Qantas fleet grounded

[noel_w]

I thought most union bosses in AU were scotsmen, here is one (Joyce) who is the company boss. Go figure.

[UIZ733]

Quannthas......... Why do workers (Australians) have to listen to a  belligerent import, spinning the Ryan Air etc business model, in the name of globalisation? Buggered if I know!

[D4D]

It is called compete or die, pretty simple concept really.

[UIZ733]

Alan Joyce is a member of the IRA – Irishmen Ruining Airlines

[morgue]

For a little bloke, Joyce has some big balls...but behind him is the Qantas board, they would have been planning this weeks ago... it's sad to see what is happening

[2 Brutal]

There used to be a company in Bundaberg called Toft's, they used to build the Toft cane harvester there, the best harvesters in the world, and just because the company was selling a few the large number of staff thought they needed a pay rise and did their hardest to get it. Management said F.U, shut the whole show down and took it off shore. now they are fully imported instead of being made in Qld. So it wasn't a real smart idea.
Unions can not hold 1 of the biggest companies in the world for ransom, Qantas employs 35000+ people worldwide. In these tough times they should be greatful for a secure job, well secure until about 3pm today

[dazzler]

I am no unionist but its a bit rich for the ceo to get a 75% pay rise while playing hard ball.

(Sorry if this was already said   )

[Maîneÿ . . .]

From what was stated on TV tonight, Qantas was definitely loosing money daily, and it is being caused by the stop work rules by the 3 unions.

BUT... Qantas had no idea what flights were available or not available when the flight was scheduled to leave.

This was entirely due to disruptions by the 3 unions, so Qantas just said 'enough is enough'
They have stopped all flights, so the public, yes you an me, the people who rely on getting somewhere when the flight schedule says it is going, it should be able to be relied upon, now the schedule is - no flights at all :'(

So now at least we can book a flight and know we are going to get where we want to go and arrive on time, as we used to do with Qantas.

I can say no QF flights were recomended to me when I booked my 4th Dec flight to Melbourne - Gold Coast - Perth last week.

[cconlan]

The unions are about to have no-one to represent and although they seem to be unreasonable it is also true that no-one trusts that Joyce won't do whatever it takes to get his hands on those incentives in his personal package.

At the end of the day both parties are trying to get as much as they can whilst they can.

Welcometo the new world I am afraid.

[Heiny]

At the end of the day both parties are trying to get as much as they can whilst they can.

Welcometo the new world I am afraid.

What "new world" this has been happening for eternity

I am no unionist but its a bit rich for the ceo to get a 75% pay rise while playing hard ball.

"hard ball" he is trying to keep the company competetive. He is obviously doing his job very well if they gave him a 75% pay rise, no company just gives money away for nothing.

bubba

[mcbadger2]

I reckon Mr Borghetti (Virgin CEO) will be rubbing his hands together.
Since his time at the helm they have been chasing the business traveller and this is evident in there approach to staff presentation and advertising focus.

[sablesoft]

I am no unionist but its a bit rich for the ceo to get a 75% pay rise while playing hard ball.

(Sorry if this was already said   )

X2

[mcbadger2]

X2

Yes, timing was poor on this but put it into perspective of what overseas CEO's get and it is still peanuts.
The pilots, check in staff, baggage handlers etc are still the highest paid of any airline in Australia. These are the people along with the unions holding not only QANTAS but there paying passengers to ransom.

[SteveandViv]

1. Less than the damage the unions have done
2. Joyce reports to the shareholders, if they didn't like him they wouldn't have given him a pay rise
3. Both domestic and international are grounded and yes it is a sh!t sandwich if you're stuck somewhere, Virgin are rubbing their hands together
4. Most overseas visitors don't fly in on QF

And lets be real clear. They want money for jobs that are needed any more. Tasks that are not even performed any more due to new engine designs and how about the pilots that fly 767's wanting the same pay as one that fly's a A380. There needs to be incentive to work for what you get and honestly those that have out in the extra yards to fly the big planes deserve more money it's called inspiration to be better, not I want more  Can any one really think that a company should promise a job - No Way. What a W@nk. I hate these union types that think they have a right to disrupt every one for rights that you and I don't have or expect. it'a all about  the knobs that think they have that right, the union leaders. had some thing similar years ago in Sydney with Shell where they decided to block off the M4 so every one couldn't get to work because they thought we should all be disadvantaged because they couldn't work out a deal.

