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Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« on: September 13, 2016, 12:21:04 PM »
For those of you who are not weather nerds like I, Himawari-8 is a Japanese Weather satellite. It is relatively new having only been launched in late 2014. It takes extremely high spatial and temporal resolution images of the earth from a geo-stationary position above the equator near Indonesia.

Meranti is a super-typhoon currently heading towards Taiwan and China with sustained windspeeds of 279km/h (155kts) gusting to 340km/h!

You are all fluid mechanics nerds however (don’t deny it … you are and denying it will only make it painful for you later ;) ) so I figured that you may appreciate the beauty in the conjunction of Meranti and Himawari . This will update so try and look at it today if you can :)

http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/loop.asp?data_folder=himawari-8/himawari-8_band_03_sector_04&width=1020&height=720&number_of_images_to_display=48&loop_speed_ms=100

For those of you who are really super nerdy Meranti is in a lovely low Vshear environment (<5kt) at the moment and high SSTs (>31 °C) which will see some further intensification over the next 12-18 hours.

There is a risk of some dry air in the north / North East  quadrants getting sucked in which would destabilise it slightly, but it has so much momentum, it would be a little like a horse swatting a fly - annoying but not really harmful!

Microwave image shows good structure, but not a perfect annular cyclone with a gap in convection in north East quad ... which is a little surprising given it's strength - this is possibly because it is still intensifying and consolidating.

Watch the MW images over the next 12-18hrs. If it doesnt turn into a perfect cyclone then I'll eat my hat. All the ingredients are there.

To be perfectly honest, technically it is already an lovely cyclone with a clearly symmetric central dense overcast (CDO) around a symmetric eyewall. My point was that the convection according to the MW image 6hrs ago is not quite symmetric. It is pretty close, but I'm a pedant and like to see a perfectly "maxed" out MW Temperature surrounding the eye before I call it annular! :D

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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2016, 12:27:00 PM »
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2016, 01:08:52 PM »
My internal definition of an "annular" cyclone has apparently been wrong all these years! There are clearly large outflow bands which means it is NOT nor will it become an annular cyclone ... still pretty though :)


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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2016, 05:02:57 PM »
Thanks for that, a great explanation that I understood every word of  ??? ;D ;D
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 05:36:07 PM »
Amazing

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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 05:37:48 PM »
Thanks for that, a great explanation that I understood every word of  ??? ;D ;D


You dont need to understand it to appreciate it's raw beauty! :)

The full disc image shows how big it is.
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 07:27:27 PM »
I though this thread would be a discussion about timber species including meranti and some other Malaysian rainforest timber!!

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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2016, 09:30:19 PM »
Pretty good wind mapping here  www.windyty.com
few good swirls happening
https://www.windyty.com/?pressure,-37.029,-44.567,4

https://www.windyty.com/?21.085,123.003,6


Yep they are some really nice visualizations! They are from the GFS model forecasts which is really not ideal for meso and micro scale phenomena like cyclones. Ensemble tracks like JTWC are better and more trustworthy.

Meranti is down top 898 hPa ... that is pretty low. It is also up to 160 kts = 292 km/h SUSTAINED winds ... just imagine that. It is up near Typhoon Haiyan territory which devastated the Philippines.
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2016, 09:54:08 PM »
Geez....   280km wind bursts. ...   another good test for that mega skyscraper they built in Taipei ---   the one with the multi ton pendulum below the roof. ..    "Taipei 101"
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 05:05:54 AM »
I think the real beauty about himawari 8 is the fact it takes while continent shots every 10 minutes as apposed to a number of hours for previous data sources. Nice viewer available here : http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/ .  They use it at work (Geoscience Australia) to generate data for the sentinel hotspot system.


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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2016, 09:17:00 AM »
I think the real beauty about himawari 8 is the fact it takes while continent shots every 10 minutes as apposed to a number of hours for previous data sources. Nice viewer available here : http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/ .  They use it at work (Geoscience Australia) to generate data for the sentinel hotspot system.


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actually its rapid scan will take shots every 2-3 min!The resolution of the bom images does not seem to be as high as those on Colorado states RAMMB site here http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis/online/himawari-8.asp

I thought all the sentinel data came from Aqua and terra? I learnt something new today! Thanks!  8)
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2016, 09:18:23 AM »
Geez....   280km wind bursts. ...   another good test for that mega skyscraper they built in Taipei ---   the one with the multi ton pendulum below the roof. ..    "Taipei 101"
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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2016, 12:22:59 PM »
modern engineering marvels those thing are...

Speaking of which and off topic ;D; I recently read on a news aggregate website about a group of very highly ranked structural engineers that did a survey on the how and why -- the twin towers imploded on 9/11  - and especially WTC7 ....   They concluded that it was a massive statistical improbably that fire would have "pulled" these steel structures; they way it happened...

Food for thought - for all the Conspiracy Theorists outa there...       >:D


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Christmas has come early for “conspiracy theorists” around the world. An academic report published by Europhysics News in time for the anniversary of 9/11 is questioning the official explanation for the collapse of all three World Trade Center buildings on September 11, 2001, and their conclusion may make even the most rational person rethink their outlook. As the report from Europhysics News, a “ magazine of the European physics community,” notes:

“It bears repeating that fires have never caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise before or since 9/11. Did we witness an unprecedented event three separate times on September 11, 2001? The NIST [U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology] reports, which attempted to support that unlikely conclusion, fail to persuade a growing number of architects, engineers, and scientists. Instead, the evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition. Given the far-reaching implications, it is morally imperative that this hypothesis be the subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities.”

