers expect it to come with a certain level of service.  For the most part that’s not the case in the camper market, and that represents a huge risk to what, for many people, will be the third or even second most expensive item they will ever own.
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2018, 02:20:03 PM »
if i was after a camper today i reckon it would be a second hand Outback Sturt or another old-school Aussie product. Nothing flash, built to do a job, seems to be unbreakable, and i think they are still built to the same design today. Mine is almost 20 years old and I could have bought sixteen of them for what my mate paid for his hybrid. I hope companies like this will be able to carry on, and they deserve to, but i think the definition of a camper has changed a lot over the last 20 years. And I can still get service, spares (like decals, nothing has broken) and advice from the manufacturer.
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2018, 04:34:35 PM »
Yes , your right , and they are fantastic !
Go any where , well made , well supported - would recomend  happily to anyone looking for a great trailer .
I first wanted one in 1994 ,it took me a while to get one ... and still have one - I’m finding it hard to upgrade as their isn’t anything that really grabs me .
I like the Pioneer Mitchell - no longer made .
TVan are super ( a mate just bought one mark 5 ) but a large investment , I would have to go away a lot to justify the purchase .

It’s a tough market , both for the manufacturers and potential purchasers. Highly competitive and exceptionally crowded
We moved from an Outback to a Tvan.  It was the setup/packup time that induced the move.

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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2018, 05:44:33 PM »
I'd like one of these if they werent so ****in heavy
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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2018, 08:30:13 AM »
I'd prefer a caravan over a hybrid anyday. BUT
The likes of the Gibson, Kimberly from trakmaster, 16ft bushtracker and the likes,  all have a hercules heal. And this is where i personally think hybrids come into play which i agree are way alot of $$$.
That hercules heal in most  "caravan is it width.
1. There overall width and then the wheel track.
 Most are give take 2.2m/ 2.4m wide and travel on a much wider foot print  then most 4wd..pain in t butt in tight stuff and worse bulldust and sand..
This alone puts them off my radar (at the present), couldn't afford a hybrid so ended up with a hardfloor camper. Untill the wife had enough anyway.



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Re: Interesting read on future of AU Camper manufacturing
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2018, 09:27:55 AM »
I'd prefer a caravan over a hybrid anyday. BUT
The likes of the Gibson, Kimberly from trakmaster, 16ft bushtracker and the likes,  all have a hercules heal. And this is where i personally think hybrids come into play which i agree are way alot of $$$.
That hercules heal in most  "caravan is it width.
1. There overall width and then the wheel track.
 Most are give take 2.2m/ 2.4m wide and travel on a much wider foot print  then most 4wd..pain in t butt in tight stuff and worse bulldust and sand..
This alone puts them off my radar (at the present), couldn't afford a hybrid so ended up with a hardfloor camper. Untill the wife had enough anyway.



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Bingo. For me to buy even a pop up camper I would have to give up where I go camping. I get the rearfold through there - just (1800mm wide). I'm happy to stick with a camper/hybrid and also happy that there's no vanners following me. If anyone wants to meet up on some 'hard' track they take their camper and they don't think my import will survive, I'd be happy to oblige. It's already done plenty.