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kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« on: August 01, 2014, 08:14:04 AM »
We have recently acquired a 30acre block. We have the intentions of building on it and have to have our plans submitted by 18 jan 2018 so no rush to get it done but want to get an idea of costs that we will be looking at for building.

So what experiences have ppl had with the 3 options of building a house or another option we havnt thought of.

We arnt after a fancy house just basic 4/5 bdrm home with open plan living/dining/kitchen areas.

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2014, 09:42:32 AM »
My parents had a house built by Masterton Homes in Sydney in the 1980's. It was a 2 story display home. The only real change we made, was display home was on a wide block, our block was narrow, so had the house turned sideways. and the sliding doors and balcony changed to the new front wall. the plans and everything from memory were easy. They can sign you up in 3-4 weeks with completely new plans of their display home if you want changes.

My olds had plenty of issues from time dragging on (not weather related but their contractors were *busy*), and quality of what was built, and also the materials used in the end.

Remember what is shown in display homes isn't what you get either. usually they have the top shelf house on display and the lowest price with ** next to it.. EG: display home has 50 power points throughout, the one the price is listed for has 1.. Display home has garage doors, the priced one doesn't.. you'll be lucky if it includes taps.

These days houses are thrown up in record time and as a mate in Somerville has found out with some builders there is no interest unless its a housing estate where they are signed up to sign off on 20 houses in a month.  I often wonder what the quality will be like in 10-20yrs time.

Honestly I don't know what I'd do these days but I do like the idea of using a builder. GG maybe able to give a real good insight into it these days
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2014, 10:16:44 AM »
Work collegue just had a pre fab put on her property at Dalsford

1 slab down, 3 semi trailers and a crane and it was done

Honestly this place of theirs is a palace and you could not even tell it is prefab the finish is that good


Will be the way i go if i ever can afford my block down at Margaret River
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2014, 10:51:48 AM »
We recently went to this mob and had a look around.
Very impressed and material used and quality of workmanship.
Have inspected a few that been occupied as well.
We will go down this path in the future for our block.
Very informative website, should answer everything you need to know.
http://www.transportablehomesvic.com.au/

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2014, 11:00:29 AM »
Hi
I would think the prices would be dependent on how far the land is from Builders and sub-contractors, how much work is available in the area for them, and transport costs.
Generally, if the area is pretty well serviced by suppliers and tradies, a Builder would be better value and the plan would be more flexible. You also have whatever State Regulatory Board for protection if things go awry, but they may well be as week as water. If you go this way make sure everything is in writing including variations, specifications and inclusions in the price. If you are unsure on anything, get it clarified in writing.
Kit Homes can be economical if you are prepared to do a lot of work yourselves, however if you need to take time off from being productive it will cost you more, and prefabs can be good because most of the material supply and labour is locally sourced by the manufacturer and the transport, elect, plumbing and drainage connections are the main things done on site.
Most subcontractors and suppliers charge an owner builder more than a builder who gives them more regular work, so everything you get done costs more. This can end up costing more than a builders total price, take longer, and end in an inferior product but at least you have a sense of achievement.
I have seen cases where people from outside well populated areas receive a quote from a builder who pumps the price up because he doesn't want the job, but if he does get it he makes a tidy (rip-off) profit.
Then when the person decides to go owner builder, it comes in cheaper, although they take 6 months off work to build it, and then write another book on "How To Be An Owner Builder and save Thousands" and make $23.50 off the sale of three books, but it cost $15 000 in editing and printing.
In Brisbane a few years back I was working for a Builder that built standard houses and added around 25% for overheads and margin. We also sold the same plans as Kit Homes and added 35% to 40% to the cost of the main structure and plaster. That was effectively a bonus for doing a lot less work than building.
Prefabs have limitations in designs and sizes and material choices unless there is a bit of on-site construction adding the pieces together, but cost wise work out pretty well as there is limited trade work on site. These can also be quicker as the factory production style has less delays for weather and material supply.
Depending on the Local Authorities approval, relocated homes can be good value especially if more modern designs with the open plan you want are available.
Buy the house, move it on site and connect the services, and quite often all you need to do for the Council is repaint it. Banks don't particularly like to finance these but it can be done with a bit of research.
I don't think there is a simple answer to what you want, but there are options with a wide range of possibilities.
Good luck with your endeavor.
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2014, 11:58:12 AM »
For the option you haven't thought of, how about buying an existing house and having it moved to your block?  You don't say where you are, but this is often done in Queensland with the traditional timber Queenslander style houses.  Not sure how it works in other states.
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2014, 02:19:44 PM »
This thread looks familiar......DBW, my other love!

