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Escape Kayaks - any input?
« on: April 24, 2016, 06:30:17 PM »
I wasn't really sure if this was the area to put this so I am sorry if it is in the wrong spot . . .

Has anyone had any experience with Escape Kayaks? I am looking for a reasonably priced entry level kayak mostly to see if I will use it enough to invest more money later on. If this one (or anything similar) is good, the 8yo could have it if we do descide to buy something more advanced later. I think they are a WA company who now has a Brisbane outlet.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brisbane-region/kayaks-paddle/aussie-made-kayaks-4-sale-river-sea-surf-fish-camp-or-dive-/1060806602

When you read their speil it sounds good and turns you off imported Kayaks but is it just spin to do exactly that? I have no idea. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2016, 08:03:02 PM »
Sorry for the bad news, DON'T TOUCH THE FERKIN THING  >:( >:( >:( >:(

For some GOOD advice have a look at this site http://vyak.net/forum/index.php
or just do a google search for kayak fishing forums. The information on what to buy, not buy and safety gear is still relevant whether you're fishing or just playing around in boats (kayaks)

A very good 2nd hand choice would be a Wavedance kingfisher for around $500-00 AND you'd probably get the safety gear included.

Short kayaks ( under 3metres) are absolute dogs to load onto the roof racks, the longer the kayak the easier it is to load, the easier it is to paddle and the straiter it goes.

And just what denotes "reasonably priced " if you buy a cheap kayak and your kid flips it and drowns.
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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2016, 08:53:10 PM »
Thanks for the advice, this is exactly the feedback I am looking for. I know absolutely nothing about Kayaks and the information on the internet can get very overwhelming at times.

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2016, 10:34:45 PM »
We have 2 of the Escape Kayaks.  Haven't had any problem with them.  Travel straight enough and seem to be sturdy.  We have used them in a dam for just cruising around in, without incident.  My daughter even surfed at the beach on hers :-)
Both kids 9 and 12 use them fine on their own as well as being able to fit an adult and a child on one.
 They have also been taught how to flip them back over if they capsize. Being a sit-on kayak rather than a sit-in one I think is a much safer option.
Both fit on the roof rack on the car and also had them on the camper.
Aussie made and reasonable price (I think they were $400 each )
Never been fishing on one though.


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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2016, 11:13:11 PM »
If you have a look on their Facebook page (visitor posts) there is a picture of someone with the fishing rod attachment. . I can't seem to post the pic.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2016, 11:24:58 PM »
We have 2 of the Escape Kayaks.  Haven't had any problem with them.  Travel straight enough and seem to be sturdy.  We have used them in a dam for just cruising around in, without incident.  My daughter even surfed at the beach on hers :-)
Both kids 9 and 12 use them fine on their own as well as being able to fit an adult and a child on one.
 They have also been taught how to flip them back over if they capsize. Being a sit-on kayak rather than a sit-in one I think is a much safer option.
Both fit on the roof rack on the car and also had them on the camper.
Aussie made and reasonable price (I think they were $400 each )
Never been fishing on one though.


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Note Please this is NOT a personal attack but

 being able to fit an adult and a child on one, omg you really don't do this do you, this is highly illegal in every state unless it's got 2 seats built in, apart from being very dangerous.

"Seem very sturdy" ffs it's heavy duty plastic, what's that got to do with how good they are.
" flip them back over " BUT can they get back on them in deep water

" without incident " YET omg

I see this sort of thing so often it's not funny,  would you buy a car because it's " entry level" and the " price is reasonable"

2 good  pfd's are going to cost you $60-00/80-00 each

"my daughter even surfed at the beach on hers "
 Of course she could

As in the heading THIS is not a personal attack, you are playing with possibly serious consequences, people think kayaks are toys, they are not, so please there is no way you can buy a "Landcruiser" for the price of a "go-kart"
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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2016, 11:39:54 PM »
For this not being a personal attack you sure have gone out of your way to quote me attack everything I have said.
It's a kayak. It's a floaty boat. It handles well. It's sturdy. Yep we consider it a recreational craft. It's not a space shuttle. How "good" does it have to be? Heavy duty plastic is not "good" enough? Why are these so offensive and OMG so dangerous to you?
Tonkering around on a dam with mum and a young child is hardly flying down a highway with a kid on the bonnet FFS.
Yes, people buy cars at entry level and are reasonably priced. Not everyone can or WANTS to buy a land cruiser.
And yes, we have PFDs (good of you to assume we dont have them) and YES they can get back in it in deep water.
Oh and this will blow your mind, they even tip them over on purpose and use them upside down as SUPs! Yeah without incident OMG.




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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 12:20:31 AM »
FFS KIDS CAN DROWN IN 20MM OF WATER
Good for you if you have taught your kids the correct procedures, as I said this was not  a personal attack, end of story .

Every year there are drownings that could have been avoided from the use of kayaks, these are usually caused by ignorance to the dangers of cheap flotation devices , and your attitude to the potential dangers is EXACTLY what kids mostly, but adults as well I am trying to point out.

