NSW Fires

[Fizzie]

Thanks Ed, I was looking at it too. Probably head up to Grafton and pick my way through to Casino, Kyogle, sneak through Lions Rd and to Beaudesert.

ATM, Mt Lindesay Hwy is closed at Rathdowney heading South, but Lions Rd appears to be OK

As far as traveling goes, Qld fires mapping and warnings are just atrocious ... It only shows the point of origin and assumes way to much local knowledge,

I agree with you entirely As you say, it's apparently all based on the original position of any fire, & all subsequent reports refer to that position, so that you have the fire that destroyed Binna Burra listed as Sarabah, 20k away!

& that fire , has apparently now flared up again, but it's showing the original location & date, but they refer to a spot south of Binna Burra, even further away

https://www.ruralfire.qld.gov.au/map/Pages/default.aspx

I'll put a QLD map together as well - if you look at the one I have made for NSW, I've pulled in data from GeoScience Australia's Hotspot Mapping system (https://hotspots.dea.ga.gov.au/), so that shows the detected heat in the last 72hrs; this would at least enable you to have some idea as to where the fire fronts are...

Thanks, Ed - awesome work

The problem I have with these 2 sites is that they don't match up

As above, there's supposedly 3 fires in teh GC Hinterland, but Sentinal only shows 1

https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/?utm_source=promotion&utm_medium=homepage&utm_content=Sentinel&utm_campaign=Online-Tools


Tried to show links to the maps but they won't copy at zoomed level

[Fizzie]

& there you go

On the news last night, apparently Qld Firies are complaining that they don't have access to decent maps showing where fires are, as they reckon the Qld RFB map is useless, so they use the WA map https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/ (Looks a lot like your work, Ed )

Our Dear Leader, Ana Phylaxis, then got up to say they don't know what they're talking about as Qld has the best firies, best resources & best maps in the World!

Cut to one of the QFES top brass who explained that they have fantastic maps in use, but they aren't accessible by the general public, as they're so detailed, you have to be trained specifically in how to read them

[Paddler Ed]

& there you go

On the news last night, apparently Qld Firies are complaining that they don't have access to decent maps showing where fires are, as they reckon the Qld RFB map is useless, so they use the WA map https://myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au/ (Looks a lot like your work, Ed )

Our Dear Leader, Ana Phylaxis, then got up to say they don't know what they're talking about as Qld has the best firies, best resources & best maps in the World!

Cut to one of the QFES top brass who explained that they have fantastic maps in use, but they aren't accessible by the general public, as they're so detailed, you have to be trained specifically in how to read them

I'd say 99% they're using the same data source, just made nice

Landgate has really good spatial bits and pieces which does make it easier

[Hairs]

I've been watching this fire for a few days now, it started in tbe Washpool State Forest, it has burnt nearly 60000ha.
https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/
Wind has picked up, pushing it SE, which is only 26km's from Lawrence.
There are also many farms, homes in this country.

[Paddler Ed]

I've been watching this fire for a few days now, it started in tbe Washpool State Forest, it has burnt nearly 60000ha.
https://sentinel.ga.gov.au/#/
Wind has picked up, pushing it SE, which is only 26km's from Lawrence.
There are also many farms, homes in this country.

That's the source for the dots on my map, it's just people don't know about that one so this put them together.

Went on the university Twitter feed the other day, on top of on here, Facebook and LinkedIn.

[Hairs]

That's the source for the dots on my map, it's just people don't know about that one so this put them together.

Went on the university Twitter feed the other day, on top of on here, Facebook and LinkedIn.

The air is thick with smoke here in Lawrence, partially burnt gum leaves are falling.
I hope those that live there are well prepared.
 

[JusyApples]

Damn climate change causing fires again


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[Fizzie]

"Back burn for the protection of a cannabis crop"

How much strife are you in now

[bmwfreak]

Maybe one of the few allowed to grow for medicinal purposes

[JusyApples]

Some people are just brain dead. I read the other day that at least 3 people have been given large fines for breaching the fire ban this week. Who knows how many weren’t caught.


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[gronk]

Some people are just brain dead. I read the other day that at least 3 people have been given large fines for breaching the fire ban this week. Who knows how many weren’t caught.


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To be fair, a lot of people don't listen to the radio or TV, and a lot of "new" Australians in cities have no idea !!

[Paddler Ed]

"Back burn for the protection of a cannabis crop"

How much strife are you in now

Maybe one of the few allowed to grow for medicinal purposes

From what I've heard today, the fire just scraped someone we knows property, they saved the shed and the house though.

