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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2015, 06:36:07 PM »
Its a conspiracy to weaken the Cowboys by putting as many players into SOO,  I'm surprised that Winterstein isn't the winger instead of Gagai. ????????

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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2015, 07:45:44 PM »
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2015, 06:40:16 AM »
Another great riveting piece of journalism from channel 9 & 60 minutes last night.
Do a story on Alex McKinnon which should of been about his strength in recovery & family support,  and they turned it into a witch hunt for Cameron Smith.
Oh how inconvenient that the story is run the week pre origin decider.
60 minutes must be based out of sydney.
Nearly makes me wish i hadnt made a donation.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2015, 06:48:28 AM »
Correct mate, Any captain would have done the same thing. How was he to know what happened to Alex!!!! Typical bullsh!t journalism from somebody who does not know the game. Alex is a tough guy, with outstanding inner strength and exceptional love and support around him. We all wish him the very best. Let's hope the NRL continue to support him.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2015, 08:46:28 AM »
Yep he timed it well.....get real...."Ch 9 can you run a story on how im doing, and how Smith failed in his duties as a human".....all because its origin week....now there's a new perspective to it.

Next you will jumping on the, "if he doesn't duck his head it wouldn't have happened line"...

Must be QLDRS..

Very sad indeed, best wish's to Alex, stay strong mate...
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2015, 01:16:13 PM »
Quote from: swanny on July 06, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
Yep he timed it well.....get real...."Ch 9 can you run a story on how im doing, and how Smith failed in his duties as a human".....all because its origin week....now there's a new perspective to it.

Next you will jumping on the, "if he doesn't duck his head it wouldn't have happened line"...

Must be QLDRS..

Very sad indeed, best wish's to Alex, stay strong mate...

two sides to every story.  this one included, with regards to cameron smith.

wasn't just cameron smith that thought that alex ducking his head made a huge difference to outcome of tackle.  plenty of league commentators and players are saying the same thing now and they were also saying the same thing right after it happened.  and let's not by naive enough to think that other captains would have done the same thing, without the benefit of hindsight.

does anyone honestly think that cameron smith is heartless enough to not feel devastated for alex?  if they do, then i feel sorry for them.

doesn't take much to be a bit cynical regarding the timing of this interview.  book launch coming up, SOO3 decider coming up, nothing said about cameron smith for 18 months and now all of a sudden, bang.  qld or nsw supporter is irrelevant.  the timing stinks.

why now?  why not last year, when his plight was still in the public consciousness?  seems a bit suss to me.

no-one is doubting how much of a fighter alex is and how everyone is hoping he pulls through, but to perform a character assassination on cameron smith, in this manner, at this time, when evidence suggests that cameron had tried to see him in the days after the accident (and it WAS an accident) and also was in the front line, raising money for alex, seems a bit much to me.

unfortunately, it seems like ch9 and david riccio's marketing teams have outdone themselves on this particular episode.

i, like all league fans, hope that alex pulls through.  i also hope that he can try to rid himself of the bitterness that he obviously still feels and can get on the way to getting over this accident emotionally and physically (like plenty of others in the same boat have to do as well).

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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2015, 01:42:16 PM »
Although it may appear to be a Cam Smith bash you need to remember the words that were uttered out of Alex's mouth, "is he f**##*g kidding" when he viewed the footage of Cam carrying on with the ref whilst the bloke was lying on the ground. That was all about Alex's opinion of Cam Smith regarding the carry one, not 60 minutes. Alex also suggested that Cam has made no contact in the interview but the other suspended player [name escapes me] had made contact again words uttered by Alex.
Yes I am sure there is a bit about the airing to coincide with Origin but that is again about marketing, and without the financial support of organisations like 9 and fox we would all be just watching park football at surburban grounds.
 I do get a bit sick of the captains from all teams carrying on after a ref has made a call, how many rants has ended up chanting a ref's decision, a big zero, I wish the ref's would move the penalty mark each time a player does this.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2015, 04:56:15 PM »
Quote from: rags on July 06, 2015, 01:42:16 PM
Although it may appear to be a Cam Smith bash you need to remember the words that were uttered out of Alex's mouth, "is he f**##*g kidding" when he viewed the footage of Cam carrying on with the ref whilst the bloke was lying on the ground. That was all about Alex's opinion of Cam Smith regarding the carry one, not 60 minutes.
The trouble is that Alex Mckinnon is emotionally invested in the incident & with the benefit of hindsight i reckon Cameron Smith also regrets the actions of the night.