Yes, I quoted points from your post  to point out the way people think about using cheap kayaks and flotation  devices ( sup's are a perfect example)So grow up, have a look at what your doing, have a good look at what I'm saying and think about the possible consequences to not only your family , but other kids and their families

If you can't see what I'm on about regarding these kayaks I really don't understand your standards of life
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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 12:46:02 AM »
Geez kids drown? Really? I never knew that...
You know what? I should wrap my kids in bubble wrap and never let them do anything. Least of all let them sit on a deadly, cheap and nasty inferior kayak with a pfd on and have some fun in the water.
You have failed to explain why this kayak is such an issue? You sit on them exactly the same way, and fall off exactly the same way, as a $1000 kayak.
The fact that you are now attacking my parenting without knowing a damn thing about me goes to show that you are the one that needs to grow up. 

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2016, 05:41:24 AM »
FFS KIDS CAN DROWN IN 20MM OF WATER
Good for you if you have taught your kids the correct procedures, as I said this was not  a personal attack, end of story .

Every year there are drownings that could have been avoided from the use of kayaks, these are usually caused by ignorance to the dangers of cheap flotation devices , and your attitude to the potential dangers is EXACTLY what kids mostly, but adults as well I am trying to point out.

Yes, I quoted points from your post  to point out the way people think about using cheap kayaks and flotation  devices ( sup's are a perfect example)So grow up, have a look at what your doing, have a good look at what I'm saying and think about the possible consequences to not only your family , but other kids and their families

If you can't see what I'm on about regarding these kayaks I really don't understand your standards of life

Mate give it a break - don't put your standards on other peoples please, he isn't taking them in white water.

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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2016, 06:18:24 AM »
A suggestion from my own personal experience. I bought an Ocean Kayaks "Frenzy" model a while back, it was 2.7mtrs long and similar to what you are looking at.
I found it difficult to paddle at any speed as it tended to swing from side to side because of it's short length. Also when playing in the surf it would turn sideways easily and roll over. I sold it and bought an Ocean Kayaks "Malibu" which was 3.7mtrs in length.
Wow, that extra metre made a big difference, more stable and easier to keep in a straight line when paddling and playing in the surf.
I would also suggest if you get one, to practice a few "fall outs" and getting back onto the kayak while in the water. It is'nt quite as easy as one would think. I did master that eventually and had many hours of fun with it. Even fished out of it a few times, although not very successfully.
Hope this helps.

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2016, 08:11:14 AM »
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=emotion+exhilarator+kayak&view=detailv2&&id=97191B316C77D65983DE9CAEE33EE319667F108D&selectedIndex=0&ccid=5Rrgwbig&simid=608044418065042258&thid=OIP.Me51ae0c1b8a082921e8235588b3c0df5o0&ajaxhist=0

I have a few kayaks - valley sea kayak, rosco tk1, rosco Canadian, paddleyak kingfisher, and the one I linked above - the emotion exhilarator.

It is similar to the ones you are looking at.

I would class it as an inshore boat, great for creeks, rivers, smaller dams, bays and mucking about in light surf.
As an entry level boat I don't think you'll go too far wrong.

Smaller boats get knocked off by the wind more, and require focus to keep them going in a straight line - the 80 cm width creates a turning effect with the paddle stroking so far from the centre line on to boat - no big deal unless you are starting to get serious.

As with most entry level things (bicycles,bikes, cars, camper trailers), if you decide to pursue paddling at a recreational level or further, you will outgrow the boat you are looking at in a matter of hours, but for mucking about with low expectation they are good.

If you are a bigger bloke (I am 110 k.g.) you will test the primary stability levels of that boat. Once the chines are floating underwater they no longer keep the flat bottom level and you will struggle in an overloaded boat as there is zero secondary stability in them to speak of.

Summarising - make sure you aren't too big for it, make sure you don't want to go too far in it, have fun and yes, wear the correct paddling PFD2 for paddling - you will struggle to get back on board in a PFD1.



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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 08:14:15 AM »
I wasn't really sure if this was the area to put this so I am sorry if it is in the wrong spot . . .

Has anyone had any experience with Escape Kayaks? I am looking for a reasonably priced entry level kayak mostly to see if I will use it enough to invest more money later on. If this one (or anything similar) is good, the 8yo could have it if we do descide to buy something more advanced later. I think they are a WA company who now has a Brisbane outlet.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/brisbane-region/kayaks-paddle/aussie-made-kayaks-4-sale-river-sea-surf-fish-camp-or-dive-/1060806602

When you read their speil it sounds good and turns you off imported Kayaks but is it just spin to do exactly that? I have no idea. Any advice would be appreciated.

Good luck RockinJ and as you can probably tell it appears to be a personal thing on types etc. Use the vyak link that xcavator put up as I have found that site to be a good resource and place to ask dumb beginner questions. Early in my search i decided it was probably like a camper trailer and it is probably better (as a beginner) to look for one that has been used and modded in some cases, as opposed to buying something brand new. Do the research (google is your friend) and make an informed decision based on what you think you need it for.

