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Offline Campfire

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Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« on: August 19, 2011, 10:49:39 PM »
Having seen some of the expensive set ups for fancy carriers when it comes to loading and unloading kayaks for fishing, I decided to make my own loader.

I have a set of Pro Racks on my Hilux 4x4 and also purchased the kayak support holders. Considering my kayak is big and not exactly light I needed a set up so I could load it myself. I've seen some set ups around $700 ( Thule), and some around $200 ( rack and roll ).

I decided to use heavy industrial cable ties and strap a galvanized adjustable tent spreader bar to my front roof rack so I can pull it in and out, I temporary run a vertical tent pole and some pool noodle foam over the pull out spreader bar, this allows mento load the the front of the kayak up on the bar, then it's just a matter of grabbing the rear of the kayak and then picking up and over onto the roof rack kayak supports, followed by doing the front of the kayak. Once finished the vertical tent pole and noodle foam is placed in vehicle, the horizontal spreader bar is pushed back into it self ( attached to roof rack), and then it's just a matter of securing the kayak and driving off. This method cost be around $25 and saved me anywhere between $200 - $700.

My kayak is decked out a fair bit, including sail/ motor options.

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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 11:17:14 PM »
Yes the pole that you can extend out the side is a nice simple way.

I have seen someone on one of the kayak fishing forums, makes something like you are talking about. But if you can do it with a tent pole, all the better.

I put a roller on the back of my roofrack but it is still a bit of effort to get the front of the kayak up on the roller then lift the back and push it up.

Lately I have been using my camper trailer for the kayak and now built a trailer just for the yak as it is bloody big heavy Hobie AI with all the gear on it is about 60kg.

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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 12:00:57 AM »
Hobies are great kayak and very popular, I would have liked the Pro Angler but it was too big for my needs and was also keen on the Outback, ended going with a Cobra kayak for all round general purpose use. I do like the Stealth Fisha 550

I often wonder if having a kayak on a trailer defeats the purpose of what they are about, after all if it's that big you need to tow in it's own trailer than you may as well should go out and buy a decnt size Tinnie.

I alway believe each to their own, and diversity in gear and use can make for an interesting forum site, it would be pretty boring if this site was full of Jayco owners of the same model.

I wanted something that was able to work with roof racks and be transported on my own

Good luck with your Hobie, I can understand needing a trailer for that, it's more a kayak on steroids / half sailing boat.

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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 12:45:46 AM »
Yes I know what you mean about defeating the purpose of a kayak, with the size of the Hobie. I have used it only a few times just as the kayak. It is a lot easier to carry around and onto the roof.

As a sail-er it is great fun and can get a good distance offshore safely.  The Pro angler is just so bloody big it is limited as to where you can go.

I am planning that the trailer will be just for local city trips, so I can have it rigged up the night before and get away easily. I can also launch it at a boat ramp or across the beach.
Also on the trailer I can carry two or three kayaks for mates.

This is it on the camper.


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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 02:39:36 AM »
Hey campfire,
Posts about riles, and now kayaks. Your talking
My language, although I'm No good at fishing. I kayak for the great feeling of being out on the water day or night.

On subject of trailers for kayaks. I can't see the problem with it. If my kayak weighed 50kgs then I would put it on a trailer. I have been know to lash mine onto my 6x4 even though the bay is only 1 km from my house.  I don't like the salt and sand on my car.

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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 08:37:35 AM »
G day Harvs,

Using a trailer to keep salt and water off your car is a good strategy, what I was referring to was I wouldn't go out and a buy a boat trailer specifically just for a kayak. A box trailer on the other hand makes perfect sense because it's a multiple use purchase. I look at kayaks like they are light easy and portable without the disadvantages of a bigger boat you have to tow and use a launch ramp.

In my books and this goes with camper trailers, 4x4's, .22 rifles and kayaks, the best one out there is whatever your using, I'm more interested in the social aspect of seeing people get into the sports/ interests and using them, more than who has got what.

All kayaks are wheelie bins with cosmetic surgery, if it falls into the " it floats category" then it's the best model on the market.

