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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2011, 09:17:59 PM »


Noting all this stuff down ... 2 sounds better I think ...

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2011, 09:27:29 PM »
Just picked up a Finn Gizmo - Fisher @ Rays Outdoors today on sale @ $525 (RRP $1049). Already reduced to $699 with an additional 25% off for VIP members with a letter.
Versatile craft that comes with everything you need: Paddle,clips to hold and leash, back rest, bottle and bottle holder, knee straps, rod and net holder, tackle box, twin storage areas and an anchor with rope.
 
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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2011, 10:28:53 PM »
Hi Kit-e

We have two sit-on kayaks. We tested lots of different sorts before we bought them. Our local kayak shop has regular "have a go" days on the river where you can go and paddle different types - I think you'll find most kayak shops do this locally and is worth checking out.

The brand we have is "Ocean Kayak - Prowler 13". Although initially we used them for fishing a lot (ocean, river and estuary) we have found we use them more now for fitness and sightseeing.  So, our choice was good in that they aren't as wide as some of the big fishing kayaks, but have good tracking (one paddle stroke gets you a fair distance and they maintain their course) and cut through ocean chop quite well.  They also have a rudder operated by foot pedals.

We have the back rests which also include a padded seat. Under the seat we have put some high density foam (like the blue foam roll-out camp mats, approx 15mm thick) which makes the seat much more comfy if you are out for a whole day.  If you know you will be paddling in calm water, you can put foam rubber stoppers/bungs into the drainage holes and it stops any water coming back up - but we have found you're better off to not use them as you do get a few splashes from your paddle that can easily drain away if the drainage holes are clear.

Our kayaks have a small, secure hatch in the centre with a screw top lid but we also use an aqua-pack to keep phones and keys etc safe inside this hatch.  There is a main hatch at the front where we store flares, torch, spare rope and emergency paddle. At the back is an open rear well and we put soft eskies in here with ice or water to put the catch in.

If you are planning on doing lots of fishing, I would definitely recommend something like the Hobie as they are wider, more stable and if you can move using your feet rather than a paddle, you will have hands free for fishing rods.  We have found juggling rods and paddles a PITA at times.  If you're in calm water and happy to drift, no problem, but if you want to trawl or maintain a position in a current, it's hard without putting down your fishing rod, picking up the paddle, paddling for a bit, then swapping back to the fishing rod - if you see what I mean.

We have rigged up little anchor trollies on our kayaks - which means we can anchor from the front or rear of the kayak depending on which way you want to face and fish.  We put a float on the top of the anchor line and then clip that with a caribiner to the anchor rope.  This means if you catch a big fish and want to tow around for a bit, you can easily and quickly unhook from your anchor, go chase your fish, and then come back to your anchor.  Or if you get a big fish aboard the kayak and start squealing like a girl, your husband (or BF) can unclip from his anchor, paddle over, and help take control of the birds nest of fishing line...  (My husband has to deal with this issue quite a bit...)

Also, with the anchor you can stop, jump over with your mask & snorkel, explore around and then come back to your kayak.

Edit: In winter, we wear "Sharkskin" wetsuit pants - they are made for paddling which means they are a bit higher at the back so when you sit down, your lower back is still covered and warm. The inside is like polar fleece and the outside is wetsuit. And we wear wetsuit booties.  All toasty warm  :D

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2011, 07:04:34 AM »
Have a go on the river day up here and you'ld be dodging Crocs... ;D

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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2011, 08:56:20 AM »
We have a 2/3 seater sit on top from BCF, got it for approx 500 on special and love it, its a Dragonfly Angler 3.0 Fishing Kayak, they still stock them...  tracks great and the storage isnt too bad. have put the seats in so nice and comfy (forked out extra $ for deluxe ones)  we go fishing and paddling with it, great thing is you can use it as a one or two seater easily...  Only negative is it is a bit on the larger size but thats no hassle for us as we have a 4x4 to put it on top of and it makes it really stable, i can stand on it easily when out in the water....

