He Bought a Jeep....

[Garfish]

Sounds like a customer from hell, notwithstanding the lack of lemon laws in this country.

Let's see if he ever actually trashes the thing.

Qld has a lemon law,  or a version of it, where to claim a refund you have to prove that a normal person if they had known of the defect would not of bought the item.  It's not as strong as US laws but it also came into effect after this car , also Doreen apply at auctions or private sales. 

I used to have a Nissan spent 8 weeks in dealers in 1st 11 months. It would just lose all power randomly, like crossing a road, going through a roundabout starting in garage..... I wanted to test the lemon laws but it was a work vehicle and they weren't keen, so I got out of the vehicle gave the keys to work and told them to keep it,,,,

[Pipeliner]

Any make can produce a lemon, there's no need to suggest that Jeeps are bad based on one example.  I had a brand new Falcon many years ago that would unexpectedly shut down in the most inconvenient places (like the middle of an intersection at rush hour) but I wouldn't suggest that all Fords were cr@p on the basis of that.

Declaration of interest:  I've just bought my third new Jeep!

[Bird]

I just bought a LC200 Altitude today to replace an 18month old Jeep GC that has been sitting with Jeep for nearly 4 months and not fixed.

Same dealer??
Their plan worked. They sold you one, got the profit, and then sold you another 

[Pipeliner]

Hey, I'm on my third Jeep and they've all been good dependable vehicles - don't knock it.  I've pulled Toyissans out of trouble before now - and been pulled out by them in return.


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[gordo350]

I dodged the jeep bullet by buying a landrover

gordo350

[Coiled]

Same dealer??
Their plan worked. They sold you one, got the profit, and then sold you another 

Different dealers Bird! In fairness I don't think the issue is with the dealers as they seem to want to rectify but Chrysler are less than supportive. Only critical observation of the Jeep dealers, several tried to fix it (and probably systematic in the dealer service industry) is that they couldn't diagnose a flat tyre unless the on board diagnostics tell them.

[nbd73]

I just bought a LC200 Altitude today to replace an 18month old Jeep GC that has been sitting with Jeep for nearly 4 months and not fixed.

I made the same transition, though my GC was an 02 model.
Curious about your signature which says a 2013 patrol?

[Coiled]

I made the same transition, though my GC was an 02 model.
Curious about your signature which says a 2013 patrol?

Not silly enough to buy a Jeep! It was my inlaws who didnt know better and were swept into the hype of its fitout spec and being far better than previous models and designed by former Merc engineer etc.

Cruiser Vs Patrol is personal preference but you can count on both to have the best chance of getting you there and back with the ability to be fixed if something goes astray.

[nbd73]

Not silly enough to buy a Jeep! It was my inlaws who didnt know better and were swept into the hype of its fitout spec and being far better than previous models and designed by former Merc engineer etc.

Cruiser Vs Patrol is personal preference but you can count on both to have the best chance of getting you there and back with the ability to be fixed if something goes astray.

Understood, I must have missed an earlier post that explained this.
Alas I was silly enuff, and my story is every bit as bad, if not worse, than the subject of this thread.

[time]

Update ................... the Jeep is set to be destroyed next weekend ! Check here http://www.destroymyjeep.com/

Every time that ad for Jeep with the neighbours grass a mile high comes on the TV our response is "Yeah poor bastard is broken down somewhere"!

[JCOJ]

Every time that ad for Jeep with the neighbours grass a mile high comes on the TV our response is "Yeah poor bastard is broken down somewhere"!

That's what we say everytime too - because it is so true!!   

[time]

Here is the re run of the ebay ad, first buyer piked. Sold for $207.50 this time round.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/49-000-Jeep-Cherokee-2010-NO-RESERVE-Destroy-My-Jeep-youre-buying-the-wreck-/331318634364?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4d2421277c

[oldmate]

if i wasnt going camping i reckon it would be a fun day out

[Homer_Jay]

Geez, old mate isnt just a bit unhappy is he??

The jeep might win the final round if they hit the fuel tank/start fire, and damage his $250k excavator in the process!

Good on him though for not selling the car on to some poor unsuspecting buyer 

[scarps]

That's what we say everytime too - because it is so true!!   

seriously, I understand the Jeep thing.
13 years of Jeep ownership without any major hiccups or issues.
Which is why I've just bought a Navara:-)
I want to keep it this way.




It's a Narvara STX V6 TD 3.0L

[JCOJ]

seriously, I understand the Jeep thing.
13 years of Jeep ownership without any major hiccups or issues.
Which is why I've just bought a Navara:-)
I want to keep it this way.