But what club captain doesn't question EVERY decision against them  ???  ???
It is after all their right to do so & more often than not with justifiable reason as the referees can & do get it wrong.
Not suggesting this was the case with this event & whilst the tackle was deemed illegal as the Jordan McLean (?) got 7 weeks(i think), it was still an unplanned event which in my dictionary makes it an accident

I agree with Paceman, the timing of the piece is all about origin & trying to unsettle smith.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2015, 05:32:00 PM »
Quote from: paceman on July 06, 2015, 01:16:13 PM
two sides to every story.  this one included, with regards to cameron smith.

wasn't just cameron smith that thought that alex ducking his head made a huge difference to outcome of tackle.  plenty of league commentators and players are saying the same thing now and they were also saying the same thing right after it happened.  and let's not by naive enough to think that other captains would have done the same thing, without the benefit of hindsight.

does anyone honestly think that cameron smith is heartless enough to not feel devastated for alex?  if they do, then i feel sorry for them.

doesn't take much to be a bit cynical regarding the timing of this interview.  book launch coming up, SOO3 decider coming up, nothing said about cameron smith for 18 months and now all of a sudden, bang.  qld or nsw supporter is irrelevant.  the timing stinks.

why now?  why not last year, when his plight was still in the public consciousness?  seems a bit suss to me.

no-one is doubting how much of a fighter alex is and how everyone is hoping he pulls through, but to perform a character assassination on cameron smith, in this manner, at this time, when evidence suggests that cameron had tried to see him in the days after the accident (and it WAS an accident) and also was in the front line, raising money for alex, seems a bit much to me.

unfortunately, it seems like ch9 and david riccio's marketing teams have outdone themselves on this particular episode.

i, like all league fans, hope that alex pulls through.  i also hope that he can try to rid himself of the bitterness that he obviously still feels and can get on the way to getting over this accident emotionally and physically (like plenty of others in the same boat have to do as well).
well said mate, agree on what you've written.
I don't get the carry on about Smith not contacting Alex, Smith wasn't involved in the tackle and probably never knew the guy personally. Have heard that apparently Smith and some other Storm players tried to get access to the hospital the day after the incident but were turned away, so it sounds like he did make an effort to see him at one stage. Obviously he;d regret some of what he's said at the time of the incident, but nobody realised how serious the injury was then.
Pretty grubby journalism by 60 minutes to character assassinate Smith the way they have IMHO. The show used to be a half decent watch many years ago, haven't watched it myself in ages now.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2015, 05:37:35 PM »
Quote from: Moggy on July 06, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
The trouble is that Alex Mckinnon is emotionally invested in the incident & with the benefit of hindsight i reckon Cameron Smith also regrets the actions of the night.

But what club captain doesn't question EVERY decision against them  ???  ???
It is after all their right to do so & more often than not with justifiable reason as the referees can & do get it wrong.
Not suggesting this was the case with this event & whilst the tackle was deemed illegal as the Jordan McLean (?) got 7 weeks(i think), it was still an unplanned event which in my dictionary makes it an accident

I agree with Paceman, the timing of the piece is all about origin & trying to unsettle smith.

