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You forgot to add that a real 4wder would then post pics on myswag for others to criticize and argue the merits of the flame heat intensity, level of burning on the hand and then quote copious amounts of technical information from questionable sources about the 'dance' one does when their hand is on fire. Sooner or later a mod shuts the thread down because the pissing contest gets out of hand. Isn't that how it's done around these parts?Ps. Not directed at anyone here just getting a wee bit fed up of the tone of threads lately. Ok I'm off my soapbox now.