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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2011, 06:41:02 PM »
No it doesn't.  Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm


It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!

My father also believed in a warning, then a bloody good floggin'. Most of the time, the warning was enough ;)
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2011, 10:38:40 AM »
MICHAEL DAFFERN, AUST. PSYCHOLOGICAL SOCIETY: What we can say here is that exposing individuals to a punitive or abusive environment or any sort of abusive treatment where they're exposed to violence from an early age, where they learn that violence is an acceptable way of solving problems is going to be problematic and it's only going to help them learn or consolidate a violent repertoire.

This is not new information and the reason why there is a strong argument to ban smacking.    Using violence as a means of control teaches that violence is a means of control.
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2011, 10:46:45 AM »
It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!

You obviously didn't read it properly, and since when does the ABC compete for ratings?
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2011, 11:08:29 AM »
This is not new information and the reason why there is a strong argument to ban smacking. Using violence as a means of control teaches that violence is a means of control.

I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2011, 11:20:35 AM »
I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2011, 11:34:09 AM »
I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
The whole point is that it's sub-conscious.   Striking someone IS violence.
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2011, 12:31:56 PM »
Ok, Here's my thoughts on this.
As a child I received the strap, a smack and other means of punishment for my behavior.
As a parent I have done the same with my kids.
What I haven't done is used these methods while I was angry, I have not lashed out whilst in a rage.
Some kids don't need a smack, others do, sometimes a quiet word is enough or time out other times the child needs to be snapped out of their unwillingness to listen to reason. Some will say kids don't know reason, oh, yes they do.
For a few years now, the happy clappers & the Government have told us how to deal with our children, how we aren't allowed to do this or that. it will lower their self esteem Now we have a generation of kids that have no respect for anyone or anything and the world tells us we have been bad parents.
Now on the other side of raising a child, I encourage and praise my kids at every chance I can, but I also tell them when they have screwed up and I'm disappointed in them, life is not all lardy dardy and perfect.
How the hell are they going to cope with the real world when older if they have never been told the word NO, or You have screwed up?
Life is full of rules and disappointments and the earlier kids under stand how it works the better chance they will have of making it through life.
I see parents that are even too afraid to raise their voice to they kids for fear of being labeled a bad parent.
Well, these days I only have to look my kids in the eye without raising my voice for them to know I'm not putting up with their misbehavior or attitude, it's not through fear of violence, they know I'm not happy and they will loose privileges or they wont be involved in family activities.
I believe I'm doing a pretty good job of raising my kids, just as my parents had with my brother & sister and myself.
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2011, 08:54:33 PM »

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It's amazing how some put across their point of view - the ABC had an agenda, & researched, filmed & edited to put across a story they'd hope would gain ratings.
I've known a few 'lads' in my time that came from 'spoil & nuture the child' type homes, who would be equal to, or worse than the likes of some of them names mentioned in that ABC link!

You obviously didn't read it properly, and since when does the ABC compete for ratings?

When I wrote "It's amazing how some put across their point of view", I was referring to the ABC, & not you Symon (I could see how it may look like I meant you ;)  )

Yes, you're right, ABC doesn't compete for ratings per se, & my apologies for mis-leading. But they must perform/secure ratings for shows, or the show (if a series) will be axed, the Journalist's, Producers, Reserchers etc would not hold a job for very long if their Investigative/Documentry show/storie(s) didn't hold peoples attention.
Any Gov dept that don't 'perform', loses money, & we all know when money is taken from areas, Management start head-chopping.

As for not reading it properly, again you're right. I got to some of the names, read the gist of the story & thought to myself...same rubbish I've read & heard ad nauseam.
Why were these people in there in the 1st place? certainly not because they were angels. I don't have the stats, but I would put good money on it being some - if not a large portion - were already well & truly on their way to being 'career criminals'. In fact, from that ABC article "Those who badly misbehaved or tried to escape were packed off to Tamworth to be strictly disciplined".
Not those who were good, or just a bit naughty, not even just misbehaved, but "badly"

But you know, Tamworth wasn't the only place of it's ilk. Burnside (Pennant Hills) was just as notorious, just didn't have so many 'big name' types coming out of it I guess.
And not all entered these places as delinquents either, some simply had the misfortune of being born to someone who didn't want them, nor any other 'family' wanting them. They were all treated badly irrespective of why they lived (sic) there, no one will ever get an argument from me saying they weren't. What I will argue is, claims that majority of people severly punished continously - & that's the direction you sent it when others were talking about simple belting/smacks for misbehaving - will turn out violent mungrols. As I wrote previously, I've known blokes who've come from Brady Bunch type homes, who've grown to be extremly violent. I also know blokes who've been bought up with violence, who're now pillars of society.
My belief? Some can be trained to be violent, others can be nutured...it's all in the idividuals makeup & which path they wish to take.

Anyways, the OP was meant as some light humour based on nostalgia, & I've made the mistake of seeing red...I let my emotions rule my head  :-[
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Re: Tell your kids how Brave you were ....
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2011, 11:23:44 PM »
No it doesn't.  Want proof? - http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3391221.htm
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Symon, I think this would be more the result of not having a caring father and mother raising them.



Ok, Here's my thoughts on this.
As a child I received the strap, a smack and other means of punishment for my behavior.
As a parent I have done the same with my kids.
What I haven't done is used these methods while I was angry, I have not lashed out whilst in a rage.
Some kids don't need a smack, others do, sometimes a quiet word is enough or time out other times the child needs to be snapped out of their unwillingness to listen to reason. Some will say kids don't know reason, oh, yes they do.
For a few years now, the happy clappers & the Government have told us how to deal with our children, how we aren't allowed to do this or that. it will lower their self esteem Now we have a generation of kids that have no respect for anyone or anything and the world tells us we have been bad parents.
Now on the other side of raising a child, I encourage and praise my kids at every chance I can, but I also tell them when they have screwed up and I'm disappointed in them, life is not all lardy dardy and perfect.
How the hell are they going to cope with the real world when older if they have never been told the word NO, or You have screwed up?
Life is full of rules and disappointments and the earlier kids under stand how it works the better chance they will have of making it through life.
I see parents that are even too afraid to raise their voice to they kids for fear of being labeled a bad parent.
Well, these days I only have to look my kids in the eye without raising my voice for them to know I'm not putting up with their misbehavior or attitude, it's not through fear of violence, they know I'm not happy and they will loose privileges or they wont be involved in family activities.
I believe I'm doing a pretty good job of raising my kids, just as my parents had with my brother & sister and myself.
 :cheers:




Very well said.!



I haven't made up my mind on this however I see a big difference between smacking and violence. I was smacked, strapped, wooden spooned when I was a kid and I don't connect that punishment with violence.
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