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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2012, 01:23:27 PM »
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My son likes to try and reach the water while we are crossing deep water. Fun for the while family. This was Nolans last year and I know a lot of swaggers that also did this crossing with out harm.

My son wound his window up as the water stated to come in over it. Mine stayed open.




Having been involved with the SES in searched for people & cars washed away in flood waters I think it is plain stupid and irresponsible  to be taking a child in a car through deep water, one small thing can go wrong and the child could be easily drowned and you would have to live with that fact for ever.

The water in the picture is up to the windows, it could easily become a disaster.

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Re: is it an issue?
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2012, 02:28:12 PM »
If you are that worried about the crossing in a car, kids or no kids should you really be walking it?

I dont get it ??? you are worried about life in a vehicle yet your willing to walk into that very same risk.

Yes I agree water crossings need to be planned and inspected but if you think its going to be that dangerouse in a car just stay away.

Every option of preperation for the what if something goes wrong has merits but if it comes down to it and things are going to be that close turn around and find another way or go somewhere else.

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2012, 03:52:55 PM »
Now you've dont it, I want a Fubar Forceible Entry Tool now :)
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2012, 04:15:43 PM »
the hooligan tool was good fun at the training center :)
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2012, 04:24:20 PM »
Not many doors I couldn't open back in the time using a 5 pound key.
Was too easy, just whack the hinges, never the lock.

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2012, 06:14:09 PM »
the hooligan tool was good fun at the training center :)



And great fun in real life, it's amazing the uses they have. ;D  ;D
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2012, 06:21:00 PM »
Ok so I guess we have established some of you commited a few break and enters in your youth.  ;D
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2012, 06:51:10 PM »
Ok so I guess we have established some of commited a few break and enters in your youth.  ;D

It is common equipment on fire trucks.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2012, 06:54:27 PM »
It is common equipment on fire trucks.

Just goes to cement my case mate, I never trust the firies. It's got nothing to do with how my missus reacts when they are around  :D

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #59 on: June 25, 2012, 07:22:40 PM »
Just goes to cement my case mate, I never trust the firies. It's got nothing to do with how my missus reacts when they are around  :D

I'll happily guarantee she won't react that way with me or most of my brigade mate. :cheers:
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2012, 07:41:53 PM »
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2012, 08:30:05 PM »
Having been involved with the SES in searched for people & cars washed away in flood waters I think it is plain stupid and irresponsible  to be taking a child in a car through deep water, one small thing can go wrong and the child could be easily drowned and you would have to live with that fact for ever.

The water in the picture is up to the windows, it could easily become a disaster.

TURN BACK and find another way !!!

It's Nolans Brook, you can't turn back , it's not that far and there were 50 people watching as the other 15 cars crossed as well. You have no idea what that situation was and the circumstances of why I was fine doing that crossing. I happy and comfortable with my experience in these situations, thanks for your concern. By the way, it was tons of fun and we had a ball. The only thing drowned were a few different vehicles, mostly because they didn't prepare correctly and had no idea what they were doing - that's where the danger is.

If you want to travel the Gulf of Carpenteria, the OTL there are no other ways around the 30 odd crossing we had to do to get from Broome to Cairns to Cape York, many of them only a slight bit shallower. As long as you stop and ensure you are prepared and know what your doing these crossings are quite doable..
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2012, 08:39:59 PM »
We have two of these in the car instead of the big hammer. Can get them pretty cheap from ebay.

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2012, 09:32:38 PM »
Ok so I guess we have established some of you commited a few break and enters in your youth.  ;D

Only the enters  :police:

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #64 on: June 25, 2012, 09:39:15 PM »
Question. Are these not the same as we all got with our Cargo Barriers? Not sure if the belt cutter is on them though. Mine is in the boot, so to speak so can't be sure.

That perfect if your in your boot when doing the water crossing  ;D

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #65 on: June 25, 2012, 09:55:04 PM »
Now you've dont it, I want a Fubar Forceible Entry Tool now :)
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #66 on: June 25, 2012, 11:40:22 PM »
That perfect if your in your boot when doing the water crossing  ;D
But like I said - remember. I don't need to cut the seat belt as I'm not wearing it and I have the windows open so I don't need to break it. They are sold with a cargo barrier and are needed if you have people sitting in the rear seat area. I have shelves so no one can get in there anyway so ...

Right, that should clarify that remark - next.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 08:13:24 AM »
Steve your windows don't appear down in that shot but looking at the water level I don't think they would want to be.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2012, 09:03:06 AM »
Steve your windows don't appear down in that shot but looking at the water level I don't think they would want to be.

My window was, Dan's wasn't. He wound it up as we started. I mentioned that in my previous post. He wound it up as the water started to come in the window. It's a strange feeling when you can see it moving past you like that. I cold slap the water with my right arm. The most amazing thing is the weight you can feel trying to push through that.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2012, 10:39:36 AM »
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It is common equipment on fire trucks.
Yup, all village protection stations had them at the start once people had run the VF training, then they were issues to all stations
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2012, 09:27:27 PM »
well, glad it got back on the the original question - water crossings. So how fast are you going that deep to need a seat belt on. Seriously if you have ever been in a crossing that deep you would know there is no way you can get that fast as to need  seat belt. I would rather have the windows down (and do) and have no seat belts on (I don't either in these cases) and as mentioned no pissing around trying to find cutters and knifes and windscreen hammers. Also life jackets are a bad idea as they will only cause to hold you up rather than letting you get out through the window. Think about the airline safety - don't inflate until you exit the plane!

My seven year old loves deep crossing and did all with me last year when we did the Cape. IMO none were even remotely going to cause a problem and I would say those who have done the same would also agree. If you enter a river flowing to fast then you should have turned back as mentioned.

Oh this is my opinion and no opinions were hurt in the making of mine.

My son likes to try and reach the water while we are crossing deep water. Fun for the while family. This was Nolans last year and I know a lot of swaggers that also did this crossing with out harm.

My son wound his window up as the water stated to come in over it. Mine stayed open.



I get what your saying steve that the Milford cargo barriers come with these attached to the rear side, I to have one also and moved it to the side the cars passengers are seated on where it can be used. Theres no point in it being back there when theres no one siting back there.
But then I see you comment that your window stayed down when your sons went up as seen in your pic.
My point for you and others was if your in a situation like "rossow" was were the car rolled onto its side in the water....lets say the drivers side...what would you do????

Steve, my comments aren't in any way an attack just a safety point for you & your family and others that may read this. Your not the only person to have left the tool still cable tied back there would hate to see some one need it, have it but not reach it when it matters.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #72 on: August 23, 2012, 07:28:41 PM »
The 3 questions that need to be asked of your self.....

Do I have to go their ?

Is my vehicle capable of going their ?

Am I capable of taking my vehicle their ?

If the answer is no to even one of these........you got your answer.

In ever day life we make risk Vs. gain decisions.........assess using YOUR level of experience and proceed accordingly.

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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2012, 08:22:30 PM »
The reason the hammers are in the back on the cargo barrier is in case you get locked in the boot and have to smash the window.
Obviously with a cargo barrier you can't climb over the seats.

This is a great thread, learning lots of valuable info.
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Re: Water crossing with kids - how should you do it?????
« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2012, 11:09:05 PM »
Eeek this thread has really freaked me out and I was really excited about trying river crossings.... now not so much.
I guess it was something I hadn't even thought about, and not having done much serious 4wd I hadn't even imagined it as a possibility.
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