Can truma 2400 be installed and compliant in a jayco dove

[createit]

Quick question to the wise members on here.  My gas fitter is going to check with his gas contacts but is trying to decided if he installs my recently purchased truma 2400 if he can give me a compliance certificate or even complete the job.  The truma document says the external vent cannot be placed under any opening window or 300mm to the side of it without a trip switch installed on the window to shut the unit off if the window is open. Which is impossible on the jayco as we have windows 360 degrees around the camper, which are all zips. I have just found the legislation AS 5601 for victoria which states it must be greater than 500mm below a window opening which is perfect, as we anticipate it to be about 800mm below.

Has anyone installed these in a canvas topped camper jayco or similar and had a compliance certificate supplied?

[andrewc]

Yes, I had one installed and a gas certificate done on two occasions. Both times it was passed no problems. It was installed on a flamingo

[areyonga]

I have a gas TRUMA installed in my Goldstream Storm and no problems.

Trevor

[POD]

No. Not legal. I offer to buy the said illegal product. $150. No questions asked. None answered.

[createit]

Maybe for $250 POD.   Is the general consensus that as long as it is 50cm lower then it all passes?  Anyone know of what I point him to so that he is happy for the certificate.  It is the truma manual that states not to be installed under any windows that has thrown the spanner in the works.

[MDSimpson]

Jayco do install these as a std option, so they can be done.
I have seen the units in the cupboard under the sink in a Swan, which would be between the two side windows, so maybe that is the trick, have it installed between two windows...

[Sixtys Guy]

There is a difference between what is legal and what someone will fit for you! I think the fact that your gasfitter is studying this in depth is good. At the moment there are two Gas Installation Codes that are being applied, so it depends on what state the installation is being complianced as to which code that particular state is operating under. Therefore what is legal in one state is not necessarily legal in another. Having said that, if the installation manual specifies anything over and above the Australian Standard, then it must be followed.

[rags]

Gasfitting regulation can get confusing,yes AS5601 is the correct gas standard,AS5601.2:2010 is the most recent document relating to caravans and boats etc,problem is that this edition is not adopted yet in many state as it requires a change to govt Acts,so not sure if Vic is on the prev edition or the current 2010 version, NSW is still on the old but is very near to adopting this new code along with the new requirements with Fairtrading becoming the regulator. As stated in a previous post there is a difference between what is legal and what some  gasfitters will provide a compliance certificate for.The current 2010 code has a requirement that flue shall not terminate within  300mm of a window,vent,opening etc and the reference to a switch on a window is no longer in this code . Gas appliances shall be installed to manufacturers instructions and clause 6.4 states that when there is a conflict between the manufacturers instructions and the standard,the the matter should be referred to the technical regulator for a ruling. You may guess that my  expertise is in  the gas and plumbing industry and   if i was asked to install a heater into a jayco camper i would not have any problems as the airflow in a canvas top camper would far exceed any  requirement of section 7 of the code which is full of rulings and calculations  relating to ventilation of a compartment where an appliance is used, and you aren't going to use it with the windows open as it would be too cold!

[createit]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the replies.  Will let you know how I go,  but believe that it would be as safe as anywhere and should comply fully.  Now to find someone to fit it in the northern suburbs of Melbourne.   Guessing that it will be after Easter now.

[Sixtys Guy]

if i was asked to install a heater into a jayco camper i would not have any problems as the airflow in a canvas top camper would far exceed any  requirement of section 7 of the code which is full of rulings and calculations  relating to ventilation of a compartment where an appliance is used, and you aren't going to use it with the windows open as it would be too cold!

Any heater other than room sealed (like the Truma) are illegal in a caravan (or camper). The ventilation requirements are irrelevant in respect to the heater as it is room sealed.

In my experience the Technical Regulator will err on the side of caution and say that the more stringent requirement of either the installation manual or the AS5601 will apply. Jayco's are usually a problem for Gasfitters as during manufacting they appear to have little regard for the regulations in AS5601 anyway!

The new AS5601 coming out in 2014. NSW and Vic still going by 2004 code as the 2010 code has several problems with it.

[rags]

Unaware of the 2014 code being released but am aware of the released amendments to 2010 version ,NSW has not adopted the current  code yet for one reason only ,and that is because  the  most recent gasfitting Act that prescribed  NSW fair trading as the regulator called up the previous version,and will require a change/updated Act and subsquent Regulation  to be drafted then passed by Parliment.Although not involved in the gas side of regulation [yet] i have a lot to do with new Plumbing regulations here in NSW ,and do sit on the same floor as the Gas team.
The ventilation requirements are not irrelevent in regards to gas heaters and actually play an important part in sizing the appliance for its purpose.Also the regulator will usually er on the side of caution and go with manufacturers instruction if they call for additional requirements ,as these requirements can be why they may have gained their AGA approval for gas or watermark in plumbing,but the regulator can only enforce what is called up in the standards.

[Sixtys Guy]

The ventilation requirements are not irrelevent in regards to gas heaters and actually play an important part in sizing the appliance for its purpose.

Yes, but section 7 does not refer to sizing of the area for heating, it refers to ventilation for safety purposes. This does not apply to a room sealed appliance, therefore it is irrelevant in the example in your original post. Section 7 would apply to a heater other than room sealed except a heater other than a room sealed type is illegal anway as is a bayonet point for that matter.

I wasn't aware of the specifics as to why NSW have not adopted the 2010 edition of AS5601. I assumed it was as the same as Victoria where it has been rejected as there are too many incorrect and ambiguous rules. The new code was scheduled to be released this year, but I'm fairly sure that it is looking more likely for 2014.

[Sixtys Guy]

Sorry to the OP for the hijack  ........

Back to the original question....... I read the Truma installation instructions and they are ambiguous. I can see why your Gasfitter is confused.  It says not to install under a window and the next sentence says to refer to AS5601 for the requirements of a flue location (which say you can as long as it is not within 150mm below. If I were him I would seek the advice of the Technical Regulator. If they say no, then point out to them that Jayco are doing it from the factory anyway.