You are correct Alex is emotionally invested in it, and so he has the right to make comment. He has been illegally picked up and dumped on his head, it does not matter that he may or may not have turned his head and contributed to the outcome of the tackle, but again he was dumped on his head illegally with 3 storm players each playing his part in the tackle. Also the coach Bellamy may in some way have played a part in this as under his watch the Storm have become the masters of the tackle wrestle with their intent on ensuring the attacking player is held up and then turned over, so their defence has time to retreat and set for next play. Other teams have now evolved and follow this game play.
In the current game it is not the captains right to quiz every decision called by the referee, certainly not at the time of a penalty. The league has  clear rules in place to deal with when a captain can approach the ref. The captain is allowed to quiz the ref when there is a stoppage  in play but not after a penalty. Cameron Smith may have remorse re this but as Alex stated he has made no attempt to make restoration regarding this.
I agree outcome of the tackle was the result of tackle gone wrong which can be deemed an accident but in life accidents usually have outcomes and sometimes result in punishment be it on the footy field , a work place accident or a car accident. In Jordon's case it resulted in a suspension, caused him remorse and sorrow which he attempted to deal with by contacting Alex but also potentially exposes him to litigation.
I think if you think that this has been aired to somehow unsettle Cam Smith your are kidding. The story was all about Alex Mc and the support he has received by family, fellow players, coach Bennett [a great man coach] the league community. I doubt very much Cam Smith would be thinking about this when QLD run out.
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2015, 06:00:18 PM »
Quote from: rags on July 06, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
Also the coach Bellamy may in some way have played a part in this as under his watch the Storm have become the masters of the tackle wrestle with their intent on ensuring the attacking player is held up and then turned over, so their defence has time to retreat and set for next play. Other teams have now evolved and follow this game play.

have to disagree with this.

lifting/spear tackles have been around for a lot longer than the storm have been around.  yes, the storm get planted (sometimes unfairly.  they just came up with it before the other teams.  and it's not like the other teams have stopped) with the wrestle tactics, once the player is on the ground, but this is a different issue to the lifting tackles.

this type of tackle happens 20 times a round.  josh jackson got let off by the judiciary just last week for a tackle that was much worse than the tackle that injured alex. 



Quote from: rags on July 06, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
I think if you think that this has been aired to somehow unsettle Cam Smith your are kidding. The story was all about Alex Mc and the support he has received by family, fellow players, coach Bennett [a great man coach] the league community. I doubt very much Cam Smith would be thinking about this when QLD run out.

considering cameron decided not to do the usual media commitments expected of a SOO captain this week, i'd say it has unsettled him.  he'd have to be made of stone for it not to be on his mind.

i don't think it was aired at this time to specifically unsettle cameron smith, but the timing, in regards to SOO in general and the upcoming book launch, seems highly suspect.  more publicity, even bad publicity, is good for book sales. 

the trouble is, 90% of the special was excellent (as you rightly pointed out), detailing everything good about this story.  unfortunately, due to some gutter journalism, based IMO on questionable advice from authors, marketers and 60 minutes producers, the 10% is all that is being talked about.

the downside of this is that i have no doubt that some people's opinions of alex mckinnon have been lowered a bit (including mine) and it may have been the result of poor advice and a bit of immaturity on his part.

just my opinion, though...
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2015, 07:27:04 PM »
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2015, 08:19:05 PM »
Go The Maroons. :cup:
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2015, 08:22:37 PM »
**** me origin and ashes on the same time  ???
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2015, 09:08:53 PM »
Woooo Hoooo 22/2 just smashing the smurfs
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2015, 09:44:17 PM »
Memo to NSW........
Dont use a TV story to get under a Queenslanders skin...
It will only puss us off.......
Hahaha haha ????

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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2015, 09:46:04 PM »
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2015, 10:03:26 PM »
It's like an all black score
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2015, 10:10:58 PM »
Quote from: dales133 on July 08, 2015, 10:03:26 PM
It's like an all black score
F@#k off their not that good

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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2015, 10:12:35 PM »
Yea i spose so,it is only Queensland after all
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2015, 10:17:19 PM »
For some reason I just can NOT stop smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and smiling and drinking BEER 
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2015, 10:20:53 PM »
How go was that and it is only just after 8 pm here in the West, we are on hols travelling this great country of ours  :D ;D
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2015, 10:22:42 PM »
How good was it for Hodges to kick a goal at the end...especially knowing how much NSW people hate him...lol
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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2015, 10:34:59 PM »
Jeez the silence from the cockroach commentators is deafening, even ken Sutcliffe looked like he didn't want to be there.
Nice touch by cam smith, perhaps that will shut the critics up, but somehow i doubt it

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Re: Re: State of Origin 2014
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2015, 10:47:25 PM »
Got to love a one year dynasty...lol...NSW media were all so cocky in the lead up to the game, that should shut them up till next year  8)
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