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Re: Housing Investments Australia (HIA)
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2011, 10:38:08 PM »
they just called out of the blue

This is where I hang up.

go there, dont be afraid to ask questions.


I suggest don't bother at all, the $50 voucher is gotcha, you turn up and they get to work on you. Don't worry they will have all the right answers for you and want you to sign on the spot so you do not miss out.

We cop this all the time in Port Macquarie, spruikers on the street handing out free scratchies - and surprising when I have grabbed on they all win a prize BUT all you have to do is attend a seminar to get your prize. Of course the fine print states that you are in a draw for a prize.

Now they want all your contact details before you attend.

It is a rort and a scam. Don't waste your time
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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2011, 07:20:20 AM »
My experinece with one of these type of things was for time share apartments. My wife and I only went for the free gift, which I can't even remember what it was but didn't get it, and they could see I was not gullible for their scheme. My wife show the tiniest bit of interest so they tried to split us up figuring they would have some success with me out of the picture.

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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2011, 11:01:46 AM »
This is almost how we got our investment property.
After some hiccups when building, we are very happy now.
I did read some great ideas in this topic, keep them coming.

The best thing is it is reducing your tax and when selling you hopefully will make some profit. Which you can use to reduce your own mortgage.
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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2011, 12:16:26 PM »

I have attatched a property clock that may help some investors on this forum.

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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2011, 02:00:17 PM »
I would agree with that generally. I would probably put the Gold Coast and Tweed in the same categories of Cairns and Sunny Coast. That will start to move again now the Commonwealth Games is going to be held there. I was having a beer with the principals of RW Gold Coast last week and they reckon there seeing increasing sales volumes.

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« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2011, 02:13:45 PM »
Hey Bubba my 2 cents

•   Properties through these seminars are are usually overpriced,  don't believe what they  say up front.
•   Do your own price check of the area first
•   Anyone who says do it just for the tax breaks without making it clear of the other risks – run a mile, investing is about making a profit first, tax breaks second
•   Investing in property is more risky than people would have you believe, it’s not set and forget and you need to be very involved in the investment and the market to be sure you are on the right track.

Negative gearing works like this:
•   You have purchased an investment where the expenses are higher than the income it brings in. 
•   So let's say that the annual income is $15,000 and the expenses are $20,000,
•   Makes you out of pocket for $5,000 in the year  (approx $100 per week)
•   The $5,000 is claimable as a loss in your tax return and you get Some, Not All of the 5 grand back in your tax refund, depending on your tax rate
•   So every year that you are negatively geared, regardless of the tax break, you are still out of pocket because your investment is making a loss. Especially if the investment loan is “interest only”, because you are not paying off the loan, just maintaining it.

When do you make a profit from a negatively geared investment?
You can only make a profit in 2 ways,
1.   if the income eventually becomes higher than the expenses, or,
2.   when you sell.

•   If your loan is “interest only” For the income to to be higher than the expenses, you need higher rental income, or reduced costs. Will that happen? Not in the short term and maybe not even in the long term as history has shown.

•   If you are paying off the investment on a Principal & Interest (P&I) loan then at some point you will be positively geared and making money, you can start to recoup the loss from the early years.

•   Selling – to make money on the sale, let’s say in 10 years, then you need to make enough profit to cover the losses from each year of ownership (so that’s abut $50,000) plus the costs of starting up the investment (stamp duty, loan costs, legal fees) plus the disposal costs (agents fees, bank fees, legal fees) plus 50% capital gains tax and phew fingers crossed we don’t have another GFC in the meantime!

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« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2011, 02:32:34 PM »
When your rental income is more then te costs aren't you paying tax over it?
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« Reply #32 on: November 28, 2011, 02:41:07 PM »
Hey Bubba my 2 cents

•   Properties through these seminars are are usually overpriced,  don't believe what they  say up front.
•   Do your own price check of the area first
•   Anyone who says do it just for the tax breaks without making it clear of the other risks – run a mile, investing is about making a profit first, tax breaks second
•   Investing in property is more risky than people would have you believe, it’s not set and forget and you need to be very involved in the investment and the market to be sure you are on the right track.

Negative gearing works like this:
•   You have purchased an investment where the expenses are higher than the income it brings in. 
•   So let's say that the annual income is $15,000 and the expenses are $20,000,
•   Makes you out of pocket for $5,000 in the year  (approx $100 per week)
•   The $5,000 is claimable as a loss in your tax return and you get Some, Not All of the 5 grand back in your tax refund, depending on your tax rate
•   So every year that you are negatively geared, regardless of the tax break, you are still out of pocket because your investment is making a loss. Especially if the investment loan is “interest only”, because you are not paying off the loan, just maintaining it.