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 02:22:31 PM »
Sorry we are in nsw and the block we have bought is 40km/half hr drive out of the main town of cowra but prob 10min to woodstock.

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 02:25:02 PM »
This thread looks familiar......DBW, my other love!

lol yeh mate i posted there as well. The more opinions and information i can get the better equipped ill be when it comes to lay down the money.

When going with major builders to like hontondo homes ect do you get all the pre buidling surveys and tests including in the purchase price or still have to source yourself. Like soil testing ect.

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 03:35:29 PM »
We're in the same boat at the moment.

We would like to build a kit home (Paal Homes), or even owner build, but the finance is a killer. With the kit homes, you basically have to purchase the kit before the bank will give you any $$.

To answer your question re site soil classification and contour survey's, the builder can do them, but there's a charge.

If you want the reports to use elsewhere, you can buy them off the builder( some do this, some don't)

Or as was suggested to me by a mate in the industry, get them done yourself. They are then yours and you can do what you like with them.

And you can shop around.

All the best!

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2014, 06:57:25 PM »
My parents and me when I'm on days off are using Zego blocks to do the extension to the funeral home.

http://www.zego.com.au/

Something to look at instead of brick.  We haven't started building yet but I can get pics when we start.
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2014, 07:02:32 PM »
My parents and me when I'm on days off are using Zego blocks to do the extension to the funeral home.

http://www.zego.com.au/

Something to look at instead of brick.  We haven't started building yet but I can get pics when we start.
many years back on the Goldy they built a house next to one we were doing out of similar stuff.....was weird tapping on the outside of a rendered wall and not hearing the solid sound you expected...lol...i always wondered what happens when the kids ram a bike into it or the like?
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 12:31:09 AM »
We were looking at the transportable option, but to me it was a lot of extra $$$ for the convenience. We will probably go with a local building company if they will let me supply my own materials (discount from my work). Some of the major companies I wouldn't deal with personally after having to deal with them as a supplier, and knowing their quality (what they do to save money).

If I was loaded I would go with one of the local builders out on his own.

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 01:05:08 AM »
For transportable, check that the company can actually deliver via truck to the site, as when we looked at this option we were surprised to learn that many of the roads in theAdelaide Hills are not suitable or capable of carrying the required size. Cheers! Andrew
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 05:57:08 AM »
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2014, 06:08:37 AM »
Hi BLKWDW

See attached link. Ours is a prefab and the best looking house in the estate.
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2014, 07:38:51 AM »
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Thanks fuji will have a look.

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2014, 08:30:40 AM »
Camper Forum !

Yep it is.

Not sure why friends can't ask friends a question about something else though??? 

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« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2014, 08:53:08 AM »

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2014, 10:14:29 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2014, 10:34:00 AM »
General discussion
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That's what I thought too  :cheers:
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2014, 12:29:52 PM »
General discussion
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See I thought this thread was about building a "base camp"!  :D :D
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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2014, 01:45:32 PM »


Dmax owner!   ;D ;D

What's this bit picking on dmax owners. LOL  ;D

I have had posts on general discussion about buying a washing machine, an ereader, a shed etc so I think it is so very helpful for all of those things as well as camping info.  Especially with so many people on here.  :cheers:

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Re: kit homes vs pre fab vs builder built homes
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2014, 01:52:44 PM »
Dmax owners great people and generally well informed. First place I go to ask for info and advice:-)

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2014, 01:59:36 PM »
What's this bit picking on dmax owners. LOL  ;D

I have had posts on general discussion about buying a washing machine, an ereader, a shed etc so I think it is so very helpful for all of those things as well as camping info.  Especially with so many people on here.  :cheers:

Was I picking?? I thought I was just stating a fact , like he did in saying its a camper forum?

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