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Road Toll
« on: April 06, 2015, 10:33:23 PM »
This Easter in Qld the road toll is at 8, which is terrible for those who have lost their lives, their families, friends, colleagues.  Now this is getting lots of coverage I the media, and while it's done under the premise of communicating the road safety message (like disguised speed cameras, hidden speed traps etc) the headlines of worst road toll in 20yrs & police pray for end to road carnage, are simply about sensationalising the news, not reporting it.

I'm wondering what others thoughts are on the topic, but I would like to see adjusted figures for a true comparison year on year, taking into account the,

volume of traffic - higher in holiday periods
increased average trip length - people typically travel longer, greater fatigue
weather - a factor in Qld over Easter

Basically allowing people to see for themselves if the road toll is as horrific as the media is reporting, or if based on all the factors statistically it's worse/better/just the same as any other weekend.

As an example this Easter there were 70 less people caught drink driving, was this because we were better behaved and the message is getting through or is it because there were 30000 less RBTs conducted (supposedly due to the wet weather - which makes no sense to me)
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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2015, 12:36:39 AM »
An ad came on TV tonight here in Perth saying that if WA's road toll was equivalent to Vic's road toll (per capita) there would be 75 more people alive today.

Not good, the police have all but thrown their hands in the air, they can't explain it and aren't too sure how to deal with it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2015, 05:13:03 AM »
Spend a week in a B-double with me and you will understand why the fork the road toll is the way it is!!!!!!! >:(

Also, I don't hold to the so called stats of female drivers are better than male drivers, complete BS especially when P plates, phones and kids added in cars.  :o

Impatience, stupidity, recklessness and speed, that's why it is the way it is!  ::)

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2015, 05:27:58 AM »


Impatience, stupidity, recklessness and speed, that's why it is the way it is!  ::)



As an ex firie, I have to agree. Poor choices more often than not contribute. The sad thing is that some other poor bugger gets belted because of one individual needing to get somewhere quicker than the rest of us.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 07:01:07 AM »
Spare a thought for Sth Africa, the road toll this eater is 35 and that's about normal!

The wet as well as what's discussed above , the quality of Australia drivers varies greatly And there are some who shouldn't hold licenses imo. But while the authorities continue to focus almost solely on catching speeding and drunk driving they will go under the radar.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2015, 07:33:42 AM »
Does it really matter whether the figures are 'adjusted' or 'unadjusted'? Eight people have lost their lives in Qld alone, hundreds injured and many families wrecked and traumatised forever. The manner in which the media report the madness is not the problem, road users are. The police have been clear on the carnage, it was avoidable.

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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2015, 08:01:45 AM »
I think it does matter how it is reported, yes it is tragic as I said at the start, and yes if it wasn't for the road users there would be nothing to report.  However, if the message is constantly negative people look at it as though it will never get better, there will always be accidents, use the stats to show some positives, show where the improvement is, and in that they might actaully work out what is leading to that improvement.

The graphic stuff works for a little while, but it's not in the front of the persons mind when they feel as though they're being held up and must get past that slower vehicle.

Continuing to do the same thing over and over, expecting to get a different result??

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2015, 10:17:09 AM »
This happened this morning north of Hervey Bay, Qld, not on the highway but a well used main road.  Appears the two occupants are OK and no other vehicle involved.  Great that there are no injuries but I bet they are suffering.  Looks like straight stretch of road.  No idea how it occurred but it makes you shudder of what can happen while you are having fun.  They say there is no such thing as an accident, but perhaps this was just an accident?  Kevin

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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2015, 10:21:53 AM »
On Saturday I had to visit Forbes NSW emergency department. While there, the ambos turned up with an old fella in a neck brace and we heard them explain that he's been pulled from a wreck by onlookers about 20km from town, the car was righted and his wife was still in there, presumably still being cut out. She had fallen asleep and rolled the car, thankfully without collecting any innocent families (ie. mine) and seemingly without causing death to themselves. They were from Melbourne.

Driving out of Forbes a few days ago, the missus and I talked about it. It is my view that she made a conscious decision to press on despite no doubt having all the warning signs - long blinks, the head nods, creeping tiredness etc. We've all been there and sometimes (myself included) we've decided to press on and take the risk. Not any more - too old and responsible now...  ;D

I know this is a bit beside the point, but here is a potentially lethal situation - probably not an uncommon one at these times, IMHO knowingly created by someone old enough to know better that could easily have taken the road toll to even great heights. If they'd hit us and taken us all out, it would have been 8 more unnecessary deaths.

Part of the problem comes from cities unleashing thousands of drivers lacking experience in long distance driving onto our roads. Perhaps people just don't care about tiredness, speed, silly decisions on the road until they're either caught or worse. "I'll be right", "I'm a good driver" etc.

