Commonwealth overrides Victoria on issue of grazing in alpine park

[Redback]

Yes and this prevents green grass turning into brown grass, fuel for bushfires

Watch out for the nematodes 

And here I was thinking that dead leaves and branches from trees was fuel for bushfires, silly me :'(

[JethroT]

If you check out the amount of grass in a good paddock without stock, you won't even notice the leaves and sticks.

I'm a Publice Servant and have to agree that we make some terribly uninformed decisions, mainly because most of us live in Ivory towers in the city and consider anything an hour from the City to be unchartered wilderness, full of kangaroos.  And Ministers listen to our advice.

I'm afraid we'll all be bending over for the Brown bobber eventually.

Regards

[Redback]

If you check out the amount of grass in a good paddock without stock, you won't even notice the leaves and sticks.

I'm a Publice Servant and have to agree that we make some terribly uninformed decisions, mainly because most of us live in Ivory towers in the city and consider anything an hour from the City to be unchartered wilderness, full of kangaroos.  And Ministers listen to our advice.

I'm afraid we'll all be bending over for the Brown bobber eventually.

Regards

So letting cattle graze in the Alpine regions will prevent bushfires, give me a break!!!!!!!!

The only differance would be dead cows, mmmmm steaaaaak

[briann532]

I'm an ignorant NSwelshman, but I go to to the high country often and love it......

I'm also NOT a public servant and have no informed opinions of the situation.
BUT........

I do know it has nothing to do with bushfires or grazing.
It called politics Nothing more nothing less.

Come on Bob its my turn now. Vaseline please its still virgin...........

Roll on election........lets hope people aren't stupid enough to let the terrorists greens get any more power.

[Bird]

Roll on election........lets hope people aren't stupid enough to let the terrorists greens get any more power.

sadly voters are stupid.... or we wouldnt be in this position... doggy.

[qlddsl]

Just a few points, the total amout of cattle is only in the hundreds, you would be lucky to see 1.  Grazing can  reduce the severity of a bushfire, majority of the black Saturday fires that burnt in the hills, was not grazed. what about the damage that the wild deer do, they are up there all year. I think it's just the start, 4wd's will be next.  Just think about it at the next elections!

[DeLuxHiLux]

I've been going to the Victorian high country for about 20 years, give or take. Both with and without cattle grazing. Personally, I find it quite amazing , even nostalgic,  to come across a mob grazing. It's a throw back to a "bygone" era, something to explain to the kids, regale them with stories written many a year ago. And i have to have to say I've never had to dodge huge piles of Steamers.

Just another stupid decison made by numbskulls in Canberra, messing with State affairs, by people, some of which have probably never set foot in Victoria, let alone the High Country. Joolia Bogan and her political Puppetmaster Bob to Bobbleheaded Git, know they only have a limited time to ruin the country before they get voted out at the next election, so they appear to be on a rampage to perform as much carnage as possible before their time runs out! Problem is, I dont think the alternative is much better

*Kicks Soapbox back under the table*

[Bird]

Todays report.

Burke bans cattle grazing in Vic park
January 31, 2012 - 12:59PM
The federal government has banned cattle grazing in Victoria's Alpine National Park.

Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke said the Victorian coalition government's proposal to reintroduce cattle to the park would undermine the national heritage values of the Australian Alps National Parks.

"My decision is based on a thorough and rigorous assessment of the proposal, taking into account the advice of my department (WHO? HIS OWN EXPERTS, OR THE GREENS?)," Mr Burke said in a statement on Tuesday.

[DeLuxHiLux]

"My decision is based on a thorough and rigorous assessment of the proposal, taking into account the advice of my department (WHO? HIS OWN EXPERTS, OR THE GREENS?)," Mr Burke said in a statement on Tuesday.

I take it that was a Rhetorical Question

[stepheng]

Personally I think it is a good thing. The original decision to cease cattle in the High Country was done by the previous ALP Gov't in Victoria. The current Gov't in Victoria overturned it when they were taken over by the National Party and got a few votes out of it....this is politics.

The Gilliard Government then overode it cos it is a dumb thing to do by the Vic Gov't (which was done purely for political purposes) based upon all of the scientific advice etc they have been provided. Allowing cattle to graze due to nostalgia is not enough reason.

Hopefully it means that this area will be available for all of us to use in the future.

[D4D]

Hopefully it means that this area will be available for all of us to use in the future.

Not it Prime Minister Brown and Deputy Joolia have their way

[DeLuxHiLux]

Hopefully it means that this area will be available for all of us to use in the future.

Not sure what part of grazing would "undermine the national heritage value". I though it would actually improve the "heritage value" given it's historical perspective and impact on Australian Literature/history?

 I can honestly say that at no time in my many trips to the Vic high country has a grazing Heifer ever confronted me and told me to get out of "their" territory. Humans on the other hand......... I've had a few that had "laid claim" to a particular piece of Camp site as if they own it.

I'm not sure if the "science" supports "Alpine grazing reduces Blazing", but i know that in the paddocks behind my place, they used to run a small heard. the grass never needed slashing. Since the cattle were "moved on" 3 years ago, we have had to fight to get the Head high grass slashed by the owner every year to reduce the fire hazard.

Yep it's politics alright.  Joolia has less credability than a Used Car Salesman right now. Pretty hard to take anything the Fed's do seriously, other than the fact that it seriously effects all of us. Be Afraid, be very Afraid.

