Qantas fleet grounded

[Heiny]

Qantas has grounded its entire fleet from 5pm today and will lockout staff

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/89565/qantas-grounds-entire-fleet-and-will-lock-out-staff

Good on Qantas I say, for standing up to the unrealistic demands from the unions

bubba

[2 Brutal]

Yer good on them it is costing them $15m a week now, it will cost them a lot more with this decision, but screw the unions, they can't hold 1 of the worlds biggest companies to ransom.

[Hairs]

I was just reading it.
Qantas grounds entire fleet

[D4D]

This is going to get interesting. Virgin has been hammering QF frequent flyers with a big push as they want the business traveller. I might be taking my first Virgin flights if QF don't get back in the air soon.

[bluejay]

Im sure the qantas ceo and all the other top heavy qantas administrators will still get their great big multi million dollar salaries while the poor workers try for a couple off dollars more

[D4D]

I had to laugh at this comment, a bit rich coming from the government who removed Workchoices and therefore allowed this dispute to get to this point.

QANTAS' decision to ground its fleet without advanced notice to the government is ''a breach of faith,'' federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese says.

Is Joyce the next Corrigan?

[tagman]

Every business reaches a point that it can not afford to pay its employees more.
Every employee wants more pay.
Every union wants more members so must be seen to be getting more money for their members.
Sooner or latter a stalemate is reached. I have some personal experience of a union demanding more and more from my employer.
The owner of the business then realized they would make more money with less stress if they sacked every one (about 500 workers) and sold all their real estate. Guess what they did?
Wasn't their another major airline in Australia once that was regarded as a great place to work with high pay and conditions?(i am told by former workers)

What was it called?
Yes i do think the ceo's are well and truly overpaid.But he answers to shareholders not unions.
my 2cents
Brett 

[Heiny]

I had to laugh at this comment, a bit rich coming from the government who removed Workchoices and therefore allowed this dispute to get to this point.

QANTAS' decision to ground its fleet without advanced notice to the government is ''a breach of faith,'' federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese says.

Is Joyce the next Corrigan?

I'm LMFAO at this comment because the ranga said last night that the Government would not intervein and now Anthony has the Kleenex out and having a sook

This Government gave the Unions more power when Rudd got in and now look what has happened

Im sure the qantas ceo and all the other top heavy qantas administrators will still get their great big multi million dollar salaries while the poor workers try for a couple off dollars more

This recent industrial action had cost Qantas 70 million dollars to date (15 million per day) NO company regardless of size can sustain those losses, the  industrial action is about more than money, one of the unions were demanding Qantas build a new hangar!! WTF has that got to do with the unions
Poor workers my a#*e   greedy workers and their unions are one of the reasons that so many Australian businesses have had to increase prices, source materials/manufacturing off shore and become uncompetetive.

If Qantas had bowed down to the demands of the unions, they would have become uncompetetive on the global market and slowly gone broke.

It's ok for the workers to take industrial action , so now Qantas have taken it against them and well done to Qantas for doing it Qantas were facing threats of 24 and 48 hour strikes from early next week, so they had little choice but to do what they are doing now.

The unions have now placed thier own members jobs in jepeordy well done I hope they are happy now

bubba

[Hal Harvey]

Is Joyce the next Corrigan?

Not a moment before time... and if I were him I would have given Corrigan a ring for a chat through the week.

[Camping Grant]

My concerns are:
1. What damage is Alan Joyce's actions having on the Qantas brand?
2. We are talking about an airline which was losing $15million per week due to the industrial action, but Mr Joyce's actions will cost the airline $20million per day (that is $140 million per week) - how does this sit with shareholders?
3. How will Mr Joyce's actions affect travellers that are trying to get home domestically? What about those that are trying to get to sick family members?
4. How will Mr Joyce's action affect the tourism industry in Australia? The industry is already struggling, and this action will only exaserbate that issue.

Whilst I agree that unions are probably being over the top, the actions of Qantas management appear to have been both misleading and deceptive at the AGM of Qantas yesterday, given that Qantas management had begun pre-booking hotel rooms on Thursday.

Anyway, rant over!

Cheers Grant

[D4D]

1. Less than the damage the unions have done
2. Joyce reports to the shareholders, if they didn't like him they wouldn't have given him a pay rise
3. Both domestic and international are grounded and yes it is a sh!t sandwich if you're stuck somewhere, Virgin are rubbing their hands together
4. Most overseas visitors don't fly in on QF

[Duchess]

It is shades of the pilots strike in the 80's all over again.

If Qantas has to sack all and bring in new workers...so be it. It has happened before. Not a happy resolution but one all the same.

I find it quite astounding at comments I am seeing on Facebook where for example one of my "friends" says "now you know why I don't fly Qantas."

Actually, I don't know why they don't. Personally, I fly with them any chance I get. With a safety record that no other airline in the world can match, why would you fly any other?

I would bet my new FJ that Virgin employs more overseas staff than Qantas...