Entitled “15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses,” the investigation was conducted by Steven Jones, a former professor of physics at Brigham Young University; Robert Korol, a professor emeritus of civil engineering at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada and a fellow of the Canadian Society for Civil Engineering and the Engineering Institute of Canada; Anthony Szamboti, a mechanical design engineer; and Ted Walter, author of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth’s Beyond Misinformation: “What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2 and 7.”

The Europhysics News report begins by questioning the official explanation for the collapse of the three buildings on September 11, 2001, as determined by the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). NIST began carrying out an investigation in August 2002, and their findings are still questioned to this day. The report reminds us that:

“Indeed, neither before nor since 9/11 have fires caused the total collapse of a steel-framed high-rise—nor has any other natural event, with the exception of the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, which toppled a 21-story office building. Otherwise, the only phenomenon capable of collapsing such buildings completely has been by way of a procedure known as controlled demolition, whereby explosives or other devices are used to bring down a structure intentionally.”

The report explains why this would be the case, offering four main explanations why steel-framed high rises have endured large fires in the past without undergoing total collapse: (1) the heat of a fire and its duration do not typically generate enough energy to heat the large structural members to the point where they would fail; (2) most high-rise buildings have fire suppression systems (such as water sprinklers) that would further inhibit the fire from reaching anywhere near the heat necessary to create a total collapse; (3) the structural members are protected by fireproofing materials, which are designed to prevent the structure from reaching failure temperatures within specified time periods; (4) steel-framed high-rise buildings are designed to be highly redundant, meaning that the buildings can suffer a partial collapse due to a fire but would not result in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.

“Countless other steel-framed high-rises have experienced large, long-lasting fires without suffering either partial or total collapse,” the report points out.

It goes on to confirm the scientists’ doubts regarding the official explanation by referencing the head structural engineer of the buildings, John Skilling, who was interviewed by the Seattle Times following the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Skilling, who was concerned about a possible airplane attack, performed an analysis that proved the towers would withstand the impact of Boeing 707:

“Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed…The building structure would still be there…However, I’m not saying that properly applied explosives—shaped explosives—of that magnitude could not do a tremendous amount of damage…. I would imagine that if you took the top expert in that type of work and gave him the assignment of bringing these buildings down with explosives, I would bet that he could do it.”

To put it politely, Skilling believed the only thing that could bring down the Twin Towers was controlled demolition, certainly not a fire alone – not even a “horrendous fire.”
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A controlled demolition would better explain how the buildings were able to collapse in the manner that they did, the report argues:

“In general, the technique used to demolish large buildings involves cutting the columns in a large enough area of the building to cause the intact portion above that area to fall and crush itself as well as crush whatever remains below it.

This technique can be done in an even more sophisticated way, by timing the charges to go off in a sequence so that the columns closest to the center are destroyed first. The failure of the interior columns creates an inward pull on the exterior and causes the majority of the building to be pulled inward and downward while materials are being crushed, thus keeping the crushed materials in a somewhat confined area—often within the building’s ‘footprint.’ This method is often referred to as ‘implosion.’”

The lesser-known WTC building 7, which also collapsed that day, is “remarkable because it exemplified all the signature features of an implosion.” According to the report:

“The building dropped in absolute free fall for the first 2.25 seconds of its descent over a distance of 32 meters or eight stories. Its transition from stasis to free fall was sudden, occurring in approximately one-half second. It fell symmetrically straight down. Its steel frame was almost entirely dismembered and deposited mostly inside the building’s footprint, while most of its concrete was pulverized into tiny particles. Finally, the collapse was rapid, occurring in less than seven seconds.”

In relation to WTC Building 7, the report criticizes the official NIST explanation by pointing out some heavy flaws with their investigation. The NIST investigation began with the conclusion that fires brought down WTC building 7 but then had trouble trying to reconcile the evidence with that predetermined conclusion.

The NIST report also attempted to deny the building fell at free-fall speed. However, independently verifying NIST’s computer modeling is currently impossible because NIST refuses to release a large portion of its data, arguing doing so “might jeopardize public safety.”

The most surprising aspect of this report, however, is that it goes further than any “conspiracy theorist” would ever have expected it to by questioning the explanation for the collapse of the Twin Tower buildings, as well. The report acknowledges:

“Thus, the definitive report on the collapse of the Twin Towers contains no analysis of why the lower sections failed to arrest or even slow the descent of the upper sections—which NIST acknowledges ‘came down essentially in free fall’—nor does it explain the various other phenomena observed during the collapses. When a group of petitioners filed a formal Request for Correction asking NIST to perform such analysis, NIST replied that it was ‘unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse’ because ‘the computer models [were] not able to converge on a solution.””

Lastly, the report briefly argues that to this day, there is still a significant volume of unexplained evidence that further supports the theory controlled demolitions took place on that tragic day fifteen years ago, including the fact that videos and photographs show numerous high-velocity bursts of debris being ejected from “point-like sources”; the well-documented presence of molten metal throughout the debris field; and a number of eyewitness accounts (some 156 witnesses) stating they saw, heard and/or felt explosions prior to and during the collapses.

As the authors of the report note, until their hypothesis is the “subject of a truly scientific and impartial investigation by responsible authorities,” we will never know the truth of what happened for sure. People will continue to speculate, and those of us who question the official story will continue to be labeled “crazy” despite the fact that there are many unanswered questions.

For example, if it’s crazy to question why media outlets reported on the collapse of WTC Building 7 before it even collapsed, then perhaps we should never question anything.

As rapper Lupe Fiasco wrote in his song “Words I Never Said”:

“9/11, Building 7, did they really pull it?”

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Re: Himawari-8 vs Meranti
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2016, 01:00:36 PM »
Amazingly its only taken them 15 years to work out what most normal people knew right from the start .. ;D
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