When I was doing a lot of motorbike touring I became painfully aware of the 'quality' of many other drivers with whom I had to share the road. As someone else has said - just considering the P platers - males and females intent on their devices, giving the job of driving about 20% of their attention and often driving far too quickly. How do you get it across to these USAs to change their behaviour? ("USA" = "Unjustifiably Self Assured").

The revenue-oriented focus of the police that assumes that speed is the root of all evil (it's a factor in everything of course) without being a little more sophisticated about the real causes can blind a society to its own inadequacies. How then can this be managed properly? A real root cause analysis without the influence of the mighty $$$ could be a start.

It appears there are few votes in improving our drivers as proper education and training would certainly require a huge focus and revenue. Can't see that happening any time soon. In the meantime, I'm much happier taking beautiful quiet back-roads, budgeting for longer commute times and calmer, safer driving!

Phew - feels great to have that rant off my chest!  ;D

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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2015, 10:22:58 AM »
This happened this morning north of Hervey Bay, Qld, not on the highway but a well used main road.  Appears the two occupants are OK and no other vehicle involved.  Great that there are no injuries but I bet they are suffering.  Looks like straight stretch of road.  No idea how it occurred but it makes you shudder of what can happen while you are having fun.  They say there is no such thing as an accident, but perhaps this was just an accident?  Kevin


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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2015, 10:34:51 AM »
Not sure what the other state's road safety campaigns are about but here in Qld the police focus on the Fatal Five


Distraction and inattention
Speeding
Drink and drug driving
Failure to wear a seatbelt
Driving while fatigued


https://www.police.qld.gov.au/EventsandAlerts/campaigns/fatalfive.htm

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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2015, 10:42:34 AM »
Not sure what the other state's road safety campaigns are about but here in Qld the police focus on the Fatal Five


Distraction and inattention
Speeding0Drink and drug driving
Failure to wear a seatbelt
Driving while fatigued


https://www.police.qld.gov.au/EventsandAlerts/campaigns/fatalfive.htm

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2015, 10:48:37 AM »
I don't agree with that bollox of "theres no such thing as an accident"... ****in ridiculous to think it....

According to dictionary.com

"accident - any event that happens unexpectedly without deliberate plan or cause"

So you're right as i suspect nobody plans to go & die in a car crash.

The only way to get rid of the road toll is to get rid of the cause - CARS, & we know that will never happen.
But like the population naturally increases so do the number of cars on the road & so i suspect the media & respective agencies focus on driver related issues to draw attention away from road capacity which i think would have some contributing factors to overall road statistics.

Like someone else mentioned any figures stated perhaps should be given in percentage terms to indicate progress (or regress) of any road safety campaigns.

In saying that i am certain figures do nothing to alleviate the pain of losing someone in a road crash
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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2015, 11:14:19 AM »
Driving out of Forbes a few days ago, the missus and I talked about it. It is my view that she made a conscious decision to press on despite no doubt having all the warning signs - long blinks, the head nods, creeping tiredness etc. We've all been there and sometimes (myself included) we've decided to press on and take the risk. Not any more - too old and responsible now...  ;D

I know this is a bit beside the point, but here is a potentially lethal situation - probably not an uncommon one at these times, IMHO knowingly created by someone old enough to know better that could easily have taken the road toll to even great heights. If they'd hit us and taken us all out, it would have been 8 more unnecessary deaths.

Part of the problem comes from cities unleashing thousands of drivers lacking experience in long distance driving onto our roads. Perhaps people just don't care about tiredness, speed, silly decisions on the road until they're either caught or worse. "I'll be right", "I'm a good driver" etc.

The revenue-oriented focus of the police that assumes that speed is the root of all evil (it's a factor in everything of course) without being a little more sophisticated about the real causes can blind a society to its own inadequacies. How then can this be managed properly? A real root cause analysis without the influence of the mighty $$$ could be a start.

It appears there are few votes in improving our drivers as proper education and training would certainly require a huge focus and revenue. Can't see that happening any time soon. In the meantime, I'm much happier taking beautiful quiet back-roads, budgeting for longer commute times and calmer, safer driving!


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Hi Dave, I agree with you. Most of us, if not all, have pushed the limits. These people did so, and paid the price.
The only difference between them and you and I is probably luck.

We bang on about young drivers, but this Easter I have heard about quite a few mature drivers getting it wrong.

I don't agree with the focus on 'holiday' reporting - the same people that drive away on holidays drive every day somewhere. People still die outside of holidays.

One day, when we finally all agree that penalties don't work to stop inattention, tiredness, not knowing ones own capabilities or the capability of their vehicle etc, we might enforce regular driving tests and lesson refreshers for all road users. The money from road users breaking the law should fund this.