[Hoyks]

I sent a strongly worded letter to my local member complaining about the quality of information available to the general public via the QLD RFS website.

I can see people being trapped or killed because the available mapping is that poor that you have no real idea of where the fire actually is and safe evacuation routes.

My letter has been forwarded to the relevant minister, lets see if I get considered reply.

[Bird]

I sent a strongly worded letter to my local member complaining about the quality of information available to the general public via the QLD RFS website.

I can see people being trapped or killed because the available mapping is that poor that you have no real idea of where the fire actually is and safe evacuation routes.

My letter has been forwarded to the relevant minister, lets see if I get considered reply.

expect a form letter with your name in a different font

[Paddler Ed]

I sent a strongly worded letter to my local member complaining about the quality of information available to the general public via the QLD RFS website.

I can see people being trapped or killed because the available mapping is that poor that you have no real idea of where the fire actually is and safe evacuation routes.

My letter has been forwarded to the relevant minister, lets see if I get considered reply.

Give this a go:
http://arcg.is/1PjK9

As you've already said, the QLD fire information data contextualisation is a problem, this might help a bit.

In 2 days, my NSW map has had over 2,000 visits, has made it onto the University's official Twitter feed and has quite a few people using it to supplement what is already known.

When you read in the SMH that

“We’re in the best position up here because we can spot fires and helicopters overhead,” says Helen Rushton, who together with husband Owen runs a 60-acre hobby farm, raising some livestock, fruit and vegetables. The couple, in their 50s, have also been monitoring weather maps and radar but have “given up” on the RFS Fires Near Me app.

“You get a warning saying the fire is in your area, but you open the app and you go ‘where the hell is it?’ The Kian Road fire threatened [nine areas] but doesn't tell you whether its burning down the front, up the back, to the left or right,” Helen says.

(my bolding)

It's a reassuring validation that your stuff is going to do the job...

[alnjan]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/nsw-bushfires-conditions-set-to-continue-expert/11698322?pfmredir=sm&fbclid=IwAR1tVGSDqnv0X-hih0vgPz-5GF5j6RdkTg7nogYpuDKOwYAY1sE7zwv6IgY

NSW Police have charged two men with stealing firefighting equipment during Tuesday's bushfire crisis, as they probe several "suspicious" blazes around the state.

[Hairs]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-13/nsw-bushfires-conditions-set-to-continue-expert/11698322?pfmredir=sm&fbclid=IwAR1tVGSDqnv0X-hih0vgPz-5GF5j6RdkTg7nogYpuDKOwYAY1sE7zwv6IgY

NSW Police have charged two men with stealing firefighting equipment during Tuesday's bushfire crisis, as they probe several "suspicious" blazes around the state.

Christ there are some scum that walk among us.

[alnjan]

Christ there are some scum that walk among us.

The lady at the end sums it up well

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/videos/729977397506859/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARBGDaVCpFsJ1obqz4HwmTRHLau7H13OTp-Feht6SRKSAeCpfv8L1tjVgkgyGEVbhIi3JES4DY1dkK62&hc_ref=ARQVutRwxJQC_mFZ9cjxsBvU5CMldMr8IQwxS-JJvGwyO5CSU7yKscz0sgprnVaopAo&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBBys1TL3FC3MFbfb56b99GJuQkGhrIi2wKm8q_65AVlMwaJZu4wZbOElWYiG2fAhE3DvSi8fH68fgvCbnwwOPE6ZnekstizoJKiYN9GLckAKKuhfu80koomige6pkyzISr1GhUYGLy9NcuazwnzPQFrTCJ9jyH6-JJgwgqy3Lg_qjTZbIY061OIcqBi61sKBTXSf-B7Hhy-I_wY4yqyO7LyC9Z25v-uQFEQ8HKCvluh7hAaN8uxZn5e96gFQt3RX-6AgmI4qWKgVWzYieBQYha9OonT4gU69lFBrXVeKyaxb6to-lQ54CxOmb8piBDfrp9uxdDpCxi1135YFdSi5dsbWQWKoamxEc

[JusyApples]

To be fair, a lot of people don't listen to the radio or TV, and a lot of "new" Australians in cities have no idea !!

But really when it’s a 30 degree day, it’s dry and windy, do you really need to be told not to light a fire? Common sense..


