Robin Williams dead

[Foo]

Depression yes.

Manic Depression with chronic anxiety - not always.

If your receptors are damaged, no amount of wishful thinking or chatting will join them up again.

My loved one has tried every known treatment.  I mean every known treatment.  One drug keeps them stable for much of the time.  Though the Dr's warn that eventually that too may not work real well.  Cross that bridge one day I expect.

All the best to all.

 

Foo

[Mace]

People underestimate the "totality" of the whole personal health package. Poor health in one domain leads to poor health in another.

Major surgery, any sort, can lead to prolonged mental health issues. Just getting over the full effect of a full general anethstesia can take 12 months. Then because you are in recovery mode, physical fitness declines. You're then on a downward spiral!

I've had mates who have had major problems after surgery, depression, bi polar onset, weight gain, the works. 12 months later, when they came out of  the initial drug induced torpor, they asked, "I did what"? How did you put up with me? All I said, was you're a mate, so I put up with it.

Unfortunately, many GP's don't work on the total package, they concentrate on what their area of knowledge is.

I'm by no means saying ignore your GP, but there are other wholistic options out there. In my case, my best freind was my chiropractor, who at least got my skeletal frame back into a reasonable condition so I could at least exercise a bit and keep the weight down. Being able to walk and exercise helps me keep other chronic disease factors at bay.

I'm not saying go out and look at mystical practitioners, or witch doctors, but at least have a talk to your GP about what allied health professionals may help.

[SteveandViv]

People underestimate the "totality" of the whole personal health package. Poor health in one domain leads to poor health in another.

Major surgery, any sort, can lead to prolonged mental health issues. Just getting over the full effect of a full general anethstesia can take 12 months. Then because you are in recovery mode, physical fitness declines. You're then on a downward spiral!

I've had mates who have had major problems after surgery, depression, bi polar onset, weight gain, the works. 12 months later, when they came out of  the initial drug induced torpor, they asked, "I did what"? How did you put up with me? All I said, was you're a mate, so I put up with it.

Unfortunately, many GP's don't work on the total package, they concentrate on what their area of knowledge is.

I'm by no means saying ignore your GP, but there are other wholistic options out there. In my case, my best freind was my chiropractor, who at least got my skeletal frame back into a reasonable condition so I could at least exercise a bit and keep the weight down. Being able to walk and exercise helps me keep other chronic disease factors at bay.

I'm not saying go out and look at mystical practitioners, or witch doctors, but at least have a talk to your GP about what allied health professionals may help.

Hi Mace,

So true. Even with a simply knee replacement I just had it is interesting to see just how these things can effect you. I know my knee is a big opp in it's self but no where as bad as others with other diseases.

What I did wrong was setting to many goals for getting to this stage I'm at now and while I am doing very well as far as healing goes I still feel I let myself down by not doing it within what I thought I could,l which of course is rubbish.

For me it was as simple as thinking gawd, I'm taking so many pain killers I must be turning into a druggie - how pathetic was that. I have a right to hurt for 4 weeks after a Total Knee Replacement and going to work for one day last week put me back almost a week.

So with all that I had a bad last week and punished the family for that, not in a big way but by being short.

Strange business that brain of ours......

[dazzler]

This morning on the news there was footage of somewhere in Africa with the Ebola outbreak.  There was a young girl, maybe 10yrs old, sitting on a wooden bed in a concrete room with blood around her feet.

Three blokes in white coveralls with hazmat were spraying the room, the bed and her with something from a spray pack.

Very sad. 

[Bird]

This morning on the news there was footage of somewhere in Africa with the Ebola outbreak.  There was a young girl, maybe 10yrs old, sitting on a wooden bed in a concrete room with blood around her feet.

Three blokes in white coveralls with hazmat were spraying the room, the bed and her with something from a spray pack.

Very sad.

That Shit is heartbreaking ... and that Shit is very deadly, hope it doesn't spread round the world.

[Hairs]

This is scarey sh1t

Sent from my cheap piece of crap

[raider]

That **** is heartbreaking ... and that **** is very deadly, hope it doesn't spread round the world.