And good on Qantas for at least thinking about the travelers by pre -planning. The unions don't and are happy to just p1ss us all off at their wim by going on strike.

As bubba says, their restructuring and the changing direction of a huge organization is no easy task. They earn what they get.

it just goes on and on.  So for the record good on Qantas and you know what. I'd do the same because the days of a union power running this country have to end. Times changes and they need to move on. I bet most of you work your arse off every week and maybe even are happy to have a job but these lot seem to think it's OK to be greedy. There is a breaking point where it is no longer viable to run a company and just think about those engineers that want to be paid for work that is no longer viable. A bit like me getting paid to re-pack wheel bearings on the Paj when they are now sealed units. They need to upgrade their skills and move on

OK. Sure this will invoke some great feed back

[mcbadger2]

And lets be real clear. They want money for jobs that are needed any more. Tasks that are not even performed any more due to new engine designs and how about the pilots that fly 767's wanting the same pay as one that fly's a A380.

Virgin is trying the same. Pilots that fly the Embraer are trying to get the same as those that fly the A330. It comes down to responsibility as well. Having control over 70 passengers as opposed to 300 deserves more pay. The higher the number the higher the responsibility. It is no different to someone managing a staff of 10 to that of 50 deserving more rewards.

[Maîneÿ . . .]

have to remember the CEO of a publicly listed company has to have his 'pay' and any subsequent 'pay increase' approved by the BOARD of MANAGEMENT of the company.

The CEO does not have the capacity to award himself a payraise with out it first being approved by the Board of Management, and they are directly responsible to the investors in the company who vote them onto the Board yearly.
I assure you he would not be getting the money he is claimed to get, if the investors were unhappy with the financial returns of the company.
You pay peanuts and all you get is all lookalike, thinkalike, talkalot monkeys  

[mcbadger2]

have to remember the CEO of a publicly listed company has to have his 'pay' and any subsequent 'pay increase' approved by the BOARD of MANAGEMENT of the company.

The CEO does not have the capacity to award himself a payraise with out it first being approved by the Board of Management, and they are directly responsible to the investors in the company who vote them onto the Board yearly.

Completely agree, Alan Joyce did not just award himself this pay-rise. It was agreed upon by the board and ultimately the shareholders.

[crackacoldie]

Has anyone noticed that under Work Choices we had very little industrial unrest.  Now with a party in power, albeit by a thread, that is suppossed to support the worker and stand for workers rights, we have greater industrial unrest than in the last 10 years.  Seems to happen every time those union w@nkers get a little airtime in parliment.

Just my 2cents.

  Cracka

[Digger]

I have been on this foroum for some time and thought most of you were good aussie who love Australia and the way of life .But reading your red neck comments see you now as a a pack of fu#k wits that read the Murdoch press and thats it . I am a Qantas LAME for 27 years and we are asking for a  pay rise only 3% each year below inflation , and are asking that we are able to bid for contract work before it is sent overseas , if we are not the lowest bid then we lose the contract . All we are asking before it is sent overseas that we get a chance to bid for it .

I read all the threds about buying Aust and a shame is all gone to china etc etc but you bag us for trying to keep our jobs and Qantas in Australia .Well heres a fact Qantas had planed to ground all its fleet 10 days ago but still sold tickets and did not inform the public . The Lames called off all industrial action until 10th nov long before this.
 
When Qantas made 1.5 billion profit we took a 2% pay rise 2% lower than inflation because we took Qantas on its word that they were going to build the business , and they started Jet star and took work away from us .
I do not want a guaranteed job , I earn my job though hard work , but to see the share price go from $5.60 to $1.30 in 3 years and $72 million go to the board as a reward !!!!!
I will stand up for corporate greed any day !!!!!!!!   So all the knockers sit back and have a good look at your posts about keeping things in Aust and your rants about that and then reflect on your own double standards .

[D4D]

Intersting insight by Terry McCrann
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/this-could-be-the-end-of-an-airline/story-fn7x8me2-1226180553453

Digger - I understand your situation but your strikes have already p!ssed off customers which is why you don't have any support. I don't read the Murdoch press, I am a 12 year QF FF who has been inconvinienced due to your strike action. Looks like I will be a Virgin customer now as they have been chasing my business hard for months and have already matched my QF FF status.