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[Hairs]

A bit of a worry with the forecasted weather not helping Fireries , if these two fires meet, thst's alot of country and homes in this area.
The country between Banyabba, Bundjalung & Gibbagee, is tinder dry.
I working on a property near Tabbimobile two months ago, there are homes on ten ha blocks everywhere. Normally the country is mosquito infested, didn't notice one.
Yesterday, I thought I haven't seen a Mozzie for ages.
 

[Hairs]

The lady at the end sums it up.

I read a comment, can't find it now, but some said, 'They live surrounded by bush, they need to deal with it'
FM, some people just have no idea or empathy.
Talking with a couple of RFS guys, they said you couldn't prepare for these fire storms,They still lost property that were prepared.

A nut case of a woman in town here, arguing in a FB group why she isn't allowed to have a fire in her back yard, yet the cane farmers can still burn.
She doesn't understand Her yard is a fire hazard, 3 foot tall grass, dead bushes, trees over hanging the house/sheds,  paper and rubbish across the yard, and it's a Vermin  haven.
How did we get to where some people believe such crap.

[Troopy_03]

The lady at the end sums it up well

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/videos/729977397506859/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARBGDaVCpFsJ1obqz4HwmTRHLau7H13OTp-Feht6SRKSAeCpfv8L1tjVgkgyGEVbhIi3JES4DY1dkK62&hc_ref=ARQVutRwxJQC_mFZ9cjxsBvU5CMldMr8IQwxS-JJvGwyO5CSU7yKscz0sgprnVaopAo&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBBys1TL3FC3MFbfb56b99GJuQkGhrIi2wKm8q_65AVlMwaJZu4wZbOElWYiG2fAhE3DvSi8fH68fgvCbnwwOPE6ZnekstizoJKiYN9GLckAKKuhfu80koomige6pkyzISr1GhUYGLy9NcuazwnzPQFrTCJ9jyH6-JJgwgqy3Lg_qjTZbIY061OIcqBi61sKBTXSf-B7Hhy-I_wY4yqyO7LyC9Z25v-uQFEQ8HKCvluh7hAaN8uxZn5e96gFQt3RX-6AgmI4qWKgVWzYieBQYha9OonT4gU69lFBrXVeKyaxb6to-lQ54CxOmb8piBDfrp9uxdDpCxi1135YFdSi5dsbWQWKoamxEc

This may be easier.

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/videos/729977397506859/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARBGDaVCpFsJ1obqz4HwmTRHLau7H13OTp-Feht6SRKSAeCpfv8L1tjVgkgyGEVbhIi3JES4DY1dkK62&hc_ref=ARQVutRwxJQC_mFZ9cjxsBvU5CMldMr8IQwxS-JJvGwyO5CSU7yKscz0sgprnVaopAo&fref=nf

[Bigfish]

I read a comment, can't find it now, but some said, 'They live surrounded by bush, they need to deal with it'
FM, some people just have no idea or empathy.
Talking with a couple of RFS guys, they said you couldn't prepare for these fire storms,They still lost property that were prepared.

A nut case of a woman in town here, arguing in a FB group why she isn't allowed to have a fire in her back yard, yet the cane farmers can still burn.
She doesn't understand Her yard is a fire hazard, 3 foot tall grass, dead bushes, trees over hanging the house/sheds,  paper and rubbish across the yard, and it's a Vermin  haven.
How did we get to where some people believe such crap.

And yet we have sugar cane farms still burning their crops with ash falling kilometers away from the fields.  This on a day of fire bans in the Cairns region.  The excuse....we had permits.  FFS ..what do these f wits use for brains..

[Hairs]

Bigfish,
Please correct my if I'm wrong,
In the Clarence valley I believe there has never been a cane fire, even in a total fire ban that has escaped the controlled area and caused damaged. Yes the paddock next the one being burnt has had to be burnt and harvested.
These guys are very well experienced in this practice.
They are not some numpty that has only ever lite a camp fire, these guys are 3rd/4th generation farmers, but what would they know?
Have you stood and watched a cane burn?
I've watched 100's, they are skilled in their craft.

[MarkGU]

And yet we have sugar cane farms still burning their crops with ash falling kilometers away from the fields.  This on a day of fire bans in the Cairns region.  The excuse....we had permits.  FFS ..what do these f wits use for brains..

Cane farmers even on days where there is no fire restrictions WONT burn where there is wind involved.Cane fires create their own wind when they burn.Cane farmers are not going to burn on those days where we had severe winds. They just wont risk their livelihood by burning in such conditions.
PS.yes, i have worked in the cane industry and have fire up cane fields as a part of that employment.