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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2011, 07:49:21 AM »
I have been on this foroum for some time and thought most of you were good aussie who love Australia and the way of life .But reading your red neck comments see you now as a a pack of fu#k wits that read the Murdoch press and thats it . I am a Qantas LAME for 27 years and we are asking for a  pay rise only 3% each year below inflation , and are asking that we are able to bid for contract work before it is sent overseas , if we are not the lowest bid then we lose the contract . All we are asking before it is sent overseas that we get a chance to bid for it .

I read all the threds about buying Aust and a shame is all gone to china etc etc but you bag us for trying to keep our jobs and Qantas in Australia .Well heres a fact Qantas had planed to ground all its fleet 10 days ago but still sold tickets and did not inform the public . The Lames called off all industrial action until 10th nov long before this.
 
When Qantas made 1.5 billion profit we took a 2% pay rise 2% lower than inflation because we took Qantas on its word that they were going to build the business , and they started Jet star and took work away from us .
I do not want a guaranteed job , I earn my job though hard work , but to see the share price go from $5.60 to $1.30 in 3 years and $72 million go to the board as a reward !!!!!
I will stand up for corporate greed any day !!!!!!!!   So all the knockers sit back and have a good look at your posts about keeping things in Aust and your rants about that and then reflect on your own double standards .
Congratulations, in chasing a 3% wage increase you, your fellow workers and your unions have placed your job of 27 years in jeopardy along with the future of one of Australia's great company's, (you wouldn't still be there if they weren't good to work for)

The SA civil construction industry which I have worked in for over 20 years is currently experiencing it's toughest time in at least those last 20 years, new land development has all but stopped, the only projects our great SA Government >:D releases (many have been put on the back burner again) are packaged in such a way that nearly all local company's cannot compete with the very large national company's who also have less taxes than the SA companies and while the big company's are here they tender for the smaller contracts also. SA company's are going into receivership, workers have no or very little work, workers are going interstate or the mining industry to seek work (and don't come back) when Olympic Dam expands they will take allot more workers from the civil industry and company's like the one I work for, who have invested massive amounts of time and money to upskill their workers so that we can remain competitive. Our state Government is so focussed on the mining industry (also a very important industry for our state) at present that it's letting the local civil construction industry collapse.

Our Group of company's also invest in land developments, we have commenced work on one of these projects (even though the land is not selling at present) in an attempt to retain as many of our workers as possible, in the hope that work will pick up soon. Other company's do not have this luxury and have lost or put off it's workers, I have even had our sub contractors contact me offering their workers, as they cannot keep them employed much longer.

So before you call myself and others on here F wits!! pull your bloody head in and think yourself bloody lucky that you even have a job >:( there are many workers worse off than you!

Well done again to Qantas to standing up to those who are holding them and the country to ransom, there should be more of it :cup:

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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2011, 07:59:55 AM »
Morag here- here is my two cents worth - I see the problem in a different way - I think big business has actually lost touch with their workers and visa versa- I remember years ago watching a documentary on a very successful  Japanese industry where there was only one canteen- bosses ate with the workers. Bosses regularly worked on the factory floor and they all worked as a team - recognising that without one there would be no company. I think big business has lost its way- a them and us mentality. Fat cats come and go they get paid incredible amounts of money no matter if their company makes a profit or not and when they go they get paid an obscene payout figure. The world faces corporate greed and we have lost the belief that everyone in a company matters -  
Was listening to ABC radio this morning and guys ringing in saying how they had worked for Qantas for 24 years and they are shocked they are going to be locked out. I felt for him.
I cannot see that a $2 million pay rise will help the situation any no matter who voted it in - It is a disgrace
I can only see this as a nail in the coffin for Qantas - Annset didn't survive - Another great Aussie company will be gone - We will become a country with no Aussie owned industry - companies-
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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2011, 08:00:05 AM »
I to cant believe the un Australian attitude of some of these posts.Its every worker in this great countries right to fight for better pay and conditions.And I cant believe the bullying tactics of the QANTAS board are being applauded by some of you people.I dont claim to know the ins and outs of this debacle but if you dont like the fact that we as Australian workers have this right,maybe you should pack up your campers and move to NTH KOREA.  

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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2011, 08:10:00 AM »
I to cant believe the un Australian attitude of some of these posts.Its every worker in this great countries right to fight for better pay and conditions.And I cant believe the bullying tactics of the QANTAS board are being applauded by some of you people.I dont claim to know the ins and outs of this debacle but if you dont like the fact that we as Australian workers have this right,maybe you should pack up your campers and move to NTH KOREA.  

