I wasn't arguing with you dazzler sorry, I agree with you, it involved activities that may interest some people to come along, and that was the point of it. I didn't think you were bagging it either. I often question the delivery mechanism of these sorts of things but heh, I'm not on the ground trying to do it, its got to be bloody hard work. Having said that, not all basket weavers are environmentalists, and I'd imagine that the people the programme is aimed at are migrants (check out the ethnic diversity of people living in Auburn, Sydney) who still practice traditional skills (maybe weaving - I dunno)(not necessarily environmentalist, basket weaving hippies) and/or want to be involved in 'community' activities to feel a part of what Oz or their community has to offer. The people its mainly targeted at, I'd imagine, may not be interested in the environment and climate change at all - may not care, know or see the relevance to them.