QLD Learner Drivers - Towing trailers??

[weeds]

Buggered if I can find any reference to say Learner Drivers cannot.......

I figure it's all about learning to drive and a good skill to have straight up.

[Bird]

I know down here and NSW you cant

[banksy69]

FROM A 

http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2013/03/25/leaner-l-driver-towing-a-trailer-or-caravan/

[weeds]

Thanks Banksy........I had the lad towing yesterday.....it was the final part of returning a tandem trailer, 60km/h zone through industrial estate.

[Hoyks]

I know down here and NSW you cant

I did in NSW, every Wednesday, towing the sailing boat to and from home school sport... don't tell anyone. What is the statute of limitations on that one??

You can in Qld, provided you have a L plate on the trailer too.

http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2013/03/25/leaner-l-driver-towing-a-trailer-or-caravan/

I can't find anything specific, apart from the advise above. I do recall from reading the legislation previously (yes, I have no life ) that you get a learner licence for the class that you are learning to operate. Therefore you are allowed to operate the vehicle in all its possible configurations while being supervised by a driver that is fully licenced for that class of vehicle.

I found this on the Qld transport site for a car licence. Note the note at the bottom:

C Car    Car   Moped  Tractor

    A motor vehicle (with or without a trailer), other than a motorcycle, that:
        has a maximum weight of 4.5 tonne (t) gross vehicle mass (GVM)
        is built or fitted to carry no more than 12 adults, including the driver.
    A moped—fitted with an electric motor or an internal combustion engine (with a maximum capacity of 50mL) with a maximum manufacturer’s top rated speed of 50km/h that is not a bicycle. If you are riding a moped on a car licence you must not carry a passenger
    A specially constructed vehicle with or without a trailer.

Note: A specially constructed vehicle may not be driven on a class C learner licence.
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/licensing/driver-licensing/types/#conditions

[Bird]

I think its a good thing to teach em

http://www.lsite.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Learners/what-you-need-to-know.html


"You can’t tow any other vehicles or trailers."





so... once again different states different rules.. can Cammo on his Ls tow in Qld?

ya know its funny... some people want licenses for people to tow trailers.. yet learners can tow a triaxle caravan 40ft long no problems.. LOL

[Bird]

http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-car-licence/frequently_asked_questions

south aussie
Can I tow a trailer, caravan or boat on my L's or P's?
 If your permit or licence was issued in South Australia, you may drive a vehicle of no more than 4.5 tonne and tow a trailer, caravan, boat or horse float as SA does not restrict learner's permit or provisional licence drivers from towing such vehicles. As your permit/licence conditions travel with you, this also applies if you drive interstate. However, be aware that the rules may be different if your licence was issued interstate (e.g. For example, learner's permits issued in Victoria restrict learner drivers from towing. For more information refer to our towing tips.

[Bird]

http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-car-licence/frequently_asked_questions

south aussie
Can I tow a trailer, caravan or boat on my L's or P's?
 If your permit or licence was issued in South Australia, you may drive a vehicle of no more than 4.5 tonne and tow a trailer, caravan, boat or horse float as SA does not restrict learner's permit or provisional licence drivers from towing such vehicles. As your permit/licence conditions travel with you, this also applies if you drive interstate. However, be aware that the rules may be different if your licence was issued interstate (e.g. For example, learner's permits issued in Victoria restrict learner drivers from towing. For more information refer to our towing tips.

WA you can tow on your Learners too
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/licensing/LBU_DL_FS_6Steps_English_remote.pdf

[GeoffA]

I think its a good thing to teach em

http://www.lsite.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Learners/what-you-need-to-know.html

so... once again different states different rules.. can Cammo on his Ls tow in Qld?

ya know its funny... some people want licenses for people to tow trailers.. yet learners can tow a triaxle caravan 40ft long no problems.. LOL

Yes, it's good that they be taught, but I'm not comfortable with fresh L-platers towing caravans.
Plenty of supposedly experienced drivers quickly find themselves in deep doo-doo.
Small trailers no probs.....

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Yes, it's good that they be taught, but I'm not comfortable with fresh L-platers towing caravans.
Plenty of supposedly experienced drivers quickly find themselves in deep doo-doo.
Small trailers no probs.....

There are plenty of duds out there with small trailers too!
And the havoc a small one can cause, when it comes loose, is not a pretty sight.

[GeoffA]

There are plenty of duds out there with small trailers too!
....

....like T-Vans??....

(to be clear, that was a joke Robert...)

[McTavish]

In this case the law has allowed some common sense to prevail - know your limits and learn as you go.   

But as soon as some lawyer works out there is a $ to be made they will target this too, then the licencing guys jump on board to provide a special licence then special training then suddenly the nanny state ratchet takes one more click.

My brother-in-law did a trip to the cape last year with his son (on L plates).  He chose the roads (long straight and no traffic to speak of) and the speed to travel on and taught his son how to handle the Patrol & Conqueror.   The young fella also helped pack the gear and learnt about weight distribution and the effects on handling especially under breaking, in an emergency (animal strike) and driving dirt roads.   That's how it should be done.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

....like T-Vans??....

(to be clear, that was a joke Robert...)

I was referring to an empty 6'x4' box trailer that came loose near Donald and caused ultimate grief. 
Another supposedly mature person, who knew all about what he was doing.
Was a while ago but I felt it was relevant.
I'm really glad they banned those Curly rod things on tow bars as a "safety?" connection.  (That shows my age a little bit.)

You only have to go down to the recycling centres and the rubbish tips to see what abilities people have.
Sometimes it's better than the circus for entertainment.

And McTavish is right, It's a skill.  Acquiring that Skill with guidance is a lot better than the suck it and see approach.
You learn quicker too.

