Perhaps you shouldn't forget to top up the the Adblue?

[prodigyrf]

Although that might depend on the make and model-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/companies/journalist-recounts-the-moment-a-new-ford-everest-suv-catches-fire-on-a-test-drive/story-fnkjkh00-1227632885607?sv=7bd1256a88c30340635a034411334d3c

[gronk]

Maybe they shouldn't have kept driving it with "issues" ?

Diesels with DPF's and adblue .....maybe it's time to go back to turbo buzz boxes ?

[Bird]

[rossm]

Maybe they shouldn't have kept driving it with "issues" ?

Diesels with DPF's and adblue .....maybe it's time to go back to turbo buzz boxes ?

When I had warning  light come on I drove to my garage, I did not pass go ...

This guy has had a succession of things go wrong and he has ignored them. And he is a motoring journalist.

That being said I hope this is not a major fault affecting Rangers and Everests. Both would be on my list for a new car.

[Foo]

Halfwits driving trucks have been putting water into the useless Adblue tank and then being hit with a $10,000 bill for a new burner, Halfwits!!!!! 

Foo

[prodigyrf]

Not necessarily the Adblue-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/companies/ford-ranger-ute-fires-emerge-days-after-ford-everest-test-drive-blaze/story-fnkjkh00-1227634282761

[gronk]

Typical manufacturer runaround. 4wd is under warranty, catches fire and they tell the owner to go through their own insurance company.
It's then deemed to be an at fault claim, they have to pay the excess and possibly a bigger premium next year.
Especially if it was a stock standard model, not hard to work out there was something wrong with the 4wd and it should have been covered under warranty ? And good luck proving it, although it should be on them to prove otherwise !

And the official reply, the owners of other Everests and Rangers have nothing to worry about ??  Get real !!

[Wrex]

Diesels with DPF's and adblue .....maybe it's time to go back to turbo buzz boxes ?

DPF issues made me sell my Pajero and go to a petrol powered 4wd. I have not looked back.

[Fizzie]

One thing gets me with the possibility that the Everest had run out of Adblue.

It's a brand new car that a journo is test driving - so it's come out of the factory with no / very little Adblue in it, or is Adblue something you've got to refill every 1000k?

From the article listed earlier:

There was a warning about the car needing Adblue otherwise the engine was going to shut down in 750km. - pity that you left Alice yesterday morning heading West & you're now slap bang in the middle of the GAFA!

Even though the Everest is designed in Australia, to me it's starting to sound a bit like space-saver spare tyres - may be a reasonable idea in built up countries where you're only ever 10k from help, but not much good here in Oz when you may be 1000k + away 

[alnjan]

And now they have announced the Ford Everest is Car of the Year

[rossm]

And now they have announced the Ford Everest is Car of the Year

"They" is of course only one media organisation and it is not the one driving the car when it caught fire.

In case anybody has forgotten the Leyland P76 was Wheels magazine's COTY back in the day.

[gronk]

In case anybody has forgotten the Leyland P76 was Wheels magazine's COTY back in the day.

Like a few cars, they don't fall apart when they're brand new !! 

[KingBilly]

From http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/royalauto/home/motoring/car/new-car-reviews/ford-everest-car-review-oct-15

Everest’s engine requires add-blue (a urea fuel additive that reduces exhaust emissions) or it automatically adopts reduced power settings to contain emissions.

And I have read, can't find the reference, that the adblue only needs to be topped up at each service.

KB

[prodigyrf]

Everest’s engine requires add-blue (a urea fuel additive that reduces exhaust emissions) or it automatically adopts reduced power settings to contain emissions.

And I have read, can't find the reference, that the adblue only needs to be topped up at each service.

KB

10,000 miles in an Audi apparently with plenty of warning abourt running out-
http://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/audiusa/Documents/Audi-2009-AdBlue-Informational-Brochure.pdf

So you'd reckon the test drive Everest had to be full but then he reported an Adblue warning. Supposedly the Adblue is injected after the DPF and into the exhaust before the Selective Catalytic Reducer largely for NOx emission control. It's regulated by the computer but what happens if it runs out? ie the level warning doesn't work and stop the motor as it should. Whatever, these diesel emission controls are starting to be problematic for manufacturers and owners alike  if VW emissions fudging is any indication here too.

As an aside here look at how Audi protect that Adblue filler. Clearly they don't want the average dude messing around with it and leave it all to the Dealer folks. 

