Golden Triangle Land Grab

[Fizzie]

Or fishing, shooting or even collecting fallen firewood, let alone dropping trees

[Muckinhell]

Done

[prodigyrf]

Done with a donation as the really old folks and handicapped need access to the great outdoors too 

[xcvator]

And this is the main man behind it, note that he has ONLY ACCADEMIC qualifications, not real life

https://federation.edu.au/faculties-and-schools/faculty-of-education-and-arts/staff-profiles/fellows/chris-meddows-taylor

[Steffo1]

I don't see how miners, who, in those days, probably degraded the land they were working & mining, can be put into the same category as these sites!
Unless I'm missing something here.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_Australia
Steve

[Fizzie]

Signed btw

[Paddler Ed]

I don't see how miners, who, in those days, probably degraded the land they were working & mining, can be put into the same category as these sites!
Unless I'm missing something here.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_Australia
Steve

In the same vein though, Ironbridge Gorge in the UK is a world heritage site... so it's a funny one.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

It's in the same vein as NED KELLY.
How does a stand over man, Bushranger, Murderer, qualify to be a National Hero.

[GROB]

Signed

[drenno]

Signed!

Our elected representatives need to understand just because they may not enjoy the pursuits that are currently able to be undertaken in these areas, does not mean that;
1. They have the right to close them
2. That their opinion is that of the people
3. The area may only be utilised by a minority of the population of Australia, but minority groups should not be discounted or discriminated against!

[arjay]

Signed
We are having a similar issue with elected representatives wanting to narrow Beach rd at Mordialloc for the Baytrail.
It will save 0.15 hectares of scrub.
Just dumb.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

To be listed as a World Heritage Site, isn't there a requirement that 'the Site' is maintained in the condition that made it a Heritage item.

That means we'd have to clear fell a hell of a lot of it and build lots and lots of little shanty and tent towns all over the place.  Right?

Well Mother Nature won't sit still for that one will she.

[Nomad]

Theres talk of it in Noosa to. The boffins who want it want to extend it from Fraser south to the bottom of the Noosa Shire.
We are already a biosphere, which no one really understands already.
In my meetings with Council they reckon we don't stand a chance for an environmental listing but potentially a cultural listing.

Personally I don't want another layer of bureaucracy over us.......and I will happily drive any of the people judging the application up and down the beach showing them just how degraded the area is and how non pristine it is once you get up in the sand dunes.........

[prodigyrf]

And this is the main man behind it, note that he has ONLY ACCADEMIC qualifications, not real life

https://federation.edu.au/faculties-and-schools/faculty-of-education-and-arts/staff-profiles/fellows/chris-meddows-taylor

"Capabilities and experience which Chris offers includes being a highly experienced executive, change leader and consultant with key interests and strong capability in public administration and machinery of government,"

Another effing taxeating nanny-stater. As soon as you hear 'change' you know it's another damn restless lefty wanting to tell you what to do and exactly how you're gunna do it.

[Bigfish]

"Capabilities and experience which Chris offers includes being a highly experienced executive, change leader and consultant with key interests and strong capability in public administration and machinery of government,"

Another effing taxeating nanny-stater. As soon as you hear 'change' you know it's another damn restless lefty wanting to tell you what to do and exactly how you're gunna do it.

These are exactly the same qualifications to be a wanker....

[Claws]

signed

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

"Capabilities and experience which Chris offers includes being a highly experienced executive, change leader and consultant with key interests and strong capability in public administration and machinery of government,"

Another effing taxeating nanny-stater. As soon as you hear 'change' you know it's another damn restless lefty wanting to tell you what to do and exactly how you're gunna do it.

Translation = Con Man with lots of experience at fooling people.

[Troopy_03]

Not for me, living in the area I have my reasons, and support the heritage listing

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, because I'm not having a go at you, but can you illuminate the reasons why it is a good thing? From reading the article, and having only limited familiarity with the area, I don't understand what they are trying to preserve. Is it particular remains of historical settlements and mining? If so why don't they just put in measures to protect the particular sites?

To me, and probably to a lot of others, it is difficult to understand why they just decide to close off such a large swag of land to "preserve the heritage" of the area. If you have information that supports the heritage listing bid, that us non-locals aren't privy to, it would give people something to think about before blindly signing petitions.

AS yet, I haven't signed the petition, due to lack of fully understanding the situation.

[xcvator]

Here is a bit of an update on what's happening, cut and pasted from a prospecting forum.