It's a Narvara STX V6 TD 3.0L

Where did you get the sticker made up - I'd like one similar (but with Toyota!!)

Oh - I've had two Jeeps, I was stupid enough to give them a second chance but that was worse than the first one!!  Never again!

[scarps]

Where did you get the sticker made up - I'd like one similar (but with Toyota!!)

Oh - I've had two Jeeps, I was stupid enough to give them a second chance but that was worse than the first one!!  Never again!

ebay

[briann532]

Just out of interest, We called in and had a look at the new Grand Cherokee's yesterday.
I do like the look of them, BUT..............

Yes they had a nice finish, but nothing grabbed my attention.
It was just another car. a bit bigger than your standard car, but just another car.
There seemed to be no endearing feature or wow factor in any of it.
I may as well have been sitting in a commodore or a Kia or a "any other" brand.

Outside has a nice shape and looks good, but again its no jag. ( no jag price tag either though!!!)

I think I'll stick the the playdo for a while. It does everything we want, comfortably, efficiently and so far hassle free.
Although if I ever find that damn beeper that Bill Gates uses to tell me what is happening or not happening, i shove it so far up the salemans @$& that he'll be sneezing beeps for eternity.....

To me, jeeps are like a pretty girl. Nice to look at, but far too expensive to run and you just know its going to give you grief.

Brian

[scarps]

To me, jeeps are like a pretty girl. Nice to look at, but far too expensive to run and you just know its going to give you grief.

Brian

potentially too true

[Oldandslow]

Geez, old mate isnt just a bit unhappy is he??

The jeep might win the final round if they hit the fuel tank/start fire, and damage his $250k excavator in the process!

Good on him though for not selling the car on to some poor unsuspecting buyer 

Yes, imagine buying a car and having the clock not keeping good time and a loose mirror, I would probably cut my wrists.

[Jasman]

I reckon you guys are being overly harsh on Jeep as you'd be lucky to find any brand that hasn't had a lone crusader that has received a legitimate lemon and has proceeded to advertise the fact to all and sundry.  Go to any enthusiast site and have a read of the issues people are having, including pradopoint, newranger, etc

I can't speak for the other models but the WK2 (this is current Grand Cherokee that Mercedes designed for them) is in my opinion the best value 4WD's on the Australian Market and considering it's the number one selling vehicle in it's class I guess the greater portion of the population agree.  Yes they've had problems but as a percentage I don't think this would be highly out of the ordinary, the bulk of the issues that I've come across are more down to parts availability by a slack importer than major issues with the vehicles.  I think the recall issues can probably be put down largely to being made in the litigious USA as my recalls have all been inspection only from memory and quite frankly I find the recalls somewhat comforting.

The main competitor to the WK2 is a Prado and I've spent plenty of time in both cars and unless I was spending the bulk of my time on the dirt I would buy the Jeep.  The Prado greatly benefits from it's ladder chassis, dual tanks and tail gate mounted spare which make it a great Offroad tourer but like most people my car spends a whole lot of time on road and the two simply don't compare in this use case. I would suggest anyone that has lived with both car for a week and said the Prado is a better drivers car are victims of some kinda brain washing.  The Jeep is tens years newer in design, has about 30% more kW and torque, 3 extra cogs, can tow a ton more and about 1000 extra bells and whistles.

Jeep owners have a habit of seeking out other Jeep owners so you talk to a lot of owners and in general they love there trucks.  Go up and ask any WK2 owner sitting at a servo what they think of their vehicle and 95% of the time they tell you it's the best fourby they've owned and how much better it is then there previous drive or how much better it tows the van.  Also, what I'm starting to see now that the WK2 is a few years old is that people are upgrading to new WK2's.

Now to put my money where my mouth is.  I turn over my cars about every two years (work expense) and I have no brand loyalty, 2.5 years ago I bought a new WK2 and I did over 50k in it mostly on the road but I have used it on the beach plenty and have done my share of bush tracks and it has been the easiest car to live with I've owned - In terms of problems it did have an alternator fail. When it came time to update I once again weighed up the competition and last week I took delivery of a new WK2!!

Yes I love my Jeep but looking forward to see what next Prado looks like!

[Bullant4x4]

I truly feel sorry for Jeep owners. They get lied and deceived to and they must be gullible to believe it.

I think we could get a charity to help these poor soles that have been ripped off.

4x4 is more that a dirt road with puddles on it. But then again I wouldn't go that extreme in a jeep.