And education ongoing from an early age. Stay safe all.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2015, 11:43:17 AM »
Post withdrawn from discussion as a mark of respect to the feelings of the MySwag family affected by a recent tragedy ..
Our sincere condolences to your family and freinds over your  loss ..

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2015, 11:48:56 AM »
My thoughts go out to a MySwag family that lost a Mother, and the father is still in hospital in a bad way. As far as I am aware they were in the wrong spot at the wrong time and was hit by someone on the wrong side of the road. Please take care at all times but especially at the busier times.

If we can keep the tone of this thread a bit lighter for the time being that would be appreciated

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2015, 11:55:17 AM »
Agree with your sentiments GG, heard the news yesterday when we were on our way home,  our thoughts are with the family

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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2015, 11:58:10 AM »
My thoughts go out to a MySwag family that lost a Mother, and the father is still in hospital in a bad way. As far as I am aware they were in the wrong spot at the wrong time and was hit by someone on the wrong side of the road. Please take care at all times but especially at the busier times.

If we can keep the tone of this thread a bit lighter for the time being that would be appreciated

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Hey GG,

very sad to hear that. Can't imagine the pain felt by that poor family right now. Makes you value each moment more and re-evaluate your own life a bit more.

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Re: Road Toll
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2015, 12:44:06 PM »
My thoughts go out to a MySwag family that lost a Mother, and the father is still in hospital in a bad way. As far as I am aware they were in the wrong spot at the wrong time and was hit by someone on the wrong side of the road. Please take care at all times but especially at the busier times.

If we can keep the tone of this thread a bit lighter for the time being that would be appreciated

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2015, 01:06:23 PM »
The matter of calling a crash an accident really means no one could be charged with an offence.  Refer to the definition of an accident in the dictionary and what the law says about an incident that was caused by an unintentional accident.  So to stop calling collisions an accident was to make the incident more serious and better for court purposes. 

I recall back in my high school days attending a movie night on the after affects of fatal crashes, aimed to make soon to be drivers more aware of the dangers.  The films were shocking but when I got my licence I still did stupid things, it did not seem to work on myself or my mates. 

What did work was my old occupation and dealing with numerous serious and fatal collisions (yes, I was a serious crash investigator for a number of years) and telling mothers/fathers etc about the death of a loved one.  To this day I remember every one of them and still see the look of hatred in their eyes directed at me. 

I actually hate speed cameras.  I use to like being on the road and pulling drivers over for speeding.  Showing the flag so to speak.  I know there is a vast range of opinions on speed cameras so I don’t wish to get into a debate about them.   

Could one of the causes of crashes be that everyone seems to be in a hurry and have little patience?  It is amazing how different you feel when you have the mindset to be in no hurry, chill out and let the other go past you, and I don’t mean you go so slow to hold traffic up.  Kevin
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2015, 01:10:15 PM »
I hate speed cameras aswel but only the ones that are placed in areas where speeding is not always avoidable or intentional like at the bottom of a hill and where you may need to get a bit extra speed up to go up a hill with a trailer or merge. I believe they focus on speeding and drink drivers because they are profitable and don't bother with the others that can't drive/shouldn't drive or the ones that do 80 in a 100 zone when there no traffic


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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2015, 01:13:03 PM »
I believe they focus on speeding and drink drivers because they are profitable and don't bother with the others

Seriously?  So the police only book speeders and drunks becuse of profit motivation?

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2015, 01:18:48 PM »
Sorry to hear that. I really do sympathise with those who have had to go through something like this, and I would never wish it on anyone. I had a horrific start to my 20's. In the space of 12 months I lost my dad (head on with a semi-trailer when he fell asleep) and 3 other friends in separate accidents. In all cases they were just accidents. No drugs, no drink, no excessive speed, no silly behaviour, just accidents and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its just made me more aware when driving, but I know I am not infallible. No one is.

To go back to the OP - saying something is worse than 20 years ago over simplifies the fact that our populations and car ownership have increased dramatically in the last 20 years. Put simply, year on year, road fatalities have been falling whilst population and car ownership have been increasing.    If you look at deaths per 100million vehicle-km travelled they show a 4%per annum decline over the last 8 years.
         
I honestly believe this national road toll reporting is really just sensationalist headlines for the networks and as a by-product gives government's fuel to call for more speed cameras. The simple fact of the matter is that road deaths still only account for about 0.9% of all deaths in Australia, yet we don't have a National Easter Heart Disease Toll or Cancer Death Toll appearing on the 6pm news.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2015, 01:24:38 PM »
Speaking about "P" platers.....

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2015, 01:40:09 PM »
Seriously?  So the police only book speeders and drunks becuse of profit motivation?

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+1.  have to agree with KB here...

speed and drunken idiots are two of the biggest killers on the road.  hence the reason they concentrate on them...

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