[Bird]

Yes, it's good that they be taught, but I'm not comfortable with fresh L-platers towing caravans.
Plenty of supposedly experienced drivers quickly find themselves in deep doo-doo.
Small trailers no probs.....

Yep.. exactly what Im saying too.. I'd have no issue with Cammo towing our camper. Not that he has ever done it 

[tracker]

Buggered if I can find any reference to say Learner Drivers cannot.......

I figure it's all about learning to drive and a good skill to have straight up.

   Ya can in QLD

[#jonesy]

http://mylicence.sa.gov.au/my-car-licence/frequently_asked_questions

south aussie
Can I tow a trailer, caravan or boat on my L's or P's?
 If your permit or licence was issued in South Australia, you may drive a vehicle of no more than 4.5 tonne and tow a trailer, caravan, boat or horse float as SA does not restrict learner's permit or provisional licence drivers from towing such vehicles. As your permit/licence conditions travel with you, this also applies if you drive interstate. However, be aware that the rules may be different if your licence was issued interstate (e.g. For example, learner's permits issued in Victoria restrict learner drivers from towing. For more information refer to our towing tips.

This is not right, at least in Victoria.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/renew-replace-or-update/new-to-victoria/interstate-car-learner-drivers-using-victorian-roads


Learners can not tow even if they come from a state (eg SA) that allows it. They are right that the conditions that apply to their licence/permit follow them. A condition relates to a particular licence such as having to wear glasses. There are however restrictions that apply to a class of licence (or interstate equivalent) such as L plates.
Interstate equivalent gets a bit more complex when you talk red P plates.

also when. Victorian learner goes to SA it is probable that they may tow as again it is not a "condition" attached to the licence but a restriction to the whole category. I would have to see how the SA laws are written to confirm it.

General rule when travelling interstate is check with that state about their rules as your own states laws end at the border

[Bird]

This is not right, at least in Victoria.
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/licences/renew-replace-or-update/new-to-victoria/interstate-car-learner-drivers-using-victorian-roads


Learners can not tow even if they come from a state (eg SA) that allows it. They are right that the conditions that apply to their licence/permit follow them. A condition relates to a particular licence such as having to wear glasses. There are however restrictions that apply to a class of licence (or interstate equivalent) such as L plates.
Interstate equivalent gets a bit more complex when you talk red P plates.

also when. Victorian learner goes to SA it is probable that they may tow as again it is not a "condition" attached to the licence but a restriction to the whole category. I would have to see how the SA laws are written to confirm it.

General rule when travelling interstate is check with that state about their rules as your own states laws end at the border

So your a learner from SA heading through Victoria.. You wanna make sure you get it right... One Government website says you can, and one government website says you cant..

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

Ok, It's not Jonesy's fault here.
He's the messenger. 
And from how he's written it, I think I know who he works for.
Along with all the conditions that apply, a permit is just that, and may have similar conditions to those imposed on Licence holders.
It's not a Licence.

[Bird]

Ok, It's not Jonesy's fault here.

Agree. wasn't suggesting it was.

[#jonesy]

Bird no offence was taken when i first saw your post.  I knew exactly what you meant. 
After reading Robert's post, he may have taken the picture as being driected at me and not the Govt websites.

My best advice

General rule when travelling interstate is check with that state about their rules as your own states laws end at the border

This would apply to things like learner permits, Proabtionary drivers and some quirky registration issues such Club reg, Unregsitered Vehicle Permits and trailers. 

[deepop]

Bird no offence was taken when i first saw your post.  I knew exactly what you meant. 
After reading Robert's post, he may have taken the picture as being driected at me and not the Govt websites.

My best advice

General rule when travelling interstate is check with that state about their rules as your own states laws end at the border

This would apply to things like learner permits, Proabtionary drivers and some quirky registration issues such Club reg, Unregsitered Vehicle Permits and trailers.

And recreational registration.

[Rodt]

Bird no offence was taken when i first saw your post.  I knew exactly what you meant. 
After reading Robert's post, he may have taken the picture as being driected at me and not the Govt websites.

My best advice

General rule when travelling interstate is check with that state about their rules as your own states laws end at the border

This would apply to things like learner permits, Proabtionary drivers and some quirky registration issues such Club reg, Unregsitered Vehicle Permits and trailers.

Does this include speed limits and the like? As NSW restricts Learners to 90km we had the understanding that you must comply with the rules of the state that you are licensed in . Because of this understanding when we go to Qld my baby drives at 90km and doesn't drive with the camper hooked on

Where do you get a clear answer from???

Cheers

Rod

[#jonesy]

Rod I will only answe for Victoria. If you follow the link in my earlier post L can drive at the speed limit. (110 in places)

In Victoria we have "restrictions" that apply to everyone with that category. Eg L plate, experienced driver, no trailers etc.

We also have licence "conditions" that apply to a particular person. eg glasses, automatic. These often  relate to some sort of impairment

[Wazza999]

As far as I know for Ps you drive to the license conditions of the issuing jurisdiction, this used to apply to Ls as well but NSW changed this for Ls in about 2009 so interstates have to comply with NSW regs, perhaps this was a  national wide harmonisation? This is of course of particular interest in the ACT given the proximity of the state border.

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[Cruiser 105Tvan]

If you drive to the conditions/rules/roads of the state where you are travelling, normally no-one will be bothered to pull you over for a chat.

Easiest way to find out local rules etc. is call at a Newsagent and buy a guide to road law for Learner/Experienced drivers, for that State.
A quick read while you have a coffee an' a scroll/Sandwich/cake/doughnut and you should be good to go.  Or call at the local plod shop and have a chat.