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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2012, 12:03:56 AM »
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I am not having a go at you champ, infact I agree with most of what you have said. But the simple fact is most (law abiding) rec fishers want to distance themselves from all of the issues associated with the undersize fish that are taken by various groups around the country and put them in a different box. They don't fit in another box they are rec fishers and they have can impact on the fishery.


No offence taken, but in all honesty I'm not sure why you keep implying law abiding fishers want to distance theselves from the the non-law abiding fishers  ???.  The fishing groups I'm involved with are quite aware that there are fisher people who do the wrong thing, whether through anti-social behaviour, littering or taking undersized fish.... no different to any group.... such as car enthusiast, not hoons, hunters, not rednecks,  social drinkers, not drunks.  But generally these are the minority, and not the majority, so it's kind of condescending to suggest we're distancing ourselves, or in denial, or are naive - I think you need to give us a bit more credit.

I can only comment on what is / has happened in SA, but the rest of your points simply support exactly what I said initially - why introduce more marine parks, which require more management, when the management being done now, whether state or federal based, simply isn't working?  Point in case, by your own admission you said, QUOTE - "They catch and kill everything. And yes I book em, but still they come " ..... so why is that Jason?  Lack of resources, lack of education, or the penalities simply not stiff enough?  Whatever the reason it obviously needs changing, and perhaps if it was working you wouldn't be constantly booking the re-offenders, the fish stocks would improve (if you believe this was the cause), and tax payers would be better off generally because the government wouldn't be throwing billions (not millions) introducing marine parks and paying compensation to those industries out of pocket.

Going back specifically to SA, we have bag and size limits that have, over the years, changed such that the number of fish a person can take per day has significantly reduced, and the size limits of ""keeper fish increased also.  Year on year the number of rec fisherman actively participating in fishing is actually reducing, not increasing.  In SA the total commercial catch of target species such as whiting, snapper and calamari is a significantly greater proportion, than the total recreational take.  Yet the state governement initially proposed that 44% of our waters should be marine parks, and of that (from memory) 11% no take zones.  Most people who wouldn't know better would say that 11% of the ocean being allocated as no take zones seems fair, but it just happens that the majority of the no-take zones just happen to be in the best fishing locations (reefy areas, bombies etc).  We thanked the government for giving us the remaining 89% of ocean to fish, but it's not real fun fishing on flat sandy sea floors - the fish don't like living in these areas either!

So in SA the recs take vastly less than the commecial fisherman, we have regularly had our allowable daily catch limit reduced whilst the size of fish that can be kept has increased, and the number of people participating in recreational fishing is reducing....... so why is there so much fear mongering that we are raping and pillaging the seas and causing the bulk of the destruction?  There is study after study that has been done in SA that shows that stormwater run off and pollution has done significant damage to the local marine environment and killed off hundreds of square km's of sea grass and scallops beds, where whiting breed and snapper feed.  I agree that recreational fishers probably contribute along the way to pollution and taking undersized fish, but it pales into insignificance when you look at what is being dumped into the sea by big industries, desalination plants, whilst prawn trawlers and other styles of commercial fishing kill off tons of undersized fish as a result of by catch everytime they bring in their nets.

Maybe it's different in the Eastern states, but to say in SA the recreational fisherman is causing the bulk or a reasonable proportion of the destruction to the the marine environment is simply wrong, and not supported by any science.  Again, if the government was serious about caring for the marine environment, they would be addressing very different issues rather than chasing recreational fisherman.     
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2012, 07:12:09 AM »
No fisherman that I talk to is totally opposed to some areas of the sea becoming marine parks...

As long as they themselves are not affected ...

there's the irony of the govenment locking out fisherman to protect the marine environment, but the very next day announcing plans to build massive desalination plants, 1km long jettys to allow coal carrying container ships to load, and dredging of harbours to allow bigger ships to dock..... all in the same areas they've declared as marine parks.

You understand that's two different levels of government don't you? State & Federal yeah?
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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2012, 09:27:18 AM »
No offence taken, but in all honesty I'm not sure why you keep implying law abiding fishers want to distance theselves from the the non-law abiding fishers  ???

Because in my experience they do. I attend many fishing club meetings and trade events. and no ones wants to acknowledge that their are issues, Rosy glasses on "but we all do the right thing so it must be all good" or "oh yeah but they are criminals not rec fishers". Plenty of rec fishers sell their catch on the black market - just take a look at the abalone fishery in NSW and VIC as examples. Massive amounts of resources pumped into these areas - it is organised crime, like drugs if the pay off is big enough how do you stop people taking the risk.

My point is to highlight that many things can contribute to pressure on a species. Rec fishers target very few species in the scheme of things, but do put pressure on these species and it can be location specific. I was never implying that Rec fishers are irresponsible or that rec fishing is a major reason for species decline. Just that simply it has an impact on a number of species that are highly prized. I know myself as a rec fisher that I target the same species the majority of the time when I go fishing, kings, tailor, whiting, bream, Jewish, flathead and occasionally salmon. 

 
but still they come " [/i]..... so why is that Jason?  Lack of resources, lack of education, or the penalties simply not stiff enough?  Whatever the reason it obviously needs changing, and perhaps if it was working you wouldn't be constantly booking the offenders,

Culture. People from many backgrounds with competing interests in the fish. The majority of it (apart from the pro crooks) is due to different cultures and customs. Much has been achieved however addressing this issue is a slow process. Its improving all of the time, much is now being done in schools also, so the message gets taken home.

