Aviation in OZ

[D4D]

The union strikes have caused a total of 6 hours of delays broken up into 1 hour blocks over months,

With that spin you should be a union leader. With all the delays and cancellations each strike, you're looking at 6 hours per strike of delays.

[koshari]

You wouldnt if you knew more about the Aviation Industry.

ignorance is bliss,

[UIZ733]

ignorance is bliss,

Until you have your head between your legs and kissing your freckle goobye because the plane is going down!

[Heiny]

Well done QANTAS

Now hopfully all parties can strike a deal within the 21 day period before FWA have step in again

bubba

[cancan]

Well done QANTAS

Now hopfully all parties can strike a deal within the 21 day period before FWA have step in again

bubba

Now hopefully all parties can strike a deal within the 21 day period before I have to fly Qantas again

25 days to holidays...it better be over by then

[Symon]

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Mate, just about everything you said there is word for word from the propaganda that the unions are churning out.  I would consider only half of it as fact.

According to Qantas, the union demands are listed here - https://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201110/1033

The total cost of the ALAEA’s claim is $165 million - plus $95 million to build a new hangar. Details of the EBA claim from the ALAEA include:

- Around 15 per cent increase in wages and allowances over three years. The remuneration package of the average licensed engineer would be around $170,000 in January 2013 if we agreed to the ALAEA’s claim.
- A guarantee that no changes be made to current work practices including changes which improve productivity or that are in line with developments in modern aircraft technology.
- Introduction of a time serving classification structure where workers receive additional pay increases based on years of service rather than merit or qualifications.

They sound pretty excessive to me, especially the last one.  Qantas has every right not to want to such a draconian rule brought back in.

[D4D]

Bloody hell Symon, don't come here with all your facts

[Doug.b]

Mate, just about everything you said there is word for word from the propaganda that the unions are churning out.  I would consider only half of it as fact.

According to Qantas, the union demands are listed here - https://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201110/1033

They sound pretty excessive to me, especially the last one.  Qantas has every right not to want to such a draconian rule brought back in.

Yeah and I think you are reading the other propaganda and you believe it

[singo-26]

Doug In regard to points 1 and 2 of your post, Every union i have been a member of has a one in all in policy. It would seem to me that that rule has just been played back on them.

[Isuzumu]

Good way to stop this thread is put up a poll and see how many vote Labour or Coalition or bloody Greens or that other w""k"rs

[koshari]

Good way to stop this thread is put up a poll and see how many vote Labour or Coalition or bloody Greens or that other w""k"rs

or better yet discuss the issue on its merits rather than what partition background you belong.

[aidbish]

or better yet discuss the issue on its merits rather than what partition background you belong.

Will never work, as people are swayed by their beliefs, be it religion, politics, dc-dc chargers, cable size

i think its best to stick to issues concerning camping and its merits

[2 Brutal]

No one wants to see Qantas end up solely offshore, but everyone is happy to buy all their stuff online from China/ Hong Kong, the USA etc and not give a crap about local jobs,
I bet the Qantas flight attendants and crew etc who land in foreign countries and happy to stock up on overseas products for friends and family when they are there just to save a few $$ back home. So why should Qantas  be so loyal.

No I don't want to see Qantas go down the drain, I would only ever fly with them and if I was caught up in the dispute as a customer they'd still have my support.

[Kit_e_kat9]

Qantas may not have killed any passengers in it's business lifetime, but they sure have lost a few recently. 

As for a $2mill pay rise ... Pick Me ... Pick Me.   

Kit_e

P.S.  I prefer my cable & charger to be adequate for the job and solar ready.

[D4D]

Typical of the Greens and ALP to play the man and not the ball.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/pollies-brand-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-as-devious/story-fn7x8me2-1226186239814

 
"You are a bit like Richard Nixon. You are just trying to talk your way out of this," Senator Cameron said.
 
Greens Leader Bob Brown said it was "devious" of Mr Joyce to avoid warning the Government of a possible lockout

[crackacoldie]

I was wondering whether Senator Cameron was the pot or the kettle??

[UIZ733]

There is a lot at stake. I wouldn't be happy flying in Russia or quite a few other places in the world at the moment. Do we really value what we have? I doubt it!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/02/russia-crash-drugs-idUSL5E7M21W920111102

[singo-26]

Typical of the Greens and ALP to play the man and not the ball.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/pollies-brand-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-as-devious/story-fn7x8me2-1226186239814

 
"You are a bit like Richard Nixon. You are just trying to talk your way out of this," Senator Cameron said.
 
Greens Leader Bob Brown said it was "devious" of Mr Joyce to avoid warning the Government of a possible lockout

I think it showed again the incompetence of these people. Mr brown calling him devious and deceptive while supporting someone who deceived enough of the Australian public to get herself re-elected (Carbon tax). Why should Mr Joyce inform the Government of what he can do under laws that the government have written. His opening line was incredible "You've spoken to the government and the opposition, So why not the greens?"
As for Mr Cameron. I still fail to see why Mr Joyce's pay packet should be in the public domain, Surely it is something between him, The QANTAS board and the shareholders.

It is also interesting that no Lib/Nat senators were invited.

[crackacoldie]

It is funny how this whole senate inquiry was supposed to be about the claims that Qantas is being used to make Jetstar profitable, by handing over routes, paying bills etc. and whether there was any deliberate avoidance of the Qantas sale act 1992.  It is a pity that the senators decided to waste time chasing Mr Joyce about the lockout, stand down, as opposed to questioning the potential bigger issues.

[swamprat]

It is also interesting that no Lib/Nat senators were invited.

I don't think they wanted to ask any questions.

[Symon]

If you look at the entire footage of the inquiry (and not just the bits that the media cut in) I thought Joyce held his own quite well, especially against the likes of Cameron and Brown who were full of rhetoric and little else.

Xenophon was the only senator that appeared to have a brain, and I find that quite disturbing.

Reminds me of the time when Packer made the Senate look like a bunch of idiots - http://youtu.be/EVIOmU3l0Zo

[dno]

Good bit of footage.
Kerry was a great Australian, and I wish there were more like him.

[cootha]

geez some of you blokes would make genghis khan look like a lefty hippy 

[Symon]

Youtube footage of the inquiry -

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[Heiny]

Good bit of footage.
Kerry was a great Australian, and I wish there were more like him.

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