Have fun

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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 09:49:37 AM »
Just recently been down the path of purchasing a couple of kayaks  and a couple of points that might be worth considering. I went for second hand, that way if we wanted to upgrade or we didn't use them we would be able to resell them for a similar price, On a recent trip some others had a cheaper kayak from one of the big camping chains, There was a big difference with usability, our kayak's (over 4m long and 4 seats, pretty much the bus of sit on top's) was much easier to paddle that their smaller 1 seater kayak, I think the length was a major contributor as well as the quality of the design. With their's each paddle seemed to almost move you side to side as much as forwards and when you stopped paddling the kayak just stopped, there was no gliding. They hadn't really thought there was any thing wrong with the way their's performed until they tried ours. I would be initially sceptical of any thing as short as the one you have linked but it was different to what they had so cant really comment on that specific brand/model. By keeping my eye out on gumtree and then researching particular models I though might be a good deal helped me to refine what I should be looking for. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 09:00:12 PM »
Give away is my user name... I've worked as a canoe and kayak coach for 10 years on upto G3 white water.

Couple of points to consider when looking at Sit on tops:
-The basic sit on tops often have a very low weight limit; 150kg isn't a bad limit.
-They often miss out on some of the nicer features that you get on the better boats
-If they get damaged they sink as they fill up with water; unlike a general purpose closed cockpit kayak they have no inherent buoyancy (my kayak has foam pillars internally, as well as buoyancy bags, whilst my canoe is a 3 core plastic with a foam centre - I can paddle that out fully swapped out of a grade 2 rapid, albeit slowly and not into a nice tight eddy)
-The danger comes from them hitting you on the head, hence the need for a PFD. If fooling around a helmet isn't an unreasonable precaution.

Ed's top tips from years of coaching:
-Flat hulls will spin more than a V-shaped hull... no matter how long the boat is... if you think about it, all you're doing is getting forward motion by pinging the bow of the boat left and right - minimise that swing, and you get forwards motion
-Keep the paddle shaft upright, and the blade close to the boat, and that will stop the spin... alternatively wide (low) paddle strokes will turn you much more
-Pretty much wherever your head is looking you will end up, give or take a bit... sit on the floor, with your knees up and slightly splayed apart and with your heels on the ground, and turn head and shoulders - watch what happens with your knees. That movement will turn you, especially if the boat drops an edge - in time, this can be used to your benefit; it's a bit like how a snowboarder turns.

Length will translate to speed - look at the length of a wave ski compared to a surf ski - its why I like my 15' canoe over my 9ish' kayak for speed - even with a single blade I can be as quick as a whitewater kayak.

Also, PLEASE don't use ratchet straps to secure the kayak to roof rack... a 50mm wide strap with a camlock buckle is enough - I've carried canoes and kayaks around the UK and Europe and we used either rope or camlock straps; the ratchet lets you crank it down so much you crush and distort the hulls. The other thing is to carry them upside down; the roof rack bars will crush the hull, but upside down they're much stronger and the ropes/straps don't exert as much pressure.

And some pictures of what I used to get up to:



Washburn, G2/3, dam release river in the North of England (that drop is high G2, low G3)

Another from the Washburn; it sort of shows me looking into the eddy to get the boat there, and using the edge to help the turn:



Ullswater, staff training trip

Again in this one you can see how my body position is turning the boat:


And this is what happens when you over edge:



All done in the name of training - we were practising swimming in white water and self rescue with a canoe - bear in mind one of those can have 500kg of water in it, and weighs 30kg dry...
above 3 pictures taken on the River Spey, G2 (where good whisky comes from...)

Picture showing the straps I use (sort of):


Hope some of that helps; if people have any skill based questions, please PM me (I might be slow replying as I don't come on here that often)

By the way, even as skilled and experienced white water paddlers (my preference is for white water over flat water/sea) things go wrong; I didn't go on the trip, but one of the guys who was a member of my club died on a trip - unfortunately his son was one of those who attempted to resuscitate him after the group, Mountain Rescue and fire brigade worked together to rescue him. Think about doing a first aid course for your own sake.

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 09:08:28 PM »
FFS KIDS CAN DROWN IN 20MM OF WATER
Good for you if you have taught your kids the correct procedures, as I said this was not  a personal attack, end of story .

Every year there are drownings that could have been avoided from the use of kayaks, these are usually caused by ignorance to the dangers of cheap flotation devices , and your attitude to the potential dangers is EXACTLY what kids mostly, but adults as well I am trying to point out.

Yes, I quoted points from your post  to point out the way people think about using cheap kayaks and flotation  devices ( sup's are a perfect example)So grow up, have a look at what your doing, have a good look at what I'm saying and think about the possible consequences to not only your family , but other kids and their families

If you can't see what I'm on about regarding these kayaks I really don't understand your standards of life

I don't think he mentioned anything about it being a floatation device........FFS nanny state or what, see plenty of those type of kayaks on top of every second 4WD flouting school holidays.....best we bin our goat boat (short surf ski)
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Re: Escape Kayaks - any input?
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 09:36:30 AM »

Hope some of that helps; if people have any skill based questions, please PM me (I might be slow replying as I don't come on here that often)

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Will take you up on the offer....PM sent