Author Topic: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ? (Read 45300 times)

theflyingbadger · « **Reply #25 on:** June 17, 2010, 10:13:42 PM »

Quote from: buff on June 16, 2010, 09:52:04 PM

yes ... http://www.acumentaustralia.com.au/eurosert_39002.html

so is that a specialised tool for putting them in, or is it just (effectively) a bolt in a drill?

theflyingbadger · « **Reply #26 on:** June 17, 2010, 10:24:58 PM »

Has anyone had a go with anything like this?

GSK33 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 18, 2010, 08:37:31 AM »

Anyone else had a go at these in the side of a Jayco Swan? Wanting to make some dust covers to bolt over the three vents on the side of the van and bolt them on using these type of nuts. Just wanting to know the size, style and gear needed.

theflyingbadger · « **Reply #28 on:** June 18, 2010, 08:49:42 AM »

I think briann did on his hawk, it's all in a "my camper trailer" thread somewhere

GSK33 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:21:07 PM »

Quote from: theflyingbadger on June 18, 2010, 08:49:42 AM

I think briann did on his hawk, it's all in a "my camper trailer" thread somewhere

Yeah thanks badger, i've asked him for more detail but he must be busy camping

Just thought there would be more people on here that have used them on a swan or Jayco. Brain's dust solution looks like a great idea, i'm just needed more info on how hard and what i need for the rivnut idea.

Matto · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2010, 12:16:25 PM »

For everyone contemplating getting a Nutsert kit - just go and do it. Mine has quickly become my favourite tool in the shed, and I've been using it roughly twice a month on odd-jobs. Mine looks like that Ovesco kit, and was around $300 from memory. I would not suspect mine is any better than that Ovesco kit though - I'd be happy with it. Absolutely fabulous tool to have.

While you can set the inserts with a bolt and nut, I'd recommend getting a proper insert tool - it makes the job so much easier. That ratchet tool that TFB posted a couple back looks very interesting, and great for getting into hard-to-reach places. But for ease of use, I don't think you can go past the pop-rivet-gun style ones. Of, for those who are happy to use them only in your shed, an air gun would be the go.

Last weekend I used mine to attach the number plate to the father-in-law's new camper - a million and one uses!

thanks!
Matto

Dion · « **Reply #31 on:** June 19, 2010, 05:39:32 PM »

I have been meaning to get one ... What's a good kit?

D4D · « **Reply #32 on:** January 14, 2011, 10:12:49 PM »

I just purchased this kit from Ovesco for $148.50. They finally got the metric kit back in stock.

welchygq · « **Reply #33 on:** January 15, 2011, 04:25:29 PM »

Quote from: D4D on January 14, 2011, 10:12:49 PM

I just purchased this kit from Ovesco for $148.50. They finally got the metric kit back in stock.

same one as i've got - no problems, and good price

Haggy · « **Reply #34 on:** January 18, 2011, 04:56:56 PM »

Trade tools in this weeks Sunday mail had a kit advertised for $45 came with a range of inserts...my old man picked one up for me on Monday will get it on Thursday. Worth a look for those shopping around.

BigJules · « **Reply #35 on:** January 18, 2011, 06:13:23 PM »

This has become one of my favourite tools. It makes for such a neat job.

D4D · « **Reply #36 on:** January 18, 2011, 06:47:02 PM »

I wish I could say I had mine. I received a call from Ovesco saying they 'had sold the last one' and I have to wait until next month now. If it says 'in stock' on your web site that means you have it available to sell.

V8TL8 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 18, 2011, 11:08:36 PM »

Quote from: D4D on January 18, 2011, 06:47:02 PM

I wish I could say I had mine. I received a call from Ovesco saying they 'had sold the last one' and I have to wait until next month now. If it says 'in stock' on your web site that means you have it available to sell.

A MONTH? So where do they order them from? Be quicker and cheaper to go to source.

Quick question for all: do these tools all do aluminium and Steel and stainless nuts? Not just the ali ones?

Best not to go too cheap I guess: my first rivet tool from Bunnings caved in on my first rivet: made in China! Wish we could send it back to where it came from so they can fill their own landfill with their own C#$*.

Matto · « **Reply #38 on:** January 19, 2011, 09:05:45 AM »

Jules - you're dead right - I love my kit - it's just so handy.

D4D - that's no good mate, but it will be worth the wait. I hear your point about the website being accurate, but I have this suspicion that Ovesco aren't as big an operation as their website maybe suggests. Once you get the kit, your woes will be forgotten!

After all - it's under half the price of what I paid for my kit, and looks to be largely the same. That's worth waiting for in my books!

V8TL8 - My kit only came with steel inserts, but I want to get my hands on some assorted stainless and ali ones to use out in the weather. So far it's not been a problem, but it would be handy to have the variety available. I see no reason why the rivet gun wouldn't be able to set the different inserts. I would expect that a gun (and the inserts) made for steel would be able to set any of the other inserts with no problems. Potentially if you bought a kit for aluminium inserts it might have lighter weight setting inserts? I'd expect all the guns to be exactly the same though.

Thanks!
Matto

Matto · « **Reply #39 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:15:17 AM »

So I've done the unthinkable, and have broken my nutsert gun. :'(

Setting a bunch of 4mm inserts on the camper yesterday, I must have been just plain squeezing too hard.