[me217]

I work on trucks all day and they all have adblue and I can't see how running out could possibly cause a fire. As it doesn't offer any cooling. It's purely an emissions thing. If they run egr on the other hand that has the possibility as it forces the engine to breath it's own excrement. And creates alot of heat.

All seems like a load of crap to me.

[prodigyrf]

Seems like a load of crap to me too.
http://s04.static-shell.com/content/dam/shell-new/local/country/aus/downloads/pdf/adblue-cexp-brochure-online.pdf
Well if the car manufacturers will let you stick it in yourself without their special filler pack cum cartridges or whatever they're trying to value add with it will cost diesel owners another 5c/L of diesel by all accounts.
Then it only has a shelf life of 12 months and shouldn't be stored in direct sunlight or over 30 deg C and if you forget to fill it or the level warning goes on the blink and the exhaust sensors reckon there's too much NOx emissions you could damage the SCR so the magic computer decides you need to save the planet and start limping home. Makes me come over all nostalgic for the 2 stroke mobike days again. Still no doubt they'll get it right once a few pioneering punters have been the guinea pigs for it all and then the Greenies can throw a spanner in the works again.

[prodigyrf]

Speaking of Adblue VW owners should be happy their Veedubs avoided the need for piss in the tank but when there's ambulance chasers about and money to be had there's no stopping a feeding frenzy-
http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/class-action-against-volkswagen-australia-could-recoup-5-billion-20151101-gkof5l.html
and VW fudging software was always gunna stir up a hornet's nest-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/fuel-economy-and-pollution-ratings-for-new-cars-to-be-put-to-the-test-in-australia-for-the-first-time/story-fnjwq0cw-1227636414558
Yeah well we've all known lab tests are lab tests but how on earth are you going to compare cars with a road test. You could pick exactly the same test circuit or section of road to close off regularly but how on earth are they going to conjure up exactly the same weather conditions, wind, temp, humidity, etc before we get down to the same fuel sample and hopefully no stale piss in the diesel bottle. From the sublime to the ridiculous but there's no accounting for human hubris and trying to categorise and measure everything. Forgive those VW idiots Lord because they knew not what the bloody Hell they were stirring up 

[Brij]

From http://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/royalauto/home/motoring/car/new-car-reviews/ford-everest-car-review-oct-15

Everest’s engine requires add-blue (a urea fuel additive that reduces exhaust emissions) or it automatically adopts reduced power settings to contain emissions.

And I have read, can't find the reference, that the adblue only needs to be topped up at each service.

KB

Found an owners manual online the other day. It suggested a tank of urea will last 3 - 12000km.

Heavy vehicles typically use about 5% urea to diesel, but they are under load alot more than a light vehicle.

I wouldn't expect light vehicles to use any where near 5%.

Peter H

[prodigyrf]

Light vehicles simply use less diesel overall but I'd expect that average proportion of Adblue at 5% to remain the same across vehicles. Notice that advice about a tank lasting 3-12000km and you'd expect stop/start commuting to belt both diesel and Adblue, just like it makes DPFs need auto regen much sooner, as well as EGR valve and inlet manifolds clog sooner.

As far as diesels go the lad's MN Triton with Provent catch can and Tonys Mod will be his last and I have a hunch when he wants to trade or onsell it, there'll be more value in it than the troublesome oilers they're knocking out to meet Euro 5 and 6 emission standards now.  This new breed of domestic diesels (as distinct from commercial and heavy transport) are for nostalgics living in the past.

[me217]

heavy vehicle engines have more pollution gear then the current passenger vehicles. and yes they too have there issues with everything. but instead of it happening at 50,000kms its happening at 300,000kms. for example. because most heavy vehicles are doing big kilometers. ours are doing 200,000kms to 250,000kms per year. so when we trade them in, usually every 4 years, they are getting very close to the million. if your happened to drive a newer diesel car those sort of kms. (not that i can see anyone driving a car that far.) they would most likely do the same sort of kilometers. problem is they dont get hot enough(not working through every gear) which is what diesels love. and they don't stay hot enough for very long. to allow all the emission gear to do its job properly. (short trips to the shop spent mostly at idle)

[Redcherokee]

Then it only has a shelf life of 12 months and shouldn't be stored in direct sunlight or over 30 deg C

So I take it you can never use a vehicle that includes this additive in an Aussie summer. Or are you supposed to air condition the garage just to keep the truck below 30degrees?  What happens if you take it for a drive and the day heats up?  Do you suddenly void the warranty?  Does it metamorphose into pixies?  Or does the process of opening the bottle magically change it from needing to be under 30degrees to being fine at ambient 42 degrees? 

Makes no sense to me.