Of course the unions were not doing any bullying???

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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2011, 08:14:05 AM »
Of course the unions were not doing any bullying???

Yup, the unions need a kleenex now the shoe is on the other foot. Through the actions of the union they have impacted probably 4-5 times the number of QF workers if you include all the service industries like catering, cleaning etc. But it is ok the union reps still get paid.

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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2011, 08:17:56 AM »
I to cant believe the un Australian attitude of some of these posts.Its every worker in this great countries right to fight for better pay and conditions.And I cant believe the bullying tactics of the QANTAS board are being applauded by some of you people.I dont claim to know the ins and outs of this debacle but if you dont like the fact that we as Australian workers have this right,maybe you should pack up your campers and move to NTH KOREA.  
Yes every worker has a right to fight for better pay, but better pay than who and what ??? Qantas workers are already the highest paid airline workers in Australia, where does it end ??? The workers at our company are all paid well above award rates and some still think they are hard done by ??? if you don't like your employment conditions, go and get another job!!

Any Australian company has an equal right to its employees to take industrial action and why shouldn't they ???

High Australian wages is what causes business to go offshore and that is the reality >:D What is the point of high wages if the company can no longer compete in the market place ???

Lets not forget that Qantas was willing to negotiate, it is the unions that were staying steadfast in their demands >:(
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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2011, 08:18:40 AM »
Congratulations, in chasing a 3% wage increase you, your fellow workers and your unions have placed your job of 27 years in jeopardy along with the future of one of Australia's great company's, (you wouldn't still be there if they weren't good to work for)

The SA civil construction industry which I have worked in for over 20 years is currently experiencing it's toughest time in at least those last 20 years, new land development has all but stopped, the only projects our great SA Government >:D releases (many have been put on the back burner again) are packaged in such a way that nearly all local company's cannot compete with the very large national company's who also have less taxes than the SA companies and while the big company's are here they tender for the smaller contracts also. SA company's are going into receivership, workers have no or very little work, workers are going interstate or the mining industry to seek work (and don't come back) when Olympic Dam expands they will take allot more workers from the civil industry and company's like the one I work for, who have invested massive amounts of time and money to upskill their workers so that we can remain competitive. Whilst the Government is just watching it happen >:(

Our Group of company's also invest in land developments, we have commenced work on one of these projects (even though the land is not selling at present) in an attempt to retain as many of our workers as possible, in the hope that work will pick up soon. Other company's do not have this luxury and have lost or put off it's workers, I have even had our sub contractors contact me offering their workers, as they cannot keep them employed much longer.

So before you call myself and others on here F wits!! pull your bloody head in and think yourself bloody lucky that you even have a job >:( there are many workers worse off than you!

Well done again to Qantas to standing up to those who are holding them and the country to ransom, there should be more of it :cup:

bubba :cheers:

Listening to all this Union bashing, Unions this...Unions do that....

Look who is on the Qantas Board...google it...Cosgrove....Yes, that's it, the ex General Gosgrove.
He being a board member has allowed this executive bastardisation to happen.
If he stands by his principles, fairness, co operation and man of the people as such....resign from the board.

The media speaks of the wages to Joyce getting the OK from share holders.....Wrong... the mums and dad share holders said No..
The institution holders (The big end of town...who had the mussle) had the votes to out vote the mums and dads, then pass the executive pay increases.

4 years ago...Alco wanted to buy Qantas...if that happened Qantas would be gone now..Alco went belly up and Qantas lived.


Well fk me.....

Who pulled the pin on the whole show...Joyce...he made the decision to strand people....not the unions...they have called off 3 meetings in the last 2 weeks.

He was a dickhead at Ansett, cockhead at Air Lingus and is driving Qantas into the ground here....he has the body of a 737 and an ego of a A380 and the brains of a morris mini....a fked mini at that!.

Unions are everywhere in societies...cleaners, doctors, ambos, police, why...because unions are the collection of people, who band together to protect their workers rights and living conditions.
 
So when people start attacking unions...you are attacking your fellow Australians.

I just can't believe some of the redneck comments made against the many people,some of whom I can say are my friends, who day in day out, in all weather under massive amounts of stress, make the flying Kangaroo fly...

I'm leaving his forum....




  


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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2011, 08:24:11 AM »
I'm leaving his forum....

That's pretty drastic action...