[scarps]

Hi Jasman, history would show that I have been very pro Jeep for the last 13 years, and agree value for money, driveability, economy, and comfort, the WK2 is one of the best.
I have just sold mine after 2&1/2years and was somewhat sad to see it go. The resale value is fantastic btw.
Here's the reasons why I chose to not continue.
1-Jeep customer service at a national level. I was part of the infamous 'what, no front recovery points era'. Their attitude was appaling to anyone that's not a soccer mum. I continue to see and read of this attitude.
Having said that, the team at my local dealer - Northern Motor Group, were nothing but professional.
2-the availability of aftermarket products one would expect for even the grey nomad scene was too slow to support.
3 - I'm all about planning a lap of the map (and I'm not talking about Tasmania, too old for that now), and the horror service stories that I have read on the Ausjeepoffroad forum about service knowledge and availability outside of major cities, left me no confidence that I would not get stuck in uppacumbucka west for a month waiting for parts.
3 - at my 50k service, the transfer case oil was due to be changed, as the oil drained out, several teeth off the drive chain cogs dropped out of the drain hole. Under warranty an entire new transfer case was fitted. 
4 - The DPF issue, while not prevalent and yes an issue in many new diesels, is about to become real for many city owners that don't give it a good long regular run. While it was never an issue for mine, once the trouble begins, resale value will plummet as is the history with many Jeeps.
Btw, one of my neighbours is a man by the name of Allan Gray who knows a little bit about this area.

So, yes agree, the WK2 and for me the KJ before that were both excellent 4wd's and both have gone to very happy owners, but my Jeep journey is over, and have done so while the memories are good.

Edit : there was one special moment where I had an infamous myswag'r ride in the front passenger seat that will go down in the anys of history, but He's sworn me to secrecy:-)

[dazzler]

I can't speak for the other models but the WK2 (this is current Grand Cherokee that Mercedes designed for them)

I always get a chuckle out of that. Mercedes designed. They also designed and supplied parts for ssangyong and others. How good are they! 

Jeep are not that bad. They are like Land Rover. You need to be an enthusiast to love em is all.

I would have one. If that goddam POS Prado would stop being so, well, damned reliable.




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[Jasman]

Hi Jasman, history would show that I have been very pro Jeep for the last 13 years, and agree value for money, driveability, economy, and comfort, the WK2 is one of the best.
I have just sold mine after 2&1/2years and was somewhat sad to see it go. The resale value is fantastic btw.
Here's the reasons why I chose to not continue.
1-Jeep customer service at a national level. I was part of the infamous 'what, no front recovery points era'. Their attitude was appaling to anyone that's not a soccer mum. I continue to see and read of this attitude.
Having said that, the team at my local dealer - Northern Motor Group, were nothing but professional.
2-the availability of aftermarket products one would expect for even the grey nomad scene was too slow to support.
3 - I'm all about planning a lap of the map (and I'm not talking about Tasmania, too old for that now), and the horror service stories that I have read on the Ausjeepoffroad forum about service knowledge and availability outside of major cities, left me no confidence that I would not get stuck in uppacumbucka west for a month waiting for parts.
3 - at my 50k service, the transfer case oil was due to be changed, as the oil drained out, several teeth off the drive chain cogs dropped out of the drain hole. Under warranty an entire new transfer case was fitted. 
4 - The DPF issue, while not prevalent and yes an issue in many new diesels, is about to become real for many city owners that don't give it a good long regular run. While it was never an issue for mine, once the trouble begins, resale value will plummet as is the history with many Jeeps.
Btw, one of my neighbours is a man by the name of Allan Gray who knows a little bit about this area.

Hey Scarps, I've followed your car over on Ausjeep and I was part of the recovery hook issue as well so I feel your pain.  Glad to see you did well on the resale, I traded mine and whilst not Prado territory I did end up with a little positive equity in the deal, I think it would have done much better if it was a diesel and if I hadn't of over capitalised it by adding the QuadraLift but as long as I don't have negative equity I'm happy.

If I was doing long range touring I wouldn't own one either for fear of the lack of country support, these things seem to very complicated and need specialist training to work on them and I don't think Jeep has enough regional support to make them the right option for this use case also with the lack of parts you could be sitting in some dusty road house for a long time waiting.

In terms of DPF I think it's by product of modern diesels and the push to cut emissions, unfortunately I think it's now something that has to be lived with.  It seems to me like most of the modern diesels that are being built for the next round of emission laws are suffering from this.  I'd be interested in Allan's opinion on this if you want to ask him?

Here's hoping my transfer case keeps all it's teeth!!

I always get a chuckle out of that. Mercedes designed.   

Yeah, it's a trick we use to play down the fact that we bought a Jeep, "nah, it's not a Jeep, Mercedes designed it, think of it more as an ML150 but half the price"