[Heiny]

My concerns are:
1. What damage is Alan Joyce's actions having on the Qantas brand?
2. We are talking about an airline which was losing $15million per week due to the industrial action, but Mr Joyce's actions will cost the airline $20million per day (that is $140 million per week) - how does this sit with shareholders?
3. How will Mr Joyce's actions affect travellers that are trying to get home domestically? What about those that are trying to get to sick family members?
4. How will Mr Joyce's action affect the tourism industry in Australia? The industry is already struggling, and this action will only exaserbate that issue.

Whilst I agree that unions are probably being over the top, the actions of Qantas management appear to have been both misleading and deceptive at the AGM of Qantas yesterday, given that Qantas management had begun pre-booking hotel rooms on Thursday.

Anyway, rant over!

Cheers Grant

1. This is a Board decision, not just Alan Joyce's and I'm sure it's a calculated risk.
2. The indusrial action by the unions has been going on for months! this action by Qantas will not be for long and will hurt Qantas far more than anyone else involved and they have little choice as they can not bow down to the demands of the unions
3. Simarly to how the union members strikes affect them, but there are other airlines in Australia.
4. Refer to # 3

Far from over

bubba

[D4D]

Pot kettle black 

"Alan Joyce is holding a knife to the nation's throat," Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) vice-president Richard Woodward said.

[Heiny]

It is shades of the pilots strike in the 80's all over again.

If Qantas has to sack all and bring in new workers...so be it. It has happened before. Not a happy resolution but one all the same.

I find it quite astounding at comments I am seeing on Facebook where for example one of my "friends" says "now you know why I don't fly Qantas."

Actually, I don't know why they don't. Personally, I fly with them any chance I get. With a safety record that no other airline in the world can match, why would you fly any other?

I would bet my new FJ that Virgin employs more overseas staff than Qantas...

I totally agree with you Duchess Qantas is by far the best airline that I have ever been on and thier safetey record is untouchable

bubba

[D4D]

Yeah but you have to put up with sh!t service and snarly flight crews

[Heiny]

Pot kettle black 

"Alan Joyce is holding a knife to the nation's throat," Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) vice-president Richard Woodward said.

Yes it appears that when the unions are the ones doing it all is good, but when the shoe is on the other foot

[MarkGU]

my 2 cents.

Unions ( another word for Catfish........bottom feeders) 

when i was going through high school my father was in the underground coal mines in Newcastle. Unions thought it was a dandy idea to go on strike for a couple of months to hurt the coal mining company. we lived on rations for that time while the Union bosses still were getting paid and living the high life.

not at all a fan of the Cat fish.

 

[Duchess]

Yeah but you have to put up with sh!t service and snarly flight crews

Are you talking about Qantas?

In all my years of flying with them, I have never experienced this  ...and I have a few FF miles up with them too...not to mention all the great blokes I know who are pilots with them and LAME's...go figure, I am sorry you have had a bad experience.

[Diesel Power]

I bet Alan Joyce didn't hand back his 2 million bonus for the good of the company.

[Heiny]

my 2 cents.

Unions ( another word for Catfish........bottom feeders)  

when i was going through high school my father was in the underground coal mines in Newcastle. Unions thought it was a dandy idea to go on strike for a couple of months to hurt the coal mining company. we lived on rations for that time while the Union bosses still were getting paid and living the high life.

not at all a fan of the Cat fish.
 

Living the high life from from your Father's and his fellow workers union fee's deducted from his very hard earned wage , more like leaches than catfish I reckon

bubba

[D4D]

Are you talking about Qantas?

In all my years of flying with them, I have never experienced this  ...and I have a few FF miles up with them too...not to mention all the great blokes I know who are pilots with them and LAME's...go figure, I am sorry you have had a bad experience.

Yup I used to fly QF 3 weeks a month for a few years, now 2-3 times a month.

The latest issue was BNE airport. First time travelling with the baby and needed to heat the bottle up. Microwave was not working in the Parent's room. I had to get the shift supervisor into the QF club to get a jug of hot water because it was against OH&S to give it to me. Wife was a little distressed as our boy was not happy he had to wait for his milk. Didn't seem to bother the snarly CSM behind the counter. She won't be getting employee of the month after the emails I sent to her management.

[D4D]

I bet Alan Joyce didn't hand back his 2 million bonus for the good of the company.

Why should he?

[ralphedward]

The fun has only just begun with this sort of action.  Whilst the Ranga is non commital (sniggering under her breath) this sort of action is going to become the norm.   Storm clouds ahead people!!!!!!!!

[Heiny]

I bet Alan Joyce didn't hand back his 2 million bonus for the good of the company.

He possibly gets paid too much or maybe you/we are jelous of his success

This is not about Alan Joyce, it's about unions being unflexable with there demands of a great Australian company that wants to expand it's business offshore.

Australian's don't like off shore company's expanding into the domestic market and now we don't want one of Australia's greatest company's expanding it's business into other countries, so WTF do we want then