Going back specifically to SA, we have bag and size limits that have, over the years, changed such that the number of fish a person can take per day has significantly reduced, and the size limits of ""keeper fish increased also.  Year on year the number of rec fisherman actively participating in fishing is actually reducing, not increasing.  In SA the total commercial catch of target species such as whiting, snapper and calamari is a significantly greater proportion, than the total recreational take.  Yet the state government initially proposed that 44% of our waters should be marine parks, and of that (from memory) 11% no take zones.  Most people who wouldn't know better would say that 11% of the ocean being allocated as no take zones seems fair, but it just happens that the majority of the no-take zones just happen to be in the best fishing locations (reef areas, bombies etc).  We thanked the government for giving us the remaining 89% of ocean to fish, but it's not real fun fishing on flat sandy sea floors - the fish don't like living in these areas either!

Don't know about SA but in NSW size limits are based on reproduction sizes of fish. This allows them the opportunity to spawn/breed at least once prior to capture. Some of the sizes are a bit peculiar because of this.

Our marine parks also are focused around the best habitat of fish. There are various levels of restrictions and not all prevent Rec fishing.

So in SA the recs take vastly less than the commercial fisherman, we have regularly had our allowable daily catch limit reduced whilst the size of fish that can be kept has increased, and the number of people participating in recreational fishing is reducing....... so why is there so much fear mongering that we are raping and pillaging the seas and causing the bulk of the destruction?  There is study after study that has been done in SA that shows that stormwater run off and pollution has done significant damage to the local marine environment and killed off hundreds of square km's of sea grass and scallops beds, where whiting breed and snapper feed.  I agree that recreational fishers probably contribute along the way to pollution and taking undersized fish, but it pales into insignificance when you look at what is being dumped into the sea by big industries, desalination plants, whilst prawn trawlers and other styles of commercial fishing kill off tons of undersized fish as a result of by catch everytime they bring in their nets.

Pollution is a major issue. Commercial fishing has been restructured and changed exponentially compared to Rec fishing. You think Rec fishers have restrictions placed on them, go and read the legislation that applies to these guys. Science has assisted heaps and the commercial industry is also becoming very responsible. Nets now have discard shoots in them which minimise the amount of by catch, changes have been made in the way fish are sorted to assist with survival rates etc etc. Commercial fishing is catch 22, no one wants it, but we all love a feed of fresh fish. As long as the industry is sustainable we need it. I would hate that the only option for buying fish was from Woolworths as much of it is from the Mekong Delta or from overseas aquaculture - no thanks, you reckon we have pollution problems - pass.

Maybe it's different in the Eastern states, but to say in SA the recreational fisherman is causing the bulk or a reasonable proportion of the destruction to the the marine environment is simply wrong, and not supported by any science. 

I never said that, and don't agree with that statement at all. Not sure if that is how it being perceived in SA.


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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2012, 10:34:32 PM »
Its certainly a hot issue..Fish stocks Worldwide are being depleted at unsustainable rates we know that's a fact.....I believe anything that helps the little fellas to recover is great...It was mentioned earlier about Port Phillip Bay being in great nick,so it does work....

People can retrain (i am in no way saying its easy),fish cant,once there gone that's it.....I heard on a program last week that 50% of the Worlds Oceans fish species are becoming extinct...

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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2012, 11:17:39 PM »
Its certainly a hot issue..Fish stocks Worldwide are being depleted at unsustainable rates we know that's a fact.....I believe anything that helps the little fellas to recover is great...It was mentioned earlier about Port Phillip Bay being in great nick,so it does work....

People can retrain (i am in no way saying its easy),fish cant,once there gone that's it.....I heard on a program last week that 50% of the Worlds Oceans fish species are becoming extinct...

Yes i believe it is mostly true what your are saying BUT im just talking about Australia and /or NSW.
And the rest of the world i beieve is like that because of bad - no management.
We are lucky in the scence that we have a small population and are surounded by a great fisherie .i believe the answer here is to mannage correctly ... there is NO need to lock out rec fisho,s from any areas IF they are mannaged correctly .

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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2012, 08:54:03 AM »
Today fishing, tomorrow the national parks
Comming to a National Park near you!!!

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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2012, 11:55:31 AM »
This is what the greenies should have there attention on NOT US .THe federal government in one hand wants to lock out rec fishos but in the other hand will let these ass wipes in

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/federal-government-allows-massive-super-trawler-to-fish-in-australian-waters/story-e6frf00i-1226387965265

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/06/05/334681_tasmania-news.html

these barstards indiscrimnatly rape the sea .there over here because they have desimated there fishery.

i hope greenpeace harrass these boats like they do the japanes whaleing ships

have a look at this
http://www.kfdu.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24130
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Re: New Fishing Regulations
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2012, 12:25:33 PM »
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Today fishing, tomorrow the national parks

Yep, spot on. 


 

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« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2012, 12:49:39 PM »
To late they have been locking national parks and state forest tracks for years. They are currently locking Wallaroo at Raymond terrace and the only user group consulted was the mountain bikes.