[qlddsl]

the unions are fighting to keep qantas, australian. to keep jobs in australia for australians. look what has happened since the maintenece has gone overseas, from one the best airline to no.8 allready and falling rapidly. why, profit to the shareholders and executives, cheaper pay more profit for them. think chinese camper here!!!  how would you feel if your boss took a 75% pay increase, and you couldnt get a pissy 3%... my prediction, BYE BYE Qantas in the name of corporate greed

[Heiny]

Has anyone noticed that under Work Choices we had very little industrial unrest.  Now with a party in power, albeit by a thread, that is suppossed to support the worker and stand for workers rights, we have greater industrial unrest than in the last 10 years.  Seems to happen every time those union w@nkers get a little airtime in parliment.

Just my 2cents.

  Cracka

Spot on Cracka bring back Work Choices for the sake of Australian business

bubba

[speewa158]

I hope the unions are proud of their work ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, everything they touch they stuff .

[morgue]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the Qantas Boardroom at the moment...they, the executive of the company are taking the whole company to the brink.
I can't believe that James Strong, ex CEO of Qantas and Australian, would allow this very extreme measure to happen, of my conversations with him, he seemed a person who would listen, add up the pros and con's, then act accordingly. He never seemed a confrontationalist type of personality. Many hours were spent, talking and discussing problems through.
If James Strong has any real strong feelings of honour and repect of people as he has spoken about on many occasions....then he should resign and not be a party of this action.

The media is lapping this up for all it is worth, the right wing press are loving it...Abott and co are smiling all the way to the next election.
Qantas is a public company, not owned by the government any more (Like it still should be) so which ever government was in power, they can do fk all, it is up to the parties concerned and the arbitrators to sort this mess out...not the court of public opinion and redneck rightwing media.

There is talk of the competition that Qantas faces internationally.
Singapore Airlines (50% government directly owned...20% indirectlly.... through intermeditary government departments)
Etihad...Owners...United Arab Emerates
Emirates...ex Gulf Air...Saudi government

So you have 3 of the most progressive and aggressive airlines in our neck of the woods...over 70% government owned with open check books.
Don't get me started on the Chinese Airlines....that are sniffing around.
  

 
So I hear complaints by people, saying that there is nothing Australian again...every thing is going overseas, there is no more industry in Australia any more.

Well Hellow, I hate to tell you, the CEO of Qantas and his board want to do the same with Qantas....send jobs and our Australian expertese overseas....
The arguements of wages and industrial blackmail, union thuggery, high profits, executive pays and such are all sidelines to the main show...the moving offshore of Qantas.

It means the survival of another Australan company...the second oldest profitable airline in the world.
Hudson Fysh would be turning over in his grave..

It's just a bloody crying shame.
I am just dumbfounded, that Strong and a couple of others( who will remain nameless)  have been bullied by Leigh, to back this utter stupid executive decision.


In all industrial action, there are three sides to the whole argument...your side, their side and the truth.

[swanny]

I have been on this foroum for some time and thought most of you were good aussie who love Australia and the way of life .But reading your red neck comments see you now as a a pack of fu#k wits that read the Murdoch press and thats it . I am a Qantas LAME for 27 years and we are asking for a  pay rise only 3% each year below inflation , and are asking that we are able to bid for contract work before it is sent overseas , if we are not the lowest bid then we lose the contract . All we are asking before it is sent overseas that we get a chance to bid for it .

I read all the threds about buying Aust and a shame is all gone to china etc etc but you bag us for trying to keep our jobs and Qantas in Australia .Well heres a fact Qantas had planed to ground all its fleet 10 days ago but still sold tickets and did not inform the public . The Lames called off all industrial action until 10th nov long before this.
 
When Qantas made 1.5 billion profit we took a 2% pay rise 2% lower than inflation because we took Qantas on its word that they were going to build the business , and they started Jet star and took work away from us .
I do not want a guaranteed job , I earn my job though hard work , but to see the share price go from $5.60 to $1.30 in 3 years and $72 million go to the board as a reward !!!!!
I will stand up for corporate greed any day !!!!!!!!   So all the knockers sit back and have a good look at your posts about keeping things in Aust and your rants about that and then reflect on your own double standards .

Well said Digger, dont worry mate ill stand be side you, i too am going thru something very similar only in the mining industry, oh i can hear the comments now " the mining industry, how much pay do you want", and as for Allan Joyce, hes nothing more then a stinking greedy corporate prick out for himself.

Hang in there digger, i better i get of now i'm getting fired up.

To think we are Aussies. unreal