The Central Goldfield Branch has just secured Mr. Tim Miller who is employed at the Office of "Jaala Pulford MP
Member of the Legislative Council for the Western Victorian Region.
Minister for Agriculture, and Regional Development and the
Deputy Leader of the Legislative Council."
Mr Miller will be at our Branch meeting next Wednesday night the 17th. to explain what is really happening with this proposed World Heritage Park thing for the Golden Triangle. Anyone who would like to hear what Mr miller has to say or ask questions is more than welcome to join our meeting. So here is your chance to hopefully get to the bottom of this. "Oh by the way, Mr Tim Miller lives and works in Ballarat and is also a gold prospector. So he has our interests at heart. The PMAV Central Goldfield Branch meets at the Maryborough Highland Society In High St. Tea at 6pm and meeting at 7.30pm. All welcome.

And this

It now looks like that we may also have Louise Staley MP for the seat of Rippon at our Wednesday night meeting. Rippon covers a big area of the Triangle.
 Also Olly Oleszek, PMAV President will also be there at the meeting.
PatricK the meeting will be held at the Maryborough Highland Society in High St just near Toyota and the Shell service station. 7.30 meeting on Wednesday night.
We need as many prospectors and other bush uses there as possible to show our strength

So if you're from the Maryborough area I would urge you to go please
cheers Keith 

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Link is to an update on change.org
Apparently the Local Councillor has modified his standing on this.

https://www.change.org/p/danielle-green-parliament-vic-gov-au-don-t-lock-up-the-victorian-bush/u/20275118?utm_medium=email&utm_source=71517&utm_campaign=petition_up

[Bird]

Apparently the Local Councillor has modified his standing on this.

how do you tell a politician is lying?? its mouth is open.

[prodigyrf]

Link is to an update on change.org
Apparently the Local Councillor has modified his standing on this.

"1. In no way is there any proposal for the establishment of some new park or reserve which would exclude activities. Any sites considered as part of the process, which is referred to as a serial listing, would be the most special of the structures and buildings across the region already listed on the Victorian Heritage Register and/or the National Heritage List."

Good then there's no need to change anything, any new process or facilitated serial listing by stealth once you get your big foot in the back door as you 'propose'.
Piss off back to your local Council duties and concentrate on keeping rate rises down in the budget for the benefit of ratepayers.

[Pete79]

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, because I'm not having a go at you, but can you illuminate the reasons why it is a good thing? From reading the article, and having only limited familiarity with the area, I don't understand what they are trying to preserve. Is it particular remains of historical settlements and mining? If so why don't they just put in measures to protect the particular sites?

To me, and probably to a lot of others, it is difficult to understand why they just decide to close off such a large swag of land to "preserve the heritage" of the area. If you have information that supports the heritage listing bid, that us non-locals aren't privy to, it would give people something to think about before blindly signing petitions.

AS yet, I haven't signed the petition, due to lack of fully understanding the situation.

I'm feeling exactly the same mate.

"1. In no way is there any proposal for the establishment of some new park or reserve which would exclude activities. Any sites considered as part of the process, which is referred to as a serial listing, would be the most special of the structures and buildings across the region already listed on the Victorian Heritage Register and/or the National Heritage List."

And it sounds like that is exactly what they are doing...

It sounds like they are seeking to protect specific sites, kind of like the huts in the high country?
Like Troopy_03, I have limited knowledge of this specific area (read none), but from my long distance perspective it's probably not such a bad thing if there are historic site preserved and maintained for us tourists to drive around and have a look at.

I understand everyone's right to protest and if once all of the facts have been released it is true that they want to lockup a huge parcel of land and stop all access then you'll have my support too.
Please keep us updated after the meeting has been held and the discussion has officially started between all parties.
I'll refrain from shouting from the sidelines until I know what the actual proposal includes.

[prodigyrf]

"And it sounds like that is exactly what they are doing..."

No it sounds very much like they want some overarching Legislative powers while mouthing consultative platitudes so as not to frighten the horses and once they have that power they can march ahead with ever more 'serial listings' with no objections. After all you've already been 'consulted' initially and all your concerns have been addressed.

You need to brush up on Legislative Law and the Regulations tacked on to them and it's the latter that carry the sting in the tail without having to go back to Parliament for any public scrutiny. Just post the Regulatory changes empowered by the overarching Parliamentary Law in the Govt Gazette and bobsyeruncle.

[cruiser 91]

It sounds like they are seeking to protect specific sites, kind of like the huts in the high country?

Hmmmmmmmmm, so these specific are not protect yet?
                               but they have stood the test of time to date?
                               and only now they need protecting?
                               Are these sites being trashed or neglected?

In SA we share the The Border Track with VIC. The track is closed for a small period of time for volunteers to clean and repair track. No H/L required here thanks we some times have common sense over here