It's smart to use a trailer if your yak is up in the weight abit, the last thing you would want is to have to give away the sport because of a back injury, so good call.

Kayaks are getting very high tech these days with lots of accessories etc making them a serious bit of play time.

What kind of kayak do you use

Straight shootin and happy paddling

Cheers

Campfire
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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2011, 07:51:12 PM »
Campfire,

I bought a second hand perception swing 400 based on what others said about it. I wanted a sot kayak that was efficient, stable for choppy port Philip bay waters. And rugged enough to pack on the CT. I can take my 6 yo In the back with no dramas. Like I said I have tried fishing of it with out much luck. Im pretty lucky as 4 of my mates in my area are also into it. Like you said, great to get out there and enjoy the sport and good company.

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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 09:19:28 PM »
Hey all.

Accidentally bought a kayak tonight (fleabay is dangerous when wifee is watching a tv show I don't follow!)

I have Pioneer Roof Platform. Anyone know the best tieing  down method to the platform to keep it secure and protect it.

Saw the pool noodle idea on another thread which was a good start...


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Re: Roof rack set up 4 loading/unloading kayaks
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 01:09:40 PM »
Here's what i've previously posted on how i load my Hobie Pro Angler 14.

I've got a 2010 Toyota Prado 150VX with a Tracklander 4WD roof rack. The height from ground to the back of the roof rack is about 2.1 metres. There are a number of videos on YouTube that show different devices that have been constructed to assist with loading a kayak onto the roof of a vehicle. I don't use anything. I've taken a number of pictures that show how i go about loading it onto the roof rack. Though i expect most of you will read this and think i'm trying to teach you to suck eggs, that's because I've written it as though i'm trying to explain it to someone who's got no experience in any of this.

I start by opening the rear door. On the Prado, the gas strut can be locked so it won't swing closed. I put the front of the PA onto the bumper and unload everything into the back of the car. The only things i leave in are the rods, in-hull plano boxes, and whatever is in the front storage bin. I dont' usually insert the locking pin in the top of the cart after i recover from the water, but unlocking that is something that could be done now. It's not a big deal. It just means the cart will fall away from the hull when it gets lifted high enough. Maybe not a good idea on a slope. If you don't unlock it, you can always do it after you've lifted the yak high enough for the wheels to leave the ground. It might be more difficult for those with shorter arms, but i don't have that problem.



Next step is to lift the bow up and place it on the rear of the roof rack. To do this i use the bow handle to manoeuvre the kayak so the rear skids are directly behind the middle of the car. They will act as the pivot point. The bow is positioned to the left side of the car near the rear wheel. You don't have to lift the bow very high before the skids touch the ground and provide some resistance. Ordinarily i'd squat and put the bow on my shoulder, then stand up. Today i had a busted knee so i had to do a two-hand lift to get it high enough to transition so my hands are under the bow. This is the point where the cart should fall away from the hull. Now the skids keep it from going anywhere and i can walk my hands down the hull so that the bow is high enough to clear the roof rack, then i simply step sideways behind the car and lower so that the bow is resting on the roof rack. If you hadn't removed the cart, this can be done now.




Now the yak is nicely lined up, and you can see the stern handle is clear of the ground with enough room to get your hands underneath. With both hands i lift to chest height and push forward. A good shove and a step forward are all that's needed to get enough momentum for it to slide far enough forward so that the bow sits on the front of the roof rack.

Making sure the hull is centred along the roof rack, just push it forward until you're happy with the position. For my roof rack, the sweet spot is where the mirage drive gap sits over the front bar of the roof rack. This keeps it from easily sliding forward. Just be mindful that when the hull is wet it slides easily, including sideways.




When you're happy, just use your ratchet straps to secure the kayak to the roof rack/car. I initially used a strap to tie the bow handle to the bull bar, and a strap to tie the rear strap to the tow bar. This worked well in keeping the bow and stern from shifting from side to side. Unfortunately the handles simply aren't built for these stresses and, though it didn't happen to me, it may result in damage to the handle and/or hull. Now i use the extra straps to wrap around the hull, locking away any lateral shift.



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