One family early on raided the hospital and took there loved one(s) home. Then they sent a Spanish priest home for treatment ( he has since died ) and they also sent an aid worker home to America for treatment. Pretty easy way for it to potentially spread by accident. I thought I read that a drug company had been given the go ahead to test an unproven drug ( unproven by normal protocols ).
The conspiracy theorists could say that while it is in West Africa , the world doesn't really care but once it gets out in the world there could be big dollars to be made by drug companies.
If it is such a deadly disease why would you not contain it to the area and have the medical attention taken to them ?
Raider

[Mace]

It's taken them a month to put a containment area in place, which is a bit of an issue in itself. Unfortunately the new drugs are only available in minimal quantities, tens of doses, not thousands, and unproven on humans yet (on the BBC worldwide service last nite).

Yep, it's scary stuff. Initially transferred to humans by eating of bush meats I believe (fruit bats).

[ozstickman]

Sorry to move this around abit but...

When I was diagnosed with Bipolar type two I was placed on some drugs and also sent to a shrink.  The problem with the drugs is the body gets use to them then they don't do the job so well.  I was on a number of things but now - with GP guidence of course - I take only one pill a day and its a low dose.

I've changed my lifestyle, work, diet and heaps of other things to help myself, but the biggest thing that has helped me is family and friends that support me.  I've also made some new friends through different groups.

Years ago and even now there is a stigma of mental health but even seeing here on MYSWAG others with same as myself or other mental conditions shows that we aren't alone and no one is alone. 

Oh I also agree with a past post about a MENS SHED section. 

[Marschy]

The biggest hurdle for me with depression was simply admitting to myself that I have a mental health issue. It's not easy.

[speewa158]

Should any Swaggers start to look out at the dark side . PLEASE think about those you will leave behind to sort out the mess . you don't really want to burden them with this . Your out of it all , you leave them to pick up the reality of what has been done .


Reach out for somebody to talk to , help is not that war away  .
                         & it really worth the call


Sunrise tomorrow is well worth being there to watch    , join me doing this                     

[Mace]

^^^^^^

And a good place to start is around a campfire somewhere. Just think of every camping opportunity as another chance to de stress with good mates.
 

[speewa158]

Name the place l feel the need for Therapy  &   
             though l am self administrating my own prescription right about now .         






Things Can Only Get Better                                                         

[Bird]

The biggest hurdle for me with depression was simply admitting to myself that I have a mental health issue. It's not easy.

agree..
still hard to admit once professionals tell you - its not something you want to hear. but once you do its a good start on the hard road.

[topcat]

Should any Swaggers start to look out at the dark side . PLEASE think about those you will leave behind to sort out the mess . you don't really want to burden them with this . Your out of it all , you leave them to pick up the reality of what has been done .


Reach out for somebody to talk to , help is not that war away  .
                         & it really worth the call


Sunrise tomorrow is well worth being there to watch    , join me doing this                     

Hi Speewa, an article in The Age today has a slightly different angle-

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/depression-a-personal-struggle-that-can-be-healed-20140814-103r4t.html

More specifically the part "I used to think suicide was a cowardly act. A gutless cop-out committed by a person not willing to deal with whatever temporary problem was causing concern" - then goes on to talk in more detail.

Its a huge deal for someone to take their own life and must come at the end of a long dark road. While its those left behind who pick up the pieces, I can't be critical of those that do it. How to get effective help is the hard part and include all those around you.
TC

[Marschy]

This makes a lot more sense to me.

News.com.au: Robin Williams: actor Rob Schneider says Parkinson’s disease drugs led to star’s suicide

Speaking from personal experience, coronary heart disease medication is more likely to make you feel suicidal more so than Parkinson's medication. Beta blockers that regulate the heart beat make you feel like a zombie.

I can't speak for Robin Williams in regard what medication's he was taking and his other issues with alcohol, but beta blockers are a depressant, so is alcohol. The combination of both would or could be disastrous.

But more to the point, this is not what Rob Schneider is saying. He is saying the 'combination' of medication led to Robin's suicide, not simply the Parkinson's medication.

Either way the drug companies will run and duck for cover.

[Marschy]

Getting tired of the BS being spread by news corp.

Latest is that Robin Williams friend who owns a bike shop said that Robin indicated that he was scared his Parkinson's diagnosis made him fear that he would be unable to continue his bicycle riding which would lead him back to his addictions.

What a crock of BS. Cycling is actually recommended for people with this condition.

It would appear as though comments only get posted on the news web site now if you are paid up subscriber, pity, people like me would like to make comment contrary to the head line grabbing BS they continually circulate.