It can take a fair old beating too  ;D  me and a mate took it up a river that we got so sick and tired of pulling it over trees down that we woould try and paddle fast enough to get over them  ;D  hahahaha  it was a funny day and the kayak is still living!!

I keep dry bags as suggested to keep things dry, My favourite item though is our waterproof camera which you can pick up a decent one for around 300 or so these days, I NEVER have to worry about it getting wet!!!!  phone and stuff goes in a water proof clear case that I have attached to the kayak by a cord and caribener.

I would also recomend forking out the extra biccies for a decent paddle, it makes a hell of a difference to your day and fatigue levels.

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2011, 10:25:28 AM »
My wife wants to take up Kayaking/Canoeing but would be more of a hobby thing, when we are camping somewere. Getting them on and off the roof would be a pain and I wondered what people thought of the inflatable ones.

I notcied that BCF has a couple of them on special.

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2011, 11:32:53 AM »

We have the dragonfly angler 3.0, not into serious kayak fishing so could not justify 2-3k on a yak. This is a cheap option to get on the water and it can take a beating.
Its good for the kids or a couple of adults, fishing, paddling, whatever.
We have a waterproof camera as everything usually gets wet anyway.
This yak is only 3m and sits on top of the Jayco just right, about 28kg, so not too bad to lift on or off.





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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2011, 11:47:27 AM »
We have the dragonfly angler 3.0, not into serious kayak fishing so could not justify 2-3k on a yak. This is a cheap option to get on the water and it can take a beating.
Its good for the kids or a couple of adults, fishing, paddling, whatever.
We have a waterproof camera as everything usually gets wet anyway.
This yak is only 3m and sits on top of the Jayco just right, about 28kg, so not too bad to lift on or off.

That's a nice looking Yak Terry, looks stable enough to go skiing if you hooked a big Barra.
I see you've got room for the main motor sitting up on the back. Always make s for easy fishin.

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2011, 11:58:57 AM »
My type of Kayak. I can paddle this one all day with one hand. ;D



Seriously though. When I am on my own I prefer a kayak but when I have the kids it is a canoe all the way.
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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2011, 12:12:06 PM »
I wondered what people thought of the inflatable ones.

Hi,
   I paddled a 2 seater on the Picton River (white water) years ago. Different to what I was used to (normal fibreglass kayak), not as blancmangey as the inflatable raft, but it was capable of cutting in and out of an eddy, almost enough speed to get where we wanted without too much drama.
Very wet, there was water draining out all the time.
Inflated hard, it was quite capable, but not sure how it would handle being taken out of water at about 8°C and left in the sun on a river bank.
That is how I lost my raft when the kids were careless with it.
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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2011, 12:17:55 PM »
That's a nice looking Yak Terry, looks stable enough to go skiing if you hooked a big Barra.
I see you've got room for the main motor sitting up on the back. Always make s for easy fishin.

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Thanks Steve, It is very stable even with two fat blokes onboard, we would struggle trying to tip it.



I have fished from it by myself and hooked a big cod which took me for a bit of a ride, good fun.
We didnt actually buy it for fishing, more so the kid can get out and paddle while were camping,  I agree with TOY80ST and his type of Kayak!

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2011, 02:27:36 PM »
I have a Pelican Bayou 160 (the new but not improved version of the Coleman Scanoe). It is a pain to load on the car, it tends to be a bit tippy and does not negotiate white water all that well. Having said that, it does fit a big esky in it, as well as a chainsaw, firewood, swag (all teh essentials for a day on the water) and can take a 5HP motor. By the sound of what you have described you would be using your water craft for - a kayak might be best.

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2011, 02:28:59 PM »
Does anyone have an inflatable kayak?
I have looked at these before and couldn't see anyone mention them here.

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2011, 02:49:50 PM »
Father in law and brother in law have a double hobie mirage drive each - incredibly stable - you can both hang your legs over 1 side and fish without it even looking like tipping. They are comfortable to fish out of and the mirage drive system is great. There seems to be a lot of stuffing around to inflate and deflate and they are a bit precious about taking theirs into oyster lease areas. All in all, I would say they are a good thing.