What Joyce has said is if the unions terminate all their industrial action he'll get QF back in the air. The ball is in the unions court.
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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2011, 08:24:31 AM »
Virgin are probably painting kangaroo's on there planes right now.
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Re: Qantas fleet grounded
« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2011, 08:25:43 AM »
How long before other international carriers are affected if staff are locked out, Qantas ground staff engineers etc do most of the work for the other airlines, bagage handling, fuelling, maintance etc., British Airways has a large stake in Qantas so will they join in, or come to the party and get the travellers left stranded to their destination.
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« Reply #60 on: October 30, 2011, 08:41:10 AM »
Listening to all this Union bashing, Unions this...Unions do that....

Unions are everywhere in societies...cleaners, doctors, ambos, police, why...because unions are the collection of people, who band together to protect their workers rights and living conditions.
 
So when people start attacking unions...you are attacking your fellow Australians.

I'm leaving his forum....

I have never seen any union come to protect my or my fellow workers (some of whom were union members) rights and conditions in the last 20 years ??? 10 years ago our lunch room was the ground in the shade of a tree on a 40 degree plus day and that's if there were any trees on site.
 
We (the workers of that time) negociated directly with the company over many years to get what our workers enjoy now and they still bitch, but they have little knowledge of what we went through to get them what they have now >:(

So screw the unions, they definately have no place in my life >:( >:D

Oh and seeya, good luck finding a forum as good as this one :cup:

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« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2011, 08:46:12 AM »
Listening to all this Union bashing, Unions this...Unions do that....

Look who is on the Qantas Board...google it...Cosgrove....Yes, that's it, the ex General Gosgrove.
He being a board member has allowed this executive bastardisation to happen.
If he stands by his principles, fairness, co operation and man of the people as such....resign from the board.

The media speaks of the wages to Joyce getting the OK from share holders.....Wrong... the mums and dad share holders said No..
The institution holders (The big end of town...who had the mussle) had the votes to out vote the mums and dads, then pass the executive pay increases.

4 years ago...Alco wanted to buy Qantas...if that happened Qantas would be gone now..Alco went belly up and Qantas lived.


Well fk me.....

Who pulled the pin on the whole show...Joyce...he made the decision to strand people....not the unions...they have called off 3 meetings in the last 2 weeks.

He was a dickhead at Ansett, cockhead at Air Lingus and is driving Qantas into the ground here....he has the body of a 737 and an ego of a A380 and the brains of a morris mini....a fked mini at that!.

Unions are everywhere in societies...cleaners, doctors, ambos, police, why...because unions are the collection of people, who band together to protect their workers rights and living conditions.
 
So when people start attacking unions...you are attacking your fellow Australians.

I just can't believe some of the redneck comments made against the many people,some of whom I can say are my friends, who day in day out, in all weather under massive amounts of stress, make the flying Kangaroo fly...

I'm leaving his forum....




  



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Unions are everywhere in societies...cleaners, doctors, ambos, police, why...because unions are the collection of people, who band together to protect their workers rights and living conditions.

And that's the main problem we are seeing. All those service you list seem to think when they need a pay rise they can just walk off the job until they get what they want and I don't see that as right. What about all those small shop owners out there that can't shut down because they want more money. Where's the fair go for local IGA shops when Coles and Co rock up and offer lower prices.

And to leave the forum because every one is having a say is a bit drastic.
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« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2011, 08:46:48 AM »
What a nasty thread.  Not very myswag-like at all.  :-[

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« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2011, 08:49:48 AM »

Who pulled the pin on the whole show...Joyce...he made the decision to strand people....not the unions...they have called off 3 meetings in the last 2 weeks.

Yeah the unions called off their strikes at the last minute... after QANTAS had already made arrangements (cancelled/postponed flights etc), so essentially the damage was done.

How do we know it wasn't their tactic to call off their strikes after the damage was done???

What's the point of keeping Aussie jobs if the company they work for goes under due to being uncompetitive? It's better to have a job then not.

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« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2011, 08:50:34 AM »
What a nasty thread.  Not very myswag-like at all.  :-[

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« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2011, 09:04:39 AM »
I think it is time for the mods to lock. This will get nowhere as there is obviously 2 sides to the story and when ever unions, bosses and politics are involved no one seems to win in fact this time it is the travellers who are losing. Just remember we are all travellers just by different means. What would you think if there was a fuel strike & you couldn't go camping!!!! There is no reason on this forum for things to get ugly except for some of us old farts who were made that way. (& maybe some elecy threads)
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