When do you make a profit from a negatively geared investment?
You can only make a profit in 2 ways,
1.   if the income eventually becomes higher than the expenses, or,
2.   when you sell.

•   If your loan is “interest only” For the income to to be higher than the expenses, you need higher rental income, or reduced costs. Will that happen? Not in the short term and maybe not even in the long term as history has shown.

•   If you are paying off the investment on a Principal & Interest (P&I) loan then at some point you will be positively geared and making money, you can start to recoup the loss from the early years.

•   Selling – to make money on the sale, let’s say in 10 years, then you need to make enough profit to cover the losses from each year of ownership (so that’s abut $50,000) plus the costs of starting up the investment (stamp duty, loan costs, legal fees) plus the disposal costs (agents fees, bank fees, legal fees) plus 50% capital gains tax and phew fingers crossed we don’t have another GFC in the meantime!

Cheers!

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« Reply #33 on: November 28, 2011, 02:41:41 PM »
Well summarised Mallory.  It is a case of eyes wide open and even then, one cannot control the economic factors. Just lately, I have considered using a buyers agent to purchase a property.  That way I reckon I've got half a chance of not getting ripped off and also not having to deal with selling agents.
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« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2011, 03:31:06 PM »

Mallory well written.

Like any investment its the holding costs you have to consider. Currently units in Cairns have had Body Corp insurance policies go up in some places 500%.

I deal with alot of sellers who have lost a considerable amount of money some up to $400,000 on investments where the market has dropped but they did buy off the plan at exorborant prices. This happens mostly on units.

Houses are alot safer but if buying in a new estate especially a large estate, there will always be new homes  built that will be in competition to a 3 year old home in the same estate. No one can predict the market and as an agent we have to try and guess the next 3 to 6 months as sellers want exact answers. At the end of the day always talk to an accountant and not a financial adviser that tries to sell you an investment. I have seen too many people get ripped off from them.

Always think that if things went pear shaped and you had to sell make sure you do not borrow over the top.

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« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2011, 03:42:23 PM »
...and not a financial adviser that tries to sell you an investment. I have seen too many people get ripped off from them.

Mark

So what does an agent do that's different?
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« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2011, 04:11:07 PM »
So what does an agent do that's different?
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I will clarify. An honest agent markets a property and will let a buyer make a decision on whether that property suits their needs. In the negotiation stages the agent is there to get the best possible price for the seller. A buyer can always say no as can the seller but we always try and reach a comprimise between both parties.

A financial adviser is there to advise a client. I have seen many buyers being told to buy property from dishonest ones with over inflated values and returns. In fact I recently sold a unit for $255,000 and the seller paid $530,000 2 years ago. That financial adviser was tracked down by the federal police in WA for misleading.

Do not get me wrong not all finacial advisers are like that as now they have to disclose what commissions they receive when they sell or advise you about a property. And yes there are also dishonest real estate agents.

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« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2011, 04:30:37 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2011, 04:51:08 PM »
Why not invest in CTs & Grog , then watch the market belly out then invest in the glut of properties on the market . As the world turns to sh1t  :laugh:
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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2011, 05:38:34 PM »
If the deal was any good, they wouldn't need to pay you (in accom, vouchers, meals etc) just to come and hear about it would they?

Oh and Mallory great explanation.

Cant help but be reminded of a mate, who took up a similar offer, that involved a flight to brisbane, a long drive to the 'estate', and a very hard sell.  Followed a not so subtle threat to leave him and his wife out there. It was only when he dialed 000 that they took them back!

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« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2011, 06:24:24 PM »
That has to be the best explanation of it, I've ever heard.

X2 well done Mallory  :cup:

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« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2011, 06:31:42 PM »
I have attatched a property clock that may help some investors on this forum.

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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2011, 07:36:15 PM »
Well when I got home from work the better half had decided that we were not going to the info workshop and I didn't take much convincing, because on the way home I noticed a 4x4 in the local car yard, so we went down to have a look and now I'm waiting to hear from the salesman on what he will gives for her car as a trade in ;D

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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2011, 11:08:55 AM »
Changing in plans hey? :-)
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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2011, 01:59:18 PM »
Why not invest in CTs & Grog , then watch the market belly out then invest in the glut of properties on the market . As the world turns to sh1t  :laugh:

I have.  And now I'm waiting..

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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2011, 06:52:06 PM »
Once we had decided that we wouldn't be going I tried to call HIA on the number that was on the letter of confirmation of our seats to advise that shouldn't be expecting us. Well suprise suprise, I was advised to please check the number before dialing again as this number is not connected ::)

Very happy that we didn't go >:D

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