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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2011, 04:29:56 PM »
Kit_e_kat9,

I actually picked up this Hobie on ebay, after listening to my wife and waiting to purchase it after the xmas holidays last year.($900 cheaper than new)
It weighs 29kgs and can carry 280kgs,it has 3 great storage port holes and 3 very comfortable padded seats with very stable backrests.
The guys have mentioned a great range of kayaks although canoes have a great storage advantage.
Good luck, there are plenty of bargains out there.

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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2011, 09:04:15 PM »
Does anyone have an inflatable kayak?
I have looked at these before and couldn't see anyone mention them here.

Bought one the other day, will get its first run after santa visits

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2011, 10:33:29 PM »
Just picked up a Finn Gizmo - Fisher @ Rays Outdoors today on sale @ $525 (RRP $1049). Already reduced to $699 with an additional 25% off for VIP members with a letter.
Versatile craft that comes with everything you need: Paddle,clips to hold and leash, back rest, bottle and bottle holder, knee straps, rod and net holder, tackle box, twin storage areas and an anchor with rope.
You got all that for a bargain. My gizmo only came with a paddle and water bottle for $750.
great little yak though. Nice and lite and easy to paddle. I've even surfed a few little waves with it.
I tend to think 2 singles is much better than a double. No arguments about where to go. Also if paddling by yourself, a double is hard work especially if theres any wind about.

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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2011, 06:32:21 AM »
Our double hobie is ok for 1 person too. Mr Hargs puts the full 20litre water container in my front seat ( when I want to sleep in ) and goes off fishing. Manages ok with just his mirage drives. Ours is 35kg bare weight I think, increasingly I am asking if we can put it on top of the cub and not on the HiLux ............not because I can't !!!!!!!!!!!!! He threatens to trade me in if that happens.
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Re: Kayaks ... Canoes ... Which is Best?
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2011, 07:53:33 PM »


Thanks so much for all the replies.  So VERY much appreciated!  MySwag Members are  :cup:  Loved the photos as well ... shows that some people are far more serious about getting that elusive fish and some just love the relaxing paddle.

Now we just have to settle a difference of opinion here at home.  Twin or 2 singles.   ;D  So I think we are going to go sit on top with "Brand X" so far.  Just something easy to paddle (best we can afford), with back rests (best we can afford), and possible something to put under our rears (best padding we can afford).   ;D

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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2011, 08:19:58 PM »
Kit_e, if you can, sit on a prospective purchase in the water.
Some have upper deck shapes that catch the drips from the paddle and run them into the seat area. The deck should slope quite steeply away from the inside edge of the cockpit.
Also dont take the paddles they offer as part of the deal, mostly rubbish.
Pay a little extra and get a good fibreglass paddle, much lighter.
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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2011, 08:28:07 PM »
Pay a little extra and get a good fibreglass paddle, much lighter.

That too!

Will try a few out before we do the spend though.  As been suggested ... Test for Best is how we'll go.

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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2011, 08:43:13 AM »
I like the Finn Gizmo that I bought. Stable enough, light and easy to paddle. Not an ocean going yak though.



It seems to handle small rapids Ok as well. Mine has taken a beating so far and has only got some scratches on the bottom. The plastic holds up well.



And its easy to pack on top of the camper. Pictured here stacked with my wifes yak(cant think of the brand but I like mine better)


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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2011, 07:05:15 PM »
Looks like the Finn is getting some good use Whitey... Glad to see it's holding up well and that you like it.
I'm not permitted to use mine until Christmas :'(
How do you find the storage hatches? Do they leak at all?

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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2011, 07:21:59 PM »
I havent had any water inside the yak at all. And thats even after being dumped by a wave at shark bay! You can surf them but once you get sideways thats it! I think the hatches seal prety good

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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2011, 10:10:12 PM »
Whitey, your wifes yak looks like an Outdoor Expedition "Escape" very stable.
I added a couple of Rod holders just behind the seat (High Back Seat).
Love it.

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