Just like Labor stopped it to get some Votes, Big Ted and Co. brought it back in for some Votes, and now Joolia is digging her Heels in Because her Boss, Bob Brown, is probably telling her to, and hiding in the background so no one can see him pulling the puppet strings . Meantime, Real actual people, who have business's to run and an economy to stimulate, get ignored and thrown around like ping pong balls in a tornado while numbskulls in far away places make decisions about places they've never actually been to, and things they know nothing more about that what an expert, who they paid  for their opinion tells them to think. Where do you think the universities get the money to do this research? It's not all from Student fees, that's for sure.

there will always be two camps (no pun intended) to this, and there realistically is no middle ground. Meanwhile, the Man (and women) on the Land gets screwed.  Not trying to start a flame war, its just the other point of view. This is a divisive topic, maybe alomost as much as Pro-Life vs Pro-choice (well, amongst this crowd awayway!!) there is probalby a point where we need to agree to disagree.

[Robin Miller]

I support the cattle grazing , and see this as another attack on our cultural heritage.

Lets hope Ted appeals and continues the fight.
 

[gregw56]

shame joolia shame. the redhead and bendover bob are tryin their hardest to stuff this country. sadly this is not the australia i grew up in

[Bird]

Not it Prime Minister Brown and Deputy Joolia have their way

Bingo.,

[stepheng]

This is turnining into a political topic and as usual it is all Julia and Bob Browns fault, with conspiracy therioes abound. Was thinking of wrirting a long response but this isnt the forum and I would like to be nice to ppl in the future, as have appreciated advice etc. Agree to disagree

[Mace]

This is turnining into a political topic and as usual it is all Julia and Bob Browns fault, with conspiracy therioes abound. Was thinking of wrirting a long response but this isnt the forum and I would like to be nice to ppl in the future, as have appreciated advice etc. Agree to disagree

x2

[hainess]

But, you must believe Mr Burke when he says this...
http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/exclusive-burke-unveils-his-vision-for-fishing

Although his masters say this.....
http://greens.org.au/policies/environment/marine-and-coastal-areas

Fish Facts April 2012 – Australia to have 70% of the worlds Marine Parks

For the purposes of the planning process, Australia’s marine waters have been divided into 6 bioregions, namely the South East, South West, North West, North, Coral Sea and Temperate east regions. Before the 2007 election, the bioregional planning process had just finished with rezoning of the South East region, which resulted in establishment of one of the worlds largest marine parks (338,000 square km) in the waters surrounding Tasmania, Victoria , Southern NSW and the Antarctic territories

The summary statistics are contained in Table 1, where it is evident that a 700% increase in marine parks area has been planned, taking up nearly 2.4 million square km or 34% of Australia’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Of this area, up to 53% of the various bioregions is being proposed to be closed to all fishing (overall average 41.69%), which equates to a staggering 16% of the entire EEZ. This means that the Australian Government plans to exceed the international marine park targets by around 339%, around 8 years ahead of schedule.

Now ignoring the new parks in state waters for a moment, the planned additional 2,398,216 km2 of marine parks in Federal waters during the bioregional planning process are greater in area than the entire worlds MPA area as of 2010.

And if the government runs to plan, by the end of 2012, we will have 840,000 + 2,396,216 = approx 3,236,216 km2 of MPAs in Australia (both state and federal marine parks). Assuming that no other big parks are declared around the world this year (there is 8 years to go to meet the international deadline, so whats the rush ?), the world total will be


2,200,000 km2 + 2,396,216 km2 (the new parks from Australia) = 4,596,216 km2


SO, by end of 2012, it is entirely possible then that if other countries delay implementation of new parks until closer to 2020, Australia will have (3,236,216/4,596,216)*100 = 70.4% of the entire worlds marine park area........


I think the figures speak for themselves.

The above information provided by Sunfish. Qld.

Rod

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[stepheng]

The figuers do speak them for themselves but I dont see your point..are you saying it is a bad thing that Australia will have a lot of National Parks and Marine Zones? As a farther of three young people, I can only hope that they will see and experience things I have seen in the Australian bush and oceans, but if it isnt protected it wont be there. You only have to look to Europe and other parts of the world to see the pollution and destruction.

We all enjoy the camping experience (I think that is why we are here) so the more the better, unless you want to live in industrial waste lands, with land bought up by foregin companies sucking out the resources with no care for what is left behind

[speewa158]

Just suppose we had a resource that would /could be used & be self sustaining . By using it wisely over many generations that have looked after it with the knowledge to maintain the asset . People would come to see it an action & share in the experience . Creating many jobs along the way , improving the economy of little towns in the regins . This would slow the decline & drift of people from the bush to the city . Once there had been thriving community's but because of the resource was locked away there is only a memory of what had been & a decline of skills to the point where all that's left is whats written in the pages of history .
In the mean while with nobody maintaining the resource it creates its own problems as it rambles out of control . Eventully it become a hazard to the remains of the community's that were created around it .
If it ain't broke dint fix it

[thePunter1]

Don't trust politicians or their families......

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/baillieu-clans-key-cattleman-20111208-1olha.html

[D4D]

Don't believe everything you read

[Bird]

Don't trust politicians or their families......

that line right there is worth believing!!!

[stepheng]

Don't trust politicians or their families......x3

Agreed, there seems to be a common view that the current PM is a liar and that this is something new...regardless of their political flavour they are all in the end the same...promisis will be made and broken if it means that this increases their vote...this is a reality of politics. I couldnt count how many times the previous PM broke promisis..the same with Premier of Vic (current and previous)

I cant recall a politician who kept their word, either at the state, federal or local level.

[dazzler]

Seems more to do with some hanging onto dreams of a bygone era than real science.

Hooved animals are not native to Australia and cause damage to fragile ecosystems such as the snowy.

I would love to be the man from Araluen and graze the high country. Sadly it ain't Gunna happen. Like the model T it was a quaint past time but it's time has passed. Move on.

It's a national park. Treat it like one I reckon.