Long story short, the 4mm mandrel broke off inside one of the inserts, leaving me with a broken mandrel in the gun, an insert complete with broken tip set inside the camper body, and another 10 empty holes already drilled waiting to be filled. I've got to ring the importer in half an hour, and see if they carry any spare parts, such as replacement mandrels, and how many arms and legs they'll charge.

Word to the wise - when setting your inserts - don't squeeze them in too hard

EDIT - called the supplier - David at ProFast was very helpful. I now have a new 4mm mandrel on it's way to me. David advised that they do see a bit of breakage on the smaller (3mm and 4mm) mandrels, simply because they're very small due to the size of the inserts that they're setting, and thus not as strong. His advice was to be *very* careful to ensure that the gun was kept exactly perpendicular to the surface when setting the smaller nutserts, otherwise you're prone to snapping the mandrel (as I've done). Also, not to set them with much force, or you'll tear the thread off the end of the mandrel. When you tighten up the bolt, it'll crimp down the nutsert nice and tight anyway - the gun just needs to seat it so it won't rotate. So I promised not to be so hamfisted in future, and to pay more attention to the orientation of the gun when using the smaller inserts. I'm just happy that I was able to get the part replaced, and that I don't need to buy a whole new kit! Nice one ProFast!

Thanks!
Matto

D4D · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2011, 05:47:13 PM »

Good outcome and thanks for the tip on the smaller mandrels.

Ovesco called me today and said my kit was in the mail. I couldn't resist and bought this too

D4D · « **Reply #41 on:** February 04, 2011, 08:23:44 PM »

I finally have my nutsert kit

What edition of CTT was Broadys article about how to use them?

Silvo · « **Reply #42 on:** February 04, 2011, 08:26:17 PM »

Quote from: D4D on January 31, 2011, 05:47:13 PM

Good outcome and thanks for the tip on the smaller mandrels.

Ovesco called me today and said my kit was in the mail. I couldn't resist and bought this too

that looks like something from a medical lab, for taking samples the way that hurts way too much..

D4D · « **Reply #43 on:** February 12, 2011, 07:20:03 AM »

Quote from: D4D on February 04, 2011, 08:23:44 PM

I finally have my nutsert kit What edition of CTT was Broadys article about how to use them?

It was edition 5, answering my own question

Where do people buy the rivnuts from? I got some with the kit but I want to buy more. Ovesco sell them but is their an easier/cheaper way?

Oh and the rivet gun is magnificent, it is effortless compare to my old hand riveter.

Gunna Do · « **Reply #44 on:** February 12, 2011, 07:48:31 AM »

Could someone do a rivnut/nutsert 101 type post with a few pics of the inserts as well as a step by step on how they are used and where they are used.

I've got a bit of an idea but a few pics of the various steps would be great.

GGV8Cruza · « **Reply #45 on:** February 12, 2011, 08:58:36 AM »

There are a lot of videos on youtube if you search "rivnut"

GG

D4D · « **Reply #46 on:** February 26, 2011, 12:06:59 PM »

Quote from: Gunna Do on February 12, 2011, 07:48:31 AM

Could someone do a rivnut/nutsert 101 type post with a few pics of the inserts as well as a step by step on how they are used and where they are used.

I've got a bit of an idea but a few pics of the various steps would be great.

x2 I just tried some M6 with less than good results

Matto · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2011, 09:04:17 AM »

What problems are you guys having with them? Maybe I've just not used mine enough, but my process has always been along the lines of:

1) Drill hole
2) put in rivnut
3)

4) Profit!!!

OK - given my usual OCD tenancies, it's not that simple. Between step 1 and 2 I take a baby (IE, 2mm x 7mm) square-edge file and file a "keyway" in the side of the hole I've just drilled. Reason being to give the rivnut itself something to squish into and key itself into. I read that this is what aircraft manufacturers do, as it stops the rivnut itself rotating in the hole when to do up or undo the bolt. However talking to people who do a lot more nutserting than I, they assure me that this is not a necessary step. I still do it anyway, see the above OCD comment.

I usually put a decent layer of paint down on the freshly drilled hole, and then another one over the set rivnut as well. The inserts I'm currently using are gal steel, so don't strictly need it, however I figure that in deforming them I'm potentially flaking off some of the coating, so it's worth the extra 20 mins that it takes the paint to dry.

Other than that, it's just a matter really of keeping the nutsert gun nice and perpendicular to the surface that you're setting the insert into, otherwise you run the risk of either stripping the mandrel or breaking it, as I have already done. This is easier said that done, especially on the bigger inserts when you're squeezing hard, and working on odd angles to start with. It requires a lot of concentration (well, for me it does). The breakthrough for me came when talking to the importer of the tool, who told me not to use too much pressure when using the gun to set the inserts - just use enough to stop the insert rotating. then when you tighten up the bolt into it, it will have the effect of squeezing down the insert tight, and it a much easier and safer way of achieving the same result. By putting so much pressure through the gun I was simply making it hard for myself, and risking damaging the tool.

What's other people's experiences?

Thanks!
Matto

D4D · « **Reply #48 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:37:15 AM »

I was not able to 'set' the rivnut no matter how hard I squeezed the handles together.

GGV8Cruza · « **Reply #49 on:** February 28, 2011, 10:52:29 AM »

Occasionally after trying to set the Rivnut as far as possible I have had to wind the mandrel piece further in to be able to pull up the last bit of slack

GG

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Author Topic: RIVNUT/NUTSERT